Is a Hot Dog a Sandwich?

[polysmut]

'If I had a sandwich, and cut it in half, I would have two sandwiches'

He was right about that though.

 

[UKMikey]

So if I fold a pizza slice does it become a sandwich then?
Also, are tacos sandwiches?

Neither of those have any bread in so no.

[8 YEAR EDIT] Oops... missed @Danoff's post about ice cream sandwiches. I was wrrruhhh... not correct.

 

[dylansan]

Is this a hotdog?

 

[TenEightyOne]

So if I fold a pizza slice does it become a sandwich then?

It's already a sandwich, simply an "open" sandwich or smorgasbord. I think we did this already

 

[polysmut]

I've just voted Yes. I think a hot dog is a sandwich.

 

[SeldonCrisis]

He was right - the definition of sandwich does not imply a border or the quantity of items therein. Halve a sandwich and you have two sandwiches.

I disagree. A pizza does not imply a border or the quantity of items within, in the same way as a sandwich, but if it's cut into 8 slices it isn't 8 pizzas.

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

I mean, of all the things to post a thread about...

 

[Pupik]

Yeah, sure...as long as we are in agreement that sandwiches cannot have ketchup.

I mean, of all the things to post a thread about...

This is like the good old days of The Rumble Strip.

I used to work in a technical support contact centre. It was a pretty terrible job. How many times can one tell someone to 'turn it off and on again' without getting bored, right?! On this particular day there had been a visitor on site, so there was some spare office sandwiches. We ended up discussing the sandwich at great length. One of my team mates uttered one of the most incredulous things I have ever heard.
'If I had a sandwich, and cut it in half, I would have two sandwiches'
There was not an ounce of sarcasm or whimsy in his voice. This man was serious!
After a good few (many) minutes explaining to him why he was wrong, he decided to give me a playful 'punch' in the shoulder and I saw red. I swore loudly and punched him in the face, cutting him under his left eye.
I was instantly put on suspension and asked to leave the office, as was my foil. Except he didn't have his wallet, so I had to lend him a tenner to get the train home.
If you ask around, the story varies from us having a full on ufc style dust up to a slightly exaggerated version of the real events, depending on which trainer has used it as an example of 'how not to resolve workplace conflict'.
Anyway, I got the sack.
I think a hotdog is a sandwich and if any of you think otherwise, put 'em up!

Violence is the last resort of lost condiments.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I disagree. A pizza does not imply a border or the quantity of items within, in the same way as a sandwich, but if it's cut into 8 slices it isn't 8 pizzas.

But a pizza is normally of a fixed shape and therefore only separable in certain ways. Each portion is identifiable as a part of the whole. Pizza inherits definitions of sandwich but not vice-versa. Half a sandwich is still a whole sandwich, half a pizza is always half a pizza.

 

[polysmut]

half a pizza is always half a pizza.

Half a pizza is only half a pizza for a short while.
It becomes 3/8ths of a pizza very quickly in my experience.

 

[1241Penguin]

This is why I love GTPlanet.

 

[girabyt3]

Enough said!!

 

[daan]

Lets go for the full Oxford English Dictionary meaning.

Pronunciation:
Etymology: Said to be named after John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich... (Show More)

An article of food for a light meal or snack, composed of two thin slices of bread, usu. buttered, with a savoury (orig. spec. meat, esp. beef or ham) or other filling. Freq. with specifying word prefixed indicating contents, as ham sandwich, egg sandwich, watercress sandwich, peanut butter sandwich (see peanut butter n.), or form, as club sandwich (seeclub n. Compounds 3), Dagwood sandwich, Denver sandwich, hero sandwich (see heron. Compounds 4), poor boy sandwich (see poor boy n.), submarine sandwich (see submarine n.). Occas. with only one slice of bread, as in open sandwich or open-faced sandwich (see open-face adj. 2), or with biscuits, sliced buns, or cake.

Note the sliced buns part.

 

[justin credible]

I voted no.
I believe a sandwich has to be two slices of bread with your filling/s in the centre a hot dog is one roll of bread and before you ask if you get one slice of bread half fill it then fold it over is it a sandwich?
No it is isn't it is an idle snack. Or half a sandwich which doesn't qualify as a sandwich in my book.
I am biased as I don't like hotdogs to much bread and not enough filling, 💡 Someone dig out the bread and put in a lot more filling see if it sells. Why am I discussing this

 

[polysmut]

Lets go for the full Oxford English Dictionary meaning.



Note the sliced buns part.

Does the bun need to be sliced right through or does the partial slit we usually see count as sliced?

Edit:

I am biased as I don't like hotdogs to much bread and not enough filling, 💡 Someone dig out the bread and put in a lot more filling see if it sells.

My first experience of Rollover hot dogs was like that, it was years ago at London Road/Peterborough United Football Club. They punched an opening into a piece of proper baguette, like you would get from a bakery & inserted the sausage (tee hee). There was an incredibly dense lump of bread at the end where there was compression from the hole punching action but it was still good(ish) bread.
I've had Rollovers since & they've been nothing like that & truly dreadful.

 

[AOS-]

I mean, of all the things to post a thread about...

This thread is blowing up with activity.

People are fairly engaged with the subject.

The topic is seemingly trivial, but also very amusing and fun.

What a time to be alive and posting on GTP.

 

[el fayce]

Neither of those have any bread in so no.

I'm fairly certain that bread is needed in order to make pizza.

 

[Com Fox]

debunked (ice cream sandwich, no bread):

Also debunked (meatball sub sandwich, one piece of bread):

Also debunked (this is a half sandwich made out of one piece of bread):

I wouldn't say they are true sandwiches and only sandwiches by name-sake.

 

[Danoff]

I wouldn't say they are true sandwiches and only sandwiches by name-sake.

It's a substance sandwiching another substance. I call that a sandwich. This, for example, is a sandwich:

 

[opelgt1969]

And if you want a ham dog do it this way:
http://www.kitchenniche.ca/ham-dogger-p-3423.html?currency=USD

 

[kolio]

Does the bun need to be sliced right through or does the partial slit we usually see count as sliced?

The term "sliced" is not specific enough to identify that. Some definitions say to divide into seprate pieces. Technically the bun stays in one piece, yet it is definitely divided.

 

[W3H5]

Is Nutella on bread a cake?

 

[Joel]

Also, are tacos sandwiches?

Yes. Taco shells are just fried corn tortillas. Corn or wheat tortillas are unleavened bread, and there's nothing about sandwiches that requires leavened bread, so tacos, burritos, and the like are all sandwiches.

 

[UKMikey]

I'm fairly certain that bread is needed in order to make pizza.

You mean the pizza base? It's made from dough but it's no closer to bread than a doughnut would be.

 

[Grayfox]

You mean the pizza base? It's made from dough but it's no closer to bread than a doughnut would be.

You could even make a pizza using pancakes.

Pancakes are nice, pizza is nice.

Doesnt have to be the typical toppings.

 

[Danoff]

You mean the pizza base? It's made from dough but it's no closer to bread than a doughnut would be.

Ok now... that's two separate threads. "Is pizza dough bread?" and "is a doughnut bread?". Don't muddy the waters here.

BTW this doughnut is a sandwich:

Also these are sandwiches, starting from one most will recognize as one to one least likely to be recognized as one.

 

[UKMikey]

^I'm not muddying the waters. It's essential to determine whether pizza dough is bread in order to classify it as a sandwich or not.

I'm a bit sceptical on the first and last of the four pictures posted. The fourth at least has bread in although nothing has been split.

You could even make a pizza using pancakes.

Pancakes are nice, pizza is nice.

Doesnt have to be the typical toppings.

I don't think a pancake pizza qualifies as a sandwich any more than a pizza dough base one does.

 

[Danoff]

I'm a bit sceptical on the first and last of the four pictures posted. The fourth at least has bread in although nothing has been split.

Ok but bread is not required - recall the ice cream sandwich. Are you saying that a croissant stuffed with meats and cheeses and baked such that the meat and cheese is entirely inside a pocket with not splits becomes a sandwich as you eat it and split the sides?

So you have an open faced sub for example, and take a bite out of the wrong side, now it's split on both sides and suddenly you turned it into a sandwich while eating it? That's just silly. Silliness has no place in a serious topic like this.

 

[UKMikey]

Ok but bread is not required - recall the ice cream sandwich. Are you saying that a croissant stuffed with meats and cheeses and baked such that the meat and cheese is entirely inside a pocket with not splits becomes a sandwich as you eat it and split the sides?

So you have an open faced sub for example, and take a bite out of the wrong side, now it's split on both sides and suddenly you turned it into a sandwich while eating it? That's just silly. Silliness has no place in a serious topic like this.

I think it's more to do with how the food is prepared than what happens to it while being eaten otherwise a regular sandwich would become several sandwiches as you bite into it and chew it in your mouth.

I'm going with the wiki explanation of "ice cream sandwich" being a style of ice cream whose name derives from the act of sandwiching ice cream between wafers rather than the "anything sandwiched between slices of wafer is now a sandwich. Enjoy" explanation. I'm not laying down the law but to say that bread is irrelevant in the traditional sandwich is what sounds silly to me.

Here is an article referring to a Boston ruling requiring bread to be included in a sandwich. Personally I'd change the "two pieces" requirement to two layers of bread but that would exclude openface sandwiches so could be problematic. Not proof of anything but evidence of how the language has evolved.

 

[Danoff]

I think it's more to do with how the food is prepared otherwise a regular sandwich would become several sandwiches as you bite into it and chew it in your mouth.

I'm going with the wiki explanation of "ice cream sandwich" being a style of ice cream whose name derives from the act of sandwiching ice cream between wafers rather than the "anything sandwiched between slices of wafer is now a sandwich. Enjoy" explanation. I'm not laying down the law but to say that bread is irrelevant in the traditional sandwich is what sounds silly to me.

Here are 15 examples of sandwiches with no bread:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/ailbhemalo...ead-sandwiches?utm_term=.nrzb9x3Q4#.wwZkDa6m9

Here are 13 more:

http://www.minq.com/food/19649/13-ways-to-make-your-favorite-sandwiches-without-using-bread/#page=1

The lists go on and on. Of course I think you're wrong to classify the ice cream sandwich as not a sandwich - given that it's ice cream sandwiched. I also think the dude holding the sandwich board is a sandwich.

You can define only a "traditional" sandwich as a sandwich, but you'd be ignoring over a century of common usage. Once sandwich became a verb, anything resulting from the verb can be nounified from the verb. So although a sandwich originally was meat and bread (as apparently coined by Mr. Sandwich), once "to sandwich" referred to everything under the sun which has been smooshed between anything else, you can then referred to anything which has been "sandwiched" correctly as a "sandwich" referring to the verb.