Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?

[Stevisiov]

I think a lot of peoples dismantlement is born from expectation and waiting. I never got my hopes up too much. If you look at the game pragmatically, it brings a lot of things to the table, which suggest it could be the best game on the market. In which case, how can you be disappointed with that.

 

[highlightshadow]

I really didn't want to be disappointed but i can't help it ...

Its just not what it should be from 5+ years of concerted effort.

Shadows look horrendous and seem to flicker all the time
AI is STILL a joke and unforgivable after 5 iterations of the game
A-spec is too limited
Licensing being made moot for levelling is pointless

Plus most of the other complaints being levelled...

Its just ridiculous that we're here again pointing out the SAME flaws in this game as have been present in most of the others....

I hope some of these can and will be fixed in patches but i fear they won't

 

[jabofu]

Whats wrong with people? You guys have forgot what we really liked about all the previous GT games. if you dont like GT. Then go away and stop whining and complaining. GT5 is way better than GT4 and the previous ones. And it still got its charm and the awesomeness of gameplay.

Freaking forza noobs...........

We like GT5, but when nothing much changed after so many years, you have understand that even the hard GT fans are a bit disapointed. Graphics are not much better than Prologue and there is a big lack on tuning and customization. Physics, graphics and all other features there are, are quite good and highly enjoyable. But it feels outdated by 1-2 years and the only really new thing is the online multiplayer and its functions.

I am quite disapointed with several things and was shocked by the graphics, but i still like the game alot.

Saying that everybody that plays Forza Motorsport is a noob is very childish and stupid. Forza Motorsport 3 is actually the more complete game right now. Both are the best in their genre and right now you cant say which one is better.

PD should have made a GT 4 HD version for PS3 first and then creating a GT5 with only premiums and better customization.

 

[4everdelayed]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Stupidest comment ever. you cant compare those games to GT. it doesnt go that way.

GT5 is for people that have a passion and love for cars. and race them etc. nothing like yeah lets crash all cars and laugh about it. then you got it so wrong. GT series is a serious game........

This is exactly the kind of attitude we don't need. You're just being a snob now.

Do you think it's serious when a series in expert level has stock Opel Vectras (from the 90's) and Citroen C5 as opponents?

You should also consider the fact those games have a larger development team.

If that's the case, then we can safely say that we just got ****ed in the ass by PD.

They sold millions of copies of previous Gran Turismos so they know GT5 is going to sell well too. So they thought "why the hell invest millions and do something good if it's going to sell well anyway?".

 

[boxox]

Codies and SMS are not giant studios by any stretch. If you want to throw EA in there for Shift you are left with the slightly awkward concept of having to include Sony for GT5.

 

[andy63]

Really? Explain your point then please.

My point is (and also the games you mentioned) that they are made straight for the fun factor. GT5 isnt made only to be fun. It is extremely fun for me.

So why not for anyone else? Its becuse i might have more love for cars and the games than people that need all possible features to even enjoy the game.

I would say people are way to spoiled with stupid features and now they want them in every game. It just sounds stupid.

For example forza series is like lets paint, and do all crazy stuff. While GT is more realistic and also more enjoyable for others that might not like forza. I like other games than GT too. But they are made just to have fun.
Not to give you a challenge. like GT.

 

[4everdelayed]

I would say people are way to spoiled with stupid features and now they want them in every game.

See, this is just another way of saying that there are better products out there.

While Forza is more arcade oriented, it has a much better content. This isn't even debatable.

edit: oh and in me previous post I mentioned the C5. It's not the current generation of course....it's the old one. BUT HOLD ON it's a serious game so racing against cars that everyone tried to forget is a joy only REAL enthusiasts will understand.

 

[IceZ]

I have been a GT player since the original on ps1. I tried to be a loyal GT fan...i really did. But when this game was in year 3 of development i decided to try forza 2..."Wow pretty good game it will hold me over till GT5." When GT5 was still in development "o look forza 3"...."wow really good polished game, but GT5 will be better". I guess its time to stop lying to myself. Forza 3 blows GT5 away.

The menu system doesn't work (I spend more time navigating menus than I do racing)
The upgrade/tuning system is missing parts (I can add a level 3 turbo but I must use stock brakes?)
The special event and license tests are a joke(I'd like to see the f1 or nascar race where you get black flagged for touching another car)
There is no penalty for cutting corners (I completely botched the last corner at Circuit de La Sarte only to find there was no penalty and I could just cut right across it everytime)
The random used car system...
The A-spec mode looks to be really short

Actually now looking back lets see....They charged for prologue, they charged for this, they will charge for DLC. I guess PD realizes why make a perfect game when you can make more money by making a mediocre and releasing DLC. I just want to know what the hell they did for 6 years?

 

[persiano_dubai]

The main thing that is making me feel bad about this game is the CLUTCH !!!! I sure hope they fix this ... when have u shifted gears without clutch or touched the gas at the same time and the car stalls ???? I have driven M/T for 8 yrs now and have never seen this happen, sure a bit of grinding noises and miss shifts happen but car does not go to Neutral position ! this is a huge issue for me ... makes me wonder about my decision about buying the signature edition !

 

[CarBastard]

I haven't received my game yet (Long story made short: I'm waiting for someone to bring my already shipped CE from L.A to where I live) but some of the stuff people are saying in this forums is really worrying me. I'm beggining to be disappointed prior to even playing the game. I'll have to wait and see if you guys are right, and we'll have to see if PD delivers some patches to fix the game.

However, I can help feeling let down by some little stuff:

*Standard cars? PS2 Ports of some cars that never really mattered to anyone that shouldn't be in the game and PS2/PSP Ports of some cars that are important to almost everybody that should be premium quality but were left without improved graphics, damage, cockpit view, and photomode.
*Not being able to win again prize cars? GT has always been about grinding, and I've had no problem with that. Do championship/race, win cash cow, sell cash cow, rinse and repeat. Remove the cash cow beat and you'll end up having a tremendously long wait for the car of your dreams.
*Customization? A ridiculous way to implement a fun and feature. Racing modifications are for only 17 cars out of 1000, you can't upgrade brakes (utterly ilogical, contrary to what a mod said, brakes DO help you brake better), rims can only be changed on premiums, paint is a reall pain in the 🤬 since you have to get "tickets" and can only use a colour item once, as far as I've heard individual gear ratios can't be set, body modifications aren't available for all cars. Did I missed something? Come on, even a sub-par rubbish game like NFS can do this right, why not my beloved GT?
*Weather? So adding weather changes to four tracks counts as a whole new revolutionary feature?

As I said, I'll have to wait to give the game a try by myself (I still want it badly, and I get mad everytime I see a GT5 commercial and realize I don't have it yet ) but so far this little topics I've come across in this forum are really a clue to what PD has been doing for 6 years...not as much as they promised apparently. Still, I'll play the hell out of the game and will praise it for being my favourite racing franchise but...

 

[Big Ron]

Now, I am at a point to say, that GT5 disappoints me a bit. The AI is still the badest in video game history, there is not chance to get a bit race feeling in events. Either you get distance in front by dozen of seconds or crashing through the dumb AI.

Second point is the not existing (physically) damage. Even at lvl 22 there is no chance to get a comprehensible damage. You can crash, hit and jump were ever you want and still finish the race. A point, where Kaz said way too much, or even give us this feature at the end of the game (when it is far too late)

 

[jabofu]

See, this is just another way of saying that there are better products out there.

While Forza is more arcade oriented, it has a much better content. This isn't even debatable.

So this is what the Chinese government tells their people who see how it works in other countries. More holiday days, fair payoff, social insurances, strikes, good air.

The Chinese government say: "Meh, you dont need that."

There are features in Forza which would enrich GT a lot. But sorry, GT is not about FUN, its about driving 1000 times the sunday cup to get this or that car. Be able to do race liveries, when you do some league racing or redoo your favourite race car from rl, is something thats missing.

 

[southslider51]

See, this is just another way of saying that there are better products out there.

While Forza is more arcade oriented, it has a much better content. This isn't even debatable.

Comparing Forza to GT:Forza is a cool game,but and this a a big one,have you played Forza with a Wheel? I have and IT SUCKS! no feeling or real feedback whatsoever! The thing thats not debatable is the FACT that GT is miles no lightyears ahead of Forza in terms of Simulation. Forza for fast and furious racers,GT for Real racers. That's how i see it.

 

[Senna52]

Will everyone please stop saying that this has been 6 years in development. GT4 came out a a little more than 5 years ago. Also, they were told by Sony that GTPSP was a priority and I am sure quite a bit of man hours were spent on that, along with getting Prologue out for us to have something to tide us over. I am not disappointed, there are things I would like to be better, but I love it none the less and I enjoy it greatly. Not to mention they have a much smaller dev team.

 

[nicky215]

the used car system is crap - after playing for hours every day since it came out i still cant find a pre '79 japanese cars

not enough a-spec races

b-spec needs to be speeded up and you should be able to give more than 4 instructions to the driver

arcade mode should have all tracks available

there are way too many cars - there about 10 yaris's and loads of skylines. id rather see about 400 all premium cars

some of the cars are too expensive. 15million for a miura is insane

the top gear test track needs to be changed, so that you can race it in the same vein as its done on the show

some serious graphics glitches when there is a ghost car, especially with snow/rain/dust/smoke

I WANT TO CHANGE MY BRAKES!!!!!!!!!!!

every used car needs an oil change as soon as you buy it

the cars you win from completing a-spec races are stupid, sometime you get given the same car youve just raced with, yet worse. you should get the option to get the monetrary value of the car instead

on some races it seems like AI want to crash into you, sort of acceptable of some of the origional need for speeds, but on the "real driving simulator" that gt5 calls itself is stupid. nobody races and tried to crash into eachother in real life.


EDIT - dont get me wrong, i still love the game. but i do think after 6 years that some of these issues can be adressed very easily

 

[barryl85]

I actually think they should take out the standard cars then give us loads of premium cars via DLC

Cannot believe how utter garbage they look

 

[bevo]

I only have 2 problems with GT5. My first one is the use of the clutch. It drives me nuts how sensitive it is for giving me a mis shift.

The second thing is really bad for me. I hate how there is no PP or rating for the cars. The races are just ruined. I don't want to have to keep going and adding this and that to my car for each race to make it competitive. I don't want to just go in and build up my car to smoke the competition. I want a competitive race everytime.
Why wouldn't they make it so you knew how good the cars you were about to race against are and you can make your car the same.

I loved trying to get the highest PP(I think that's what it was called in GT4) score I could at the end of each race. If it wasn't at least 150 I would take something off my car and do it over. The score I always shot for was over 200. It is no fun at all just lapping everyone every race, but it's not worth stopping each race to go back to the tunning shop to try and tweak the car just enough to where you don't blow the doors off all the AI cars.

It looks like online is going to be the only decent place to race, and it's going to be hard for me to build up any money to buy the cars I will need for an online league. I don't want to just go through the motions of unlocking cars through boring races. I want to fell like I earned the money by beating cars that have a chance to beat me.

Please give us a ranking system of the cars for people who actually want to have competitve races.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Disappointed, very much so. Do I like the game though? Oh hell yes.

 

[Mainspring]

call me a purest or whatever but I don't want to swap engines/trannys on my car.
I certainly don't want to mod my car to look like a tv car.(unless I'm buying a TV car from the get go with all original parts)

I love cars for what they are and appreciate them as they are.
I respect the manufacturer and their history.
I respect the racing pedigree(if the company has one).
I respect the design that went into the said car and it's performance from that design.

If I buy a Ferrari, I want it to be a Ferrari.

don't want to start engine swapping, put on some gawd awful body kit, bling rims, turn my RWD to AWD, ect.

what you end up with is nothing but an abomination. it's not a real car.

don't want to race in a cartoon car. no thanks.

don't get me wrong, I don't mind minor performance upgrades, minor tweeks, but what I'm saying is I don't want to mod it to a point that it's no longer car in question.

give me realistic(or as realistic as possible for a console game) physics and feel over "bling my ride" feature.

 

[Bogie 19th]

Give me both.

 

[VXR]

Considering engine swaps have made some incredible new vehicles, it's far too narrow minded to say they're abominations.

Off the top of my head, I'd list the F20C in an E36, VAG V6 or 1.8T in numerous vehicles and the Vauxhall/Opel C20XE/C20LET in numerous vehicles as being better than the engines that would have been in the car before and rather than making them abominations, it's given the car a new character. You can appreciate or respect the manufacturer, but I doubt many designers are proud that they helped create a 1.6 econobox when there's a 3.2 in the range that fits.

If the tech guys in these organizations didn't have dreams of creating cars with engine swaps there'd be no Golf GTI for example.

 

[jabofu]

call me a purest or whatever but I don't want to swap engines/trannys on my car.
I certainly don't want to mod my car to look like a tv car.(unless I'm buying a TV car from the get go with all original parts)

I love cars for what they are and appreciate them as they are.
I respect the manufacturer and their history.
I respect the racing pedigree(if the company has one).
I respect the design that went into the said car and it's performance from that design.

If I buy a Ferrari, I want it to be a Ferrari.

don't want to start engine swapping, put on some gawd awful body kit, bling rims, turn my RWD to AWD, ect.

what you end up with is nothing but an abomination. it's not a real car.

don't want to race in a cartoon car. no thanks.

don't get me wrong, I don't mind minor performance upgrades, minor tweeks, but what I'm saying is I don't want to mod it to a point that it's no longer car in question.

give me realistic(or as realistic as possible for a console game) physics and feel over "bling my ride" feature.

So they already fullfild your ideas of GT. But others want customisation. I think all agree that we dont want something like the NFS franchise offer. But engine and drive train swapping is something real, even in GT5 there are many cars with swapped engines. Adding bodykids and wheels is in the car culture integrated and it should be in the game. Especially the older JDM cars look like crap without some bodykits. If you dont need this then dont use it, but there are many many people that want a certain degree of customisation.

 

[Biggles]

I have a lot of complaints about GT5. I'm really a bit puzzled about what PD has been doing for the last 6 years. Prologue was a very limited but polished seeming game - particularly in the graphics. GT5 seems coarse & unfinished in comparison.

My big problems remain with the offline game: still hugely sub-standard AI & the traditional GT type of gameplay - absurd license tests, & dozens of extremely boring & pointless "races" that are too easy to win & just act as filler. This may have been fine when GT was on the PS1 & the only game in town. Now it's just tired & old feeling. If they're going to feature endless econobox races, at least make them challenging - use a 3 level difficulty setting that gives you additional credits for each higher level.

The good news is that the physics, with all assists off (including ABS), are really very good. Also, having sampled the online game with some friends last night I am quite pleased - we experienced no lag (only 5 players however), everything worked well & I am delighted to have voice coms. This means, at least online, the racing should be good.

The Le Mans transition effects are spectacular, however I am disappointed that wet racing is only enabled on a few tracks. Super Car Challenge - a game put out in a year on (presumably) a tiny budget, managed to have wet races (with decent visual effects & good physics) on all its tracks. How is it possible that PD could not do the same with 6 years to prepare? This is a mystery to me.

The other perennial disappointment is the sounds - still very bland for most cars - & the collision physics & sound - just terrible.

Why has PD not managed to pull things together better for GT5? If it comes down to having spent the time working on modeling a thousand cars, I think this was a VERY poor choice of priorities.

 

[crunchMONKY78]

I remember getting GT3 and thinking it was pretty to look at, but just didn't hold it's weight next to the depth of GT2. That didn't stop me from playing it for hours on end though. I just thought of it as a sample of what could be done on the PS2 for the Gran Turismo series. Then comes GT4 and I fell in love with the series all over again. It had much more depth then GT3 and sharper graphics as well. They got it right on the PS2 with GT4. 👍

So, I'm thinking the same for the new GT5 on the PS3. It's their first time out on this new console so it's bound to be a bit tame. But, thankfully with the PS3, games can now be updated and patched with an internet connection. Hopefully PD will use this tech to correct the minor flaws, and give GT5 those extra little tweaks it needs to make it the best it can be. In fact if PD doesn't use this online feature to update/patch the game, I will not be buying GT6. There is no reason this game can't be fixed before the release of a NEW Gran Turismo game.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

I'm not disapointed and I'll tell you why. I've been playing the GT franchise since day 1 and it's always been the same. The interface designers are on acid, it'll never change. The fact that they've actually made some improvements this time around is a huge bonus. For instance there's a garage button, way down the events tree that lets you pick a car suitable for the event without having to navigate the long and torturous route back to the home page. Okay so you still have 8000 (approx) button presses to buy and install a turbocharger but, like I said - it's always been like that.

The standard cars don't bother me too much, since I never played in cockpit mode and never will. Cars look fine when you're whipping past them at 120mph. I did notice that PD seem to be really embarrassed about the standard cars, tho. When you go into photo mode from the replays it won't let you close enough to make out the pixels. Someone was actually tasked with coding this clamp in there, personally I'd have preferred if that person was tasked with speaking to anyone who'd ever used any computer interface before about how to do the menus. I'm pretty sure my granny could have pointed them in the right direction. Typical PD - form over function.

To be honest the whole release has seen Kaz and the boys playing cagey as hell. I knew all along it wasn't going to match the hype but, after saying that, it's still classic Gran Turismo - A lot of good cars on a lot of good tracks, held there by a lot of good physics. I haven't even been online yet. I'll wait til the dust settles and maybe they release a patch or two. But, as long as the netcode is sound then any features they want to add will be as easy as finding someone who knows how to design interfaces and paying them to do it. If they keep it in-house, tho, expect the trademark idiotic fiasco. Fingers crossed...

 

[SteffenD89]

omg you guys complain way too much. Yes I am serious - you guys would complain about the smallest aspect of the game.

Do yourself a favor: buy an Xbox 360 and play Forza 2/3.

It seems like you're picking on everything humanly possible and blow it out of proportion.

I know I'm not the best, but I've put quite a lot of hours into GT5 and I still miss most of the A-Spec Special Events, I've only done two of the licenses (golded the first and got gold/silver in the second) and I've completet all races in both beginner and amature.

And I still need to try out B-spec + online.

Yes, the silly amount of rims is weird, but come on - does this REALLY bother you?

The graphic for the standard cars is, at times, crap but it really doesn't bother me.

The only major complain I have is how small/rushed the online portion of the game feels and even then I'm sure it'll be patched in (which ofcourse if no excuse).

As i said - do yourself a favor and buy Forza 3. It seems like it'll fit you better.

 

[gt hc]

I still have to see 16 cars on the track, most I got is 12..haven't seen damage yet either..

But what is a big, huge scandal for a game that dares to call itself the real driving simulator is the lack of qualifying. GT1 had it, GT2 had it, GT3 didn't and GT4 didn't..which was still kinda ok cause you only had 6 cars on track.
But with 16 cars (?) on track, I want to qualify for the race and fight for my grid position, dammit

 

[snicker3s]

To the people complaining: resources are finite, and quality is resource-expensive. Not everything you want has been implented in GT5, no other game will ever do that for you (although some other game might come closer, hope you will find it and grace its forums with your presence).

I, on the other hand, have found the game that comes closest to my wishes. So instead of getting worked up over people bashing my precious, Ill be getting some more playtime

In short: best 55 euros I have ever spent!

 

[loki993]

The more I think about the standard cars the more they bother me. Sure the ones I have look fine, but not being able to at bare minimum change the rims is terrible. I have a mk1 GTI that would look fantastic if I could only swap the rims.

I haven't tried the paint, but from with I heard the whole collect to color things than use it up to paint another car is ridiculous. Just give up a paintshop.

The sounds although better are still not nearly up to par with the rest of the game. Some cars are ok but most Ive heard are absolutely terrible. The NASCAR cars for example? Seriously these sounds may have been ok on last get or even the gen before that hardware, but now? No. Seriously if I close my eyes id Think I was playing a PS2 game. Sound is a big one for me. Every other developer seems to get how important it is, PD doesn't seem to be able to. All I have to say is thank god they didn't mess with the GT40, it still sounds as good as ever, so they didn't screw them all up, but they've had that one right since GT3, not that that means anything, Camaro SS and C5R anyone,lol.

The lack of a standing start on the Top Gear Test track is a disappointment.


Things I havent tried, but

Cant change individual gear ratios? Really, this has been possible since the first game.

No brake upgrades? again really? since the first game.

We wanted more upgrade options, not less.

the tuning section sure looks pretty now, but thats about it. Pretty much the same options we've had since the first game, again a fail.

No engine swaps, I know some feel this shouldn't be in the game, but I feel it would be a fun addition and provide an alternate ways to tune your car as well. However knowing PD if they did put it in they would pull something like you cant upgrade the engine once its swapped in or something.

Weather only on certain tracks?

The level thing with the cars, cant say its disappointing, I guess I just don't get it, I guess it gives you something to work towards.

Have you tried the NASCAR special race? The mouth sync on Jeff Gordon looks like its from a PS1 game, horrible.

I find it curious the Veyron isn't a premium.

Maybe not disappointing, but just a bit bothersome

More world tracks, No Silverstone, Bathurst, Road America Etc

Lack of new cars, lets be real about this something like 75 80 percent of the cars in the game are just ports from GT4.

I'm sure theres more.

I don't know, It just seems that either they're woefully out of touch, they just don't care or they are really that thick.

Maybe they really think they're that much better than everyone else that they can do stuff like this. Thing I feel like I'm playing a game that hasn't been finished. thats pretty unacceptable when you've had 6 years to make a game.

Do I like to game, sure I do, will I play the heck out of it yes I will. Will I blind buy the next one? Probably not. Ive blind bought every GT game since I played the first one at an electronics store in Japan. The next one I will wait until the reviews come out or I can rent it, if thats even possible anymore.

Until then Forza 4 is definitely on my map and I don't even have a 360. Ill buy one if its good enough.

You can make the game as pretty as it can be, but if its lacking in other areas it doesn't matter.

All I can hope for is some DLC or patches to fix the stuff thats not right, but they'll probably make us pay for it.

 

[Jonstone]

omg you guys complain way too much. Yes I am serious - you guys would complain about the smallest aspect of the game.

Do yourself a favor: buy an Xbox 360 and play Forza 2/3.

It seems like you're picking on everything humanly possible and blow it out of proportion.

I know I'm not the best, but I've put quite a lot of hours into GT5 and I still miss most of the A-Spec Special Events, I've only done two of the licenses (golded the first and got gold/silver in the second) and I've completet all races in both beginner and amature.

And I still need to try out B-spec + online.

Yes, the silly amount of rims is weird, but come on - does this REALLY bother you?

The graphic for the standard cars is, at times, crap but it really doesn't bother me.

The only major complain I have is how small/rushed the online portion of the game feels and even then I'm sure it'll be patched in (which ofcourse if no excuse).

As i said - do yourself a favor and buy Forza 3. It seems like it'll fit you better.

I can see a fair few points in here that are not moaning about small aspects for no reason.

The point Bevo makes for instance I think is a very valid one.

For some of the events you search for a car that meets the requirements, enter the race and then find the car is hopelessly outclassed.

You then have to guess on the number of upgrades to do in order to evenly match the cars in the race. Upgrade too much and the whole race becomes pointless.

One feature I would like to see, along with a tab to go to your garage on the event screen would be another that would take you to all the purchasable cars currently available that meet the race criteria in case you don't have one in your garage.

I still very much enjoy the game but that doesn't mean I can't question some of the design/gameplay choices pd have made.

As for forza 3, I have owned it and thought it was very enjoyable but I couldn't get on with the MS wheel compared to my G25