Is anyone else disappointed with GT5?

[Daddybird]

Yep

In forza, it felt like I could really make every car my own, I loved the shops, the paint and selling stuff. Then there was the track selection (the awesome road tracks), the AI... it just felt more polished too, finished. The whole premium cars/ standard cars thing is frankly pathetic, as is the joke that is the damage/ crashes. The B-spec mode is just...oh god, it's bad. The whole points thing feels like an endless bloody grind. What bothers me the most thought while I'm playing it, this will sound picky, is the sound. The way it is mixed is just terrible. Also, the music on the game is just pathetic.

It's hilarious to watch people justify this, as if they owe sony/ pd something, "just you wait, they will fix it in GT6", "it's coming in a patch", "kaz is a perfectionist" and so on. If these flaws were on forza etc, they would be ridiculed, not excused.

That said, I like the game. Do I like it more then Forza 3? No. I got my g/f to buy this for me as an early crimbo gift (she's nice like that) and I'm feeling a little guilty as I'm not really enjoying it like I thought I would be.

That's why they're called fanboys....

I know what you mean, honest criticism is slaughtered by numb head attacks, this thread is a bit of an exception to the issue.

 

[snoopybg]

The game is totally unfinished. I tried the online today and I encountered at least 3 different bugs.

 

[snoopybg]

C'mon, that's a joke, especially after 6 years. Oh all the solutions are in a patch.... yeah right the game is out isn't it?

For years it was the "It's not a final build excuse", now they have to replace it and the new one is: "It'll be fixed via DLC". I bet the one after it will be: "It's going to be fixed in GT6".

 

[reaperman]

I'm confused by this, what did they misrepresent? Whats on gt.com and the box that isnt in the game? And its broken? Are you even playing GT5, I think you have a different game.

Leaderboards, matchmaking and head tracking are still being advertised as being in the game. Those come to my mind as the strongest misrepresentations. As far as broken, check out the online menus. They seem to work about half the time, the other half you have to restart the game from XMB.

You're right though. I must have a different game. If you have a version of GT5 that isn't a broken misrepresentation of years of promises, I'd be happy to trade. I don't think you'd want the game I'm playing though.

 

[Stephen220378]

C'mon, that's a joke, especially after 6 years. Oh all the solutions are in a patch.... yeah right the game is out isn't it?

Listen mate I agree with what you're saying, GT5 should have been a lot better however almost every new game I've bought in the last few months has had patches released either on the day of release or a few days after, Fallout New Vegas, PES 2011, CoD Black Ops, it's pretty much the norm for a game to come out and be fixed later.

 

[stinger061]

The entire patch culture is an absolute joke. Myself I currently don't have my PS3 connected to the net as my current situation doesn't allow it. So often now this means I am ending up with half finished games and no way of getting patches as there is no option to download a patch on a PC and install it via USB.

 

[Daddybird]

Listen mate I agree with what you're saying, GT5 should have been a lot better however almost every new game I've bought in the last few months has had patches released either on the day of release or a few days after, Fallout New Vegas, PES 2011, CoD Black Ops, it's pretty much the norm for a game to come out and be fixed later.

Agreed, FM3 also came with a patch that fixed the "issue" a lot of people had with the hand not moving while shifting gear.

I doubt PD can fix issues like' changing wheels on standard cars, having cockpit view in standard cars... (this is not even naming standard cars itself as an issue).

In all, this game is flawed and a defenate demise of the franchise. GT6 won't have the unlimited support from Sony, the 80 MILLION dollars and the 6 years. What I mean is that Kaz really has made the wrong step.

 

[MidianGTX]

Short answer: No. This game is awesome. If you're disappointed you shouldn't have hyped yourself up so much. There's room for improvement, but what's here is great.

 

[tecknical]

Agreed, FM3 also came with a patch that fixed the "issue" a lot of people had with the hand not moving while shifting gear.

I doubt PD can fix issues like' changing wheels on standard cars, having cockpit view in standard cars... (this is not even naming standard cars itself as an issue).

In all, this game is flawed and a defenate demise of the franchise. GT6 won't have the unlimited support from Sony, the 80 MILLION dollars and the 6 years. What I mean is that Kaz really has made the wrong step.

you seem to forget that much of the cost of GT5 was covered by GT5

 

[Daddybird]

For years it was the "It's not a final build excuse", now they have to replace it and the new one is: "It'll be fixed via DLC". I bet the one after it will be: "It's going to be fixed in GT6".

If there will be a GT6.... well probably there will, but if PD will still be working on it? Probably they will but I'm trying to sat is that Sony isn't stupid, they know what's boiling in the community, and they know what Forza has eaten from it's pie. I think PD will have a MAJOR overhaul and I don't even know if Kaz will make it, either by his or Sony's decision.... I'm probably jumping to conclusions, but I work in marketing and the GT series is an old horse in a burning shed.

 

[tecknical]

If there will be a GT6.... well probably there will, but if PD will still be working on it? Probably they will but I'm trying to sat is that Sony isn't stupid, they know what's boiling in the community, and they know what Forza has eaten from it's pie. I think PD will have a MAJOR overhaul and I don't even know if Kaz will make it, either by his or Sony's decision.... I'm probably jumping to conclusions, but I work in marketing and the GT series is an old horse in a burning shed.

GT5 sold ~2 million in 2 days. Trust me when I say this, PD isn't going anywhere. This game will sell well, but sales of GT6 will go down because people will finally realize it's more of the same.

I think the series isn't in danger of dying, but unless it gets a major overhaul it will lose a lot of die hard fans

 

[Daddybird]

The entire patch culture is an absolute joke. Myself I currently don't have my PS3 connected to the net as my current situation doesn't allow it. So often now this means I am ending up with half finished games and no way of getting patches as there is no option to download a patch on a PC and install it via USB.

I know what you mean, it's ridiculous! They release a game they know has faults, which will show when the people play it, then they address these issues with a patch.... which you won't get when you don't have internet. I've had this issue and it angers me to death, it's all due to laziness or the inability to hire beta testers. GT1 and 2 and 3 and 4 didn't need any patches right? Especially not 2 in 2 days.

 

[Daddybird]

GT5 sold ~2 million in 2 days. Trust me when I say this, PD isn't going anywhere. This game will sell well, but sales of GT6 will go down because people will finally realize it's more of the same.

I think the series isn't in danger of dying, but unless it gets a major overhaul it will lose a lot of die hard fans

We agree then. What I mean is that PD will be questioned, Sony does look in the future.

 

[TJ31]

Short answer: No. This game is awesome. If you're disappointed you shouldn't have hyped yourself up so much. There's room for improvement, but what's here is great.

^ this.
While GT5 is not flawless (GT2/3/4 weren't flawless as well), it's still an awesome game. I'm having fun playing and i will play even after i'll get 100% there. Also there's online mode, which i didn't tried because i don't like to play racing games online even a little bit.
It's all the matter of the expectations i think. Those who have expected something like a game that we've got are happy, those who wanted something different/better/bigger/etc are not happy.

This game will sell well, but sales of GT6 will go down because people will finally realize it's more of the same.

If people will wait another 6 years for GT... it won't matter if it's the same or don't. Also, NFS, CoD, Fifa are 90% the same every year, but their sales are still good enough.
Only reason why GT sales may go down it's because new generation of gamers likes games like CoD a way more (7m sales @ day 1... for that generic fps, seriosly? -.- ).

 

[nxnja]

Just give it time, and read this

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...Aims_To_Fix_Critical_State_Of_Online_Mode.php

 

[TankAss95]

Ive really played Gran Turismo since GT3, although ive never got so excited and pulled in to a game in my life as GT4. I was not really a fan of the series as I started up GT4 in my PS3 for the first time. I had no idea what it was going to be like. The inly reason I bought it was because my friend never shhut up about the thing.
As the intro began showing I was gobsmacked, the graphics (at the time) were futuristic. The way the light reflected off of the ford GT LM car was perfect. The game itself was so addicting and no matter how much you played it, you would never get bored. There was so much to do and so uch fun to be had. The number and selection of cats were astounding and there were hundereds of miles of different track to race them on.
For me, GT5 has not gave me the same 'wow' factor as its previous game in the series had about 6 years ago. The game is fantastic, but there are some major flaws that let it down.
-Aspec and Bspec is a bad idea. They should have kept it the same as GT4. I hate Bspec and it should be a choice to use it or not not a section in the game to complete.
-On the track, premium and standard cars dony mix well together. PD should have ditched the idea of standard cars and instead should have been using their time fully completing a realistic amount of content.
-Many classic race tracks are missing out from previous titles. Where is Midfield raceway and the Test Track?
-Damage is not as realistic as it was described to be.
-There is not that much races and events to enter compared to GT4 or even GT3.

Although these bad points I have just pointed out though, I still think this is an awsome game. The graphics are ganerally super and the physics are spot on, plus you finally gat to race 16 cars at once!
I would finally give this game a 9.7/10 so far. It should have been better given the time and money it has tooken to make it. I agree with what many have said on these forums - Kaz has not been prioritising certain aspects of the game correctly, he has kept his eye off the ball and had set an unrealistic target which most of us knew he probably wouldnt reach.

 

[Stephen220378]

Agreed, FM3 also came with a patch that fixed the "issue" a lot of people had with the hand not moving while shifting gear.

I doubt PD can fix issues like' changing wheels on standard cars, having cockpit view in standard cars... (this is not even naming standard cars itself as an issue).

In all, this game is flawed and a defenate demise of the franchise. GT6 won't have the unlimited support from Sony, the 80 MILLION dollars and the 6 years. What I mean is that Kaz really has made the wrong step.

You're 100% right, this game is seriously flawed, the only people who can't admit this are fanboys who just can't accept that it's not the game we all expected. As for things like changing wheels on standard cars, that's easily possible through a patch, cockpit view isn't since the standard cars are basically upscaled GT4 models. My opinion is that this game could have been released a year after Prologue if it wasn't for the whole 3D compatibility issue that became PD and Sony's priority.

 

[Chapman2424]

Comparing Forza to GT:Forza is a cool game,but and this a a big one,have you played Forza with a Wheel? I have and IT SUCKS! no feeling or real feedback whatsoever! The thing thats not debatable is the FACT that GT is miles no lightyears ahead of Forza in terms of Simulation. Forza for fast and furious racers,GT for Real racers. That's how i see it.

Try a Fanatec wheel on FM3 - miles ahead of that crap MS Wheel. Makes a HUGE difference.

Chapman

 

[Daddybird]

You're 100% right, this game is seriously flawed, the only people who can't admit this are fanboys who just can't accept that it's not the game we all expected. As for things like changing wheels on standard cars, that's easily possible through a patch, cockpit view isn't since the standard cars are basically upscaled GT4 models. My opinion is that this game could have been released a year after Prologue if it wasn't for the whole 3D compatibility issue that became PD and Sony's priority.

To allow the wheels to be changed on standard cars is a similar job as adding interiors. Either they redesign the entire bottom side of the standard cars and the suspension / brakes etc in high detail (premium) to allow the premium wheels to be fitted, or they have to import all the 3rd party wheels from GT4 and make the whole thing work (I don't understand why they haven't done that, maybe because they didn't have enough time *cough*).

But these are just examples, I can go on and on about the flaws GT5 has, it's not just one thing, it's the foundation, the core of the game.... and that's exactly what they've been working for those 6 years. Maybe those 6 years will pay of when 6 comes, but I have my doubts. They've lost me with 5 (and a LOT of others I know) even though they have the game, it's the long run we have to look at. GT6 HAS to be what GT5 was supposed to be and then some.

 

[Daddybird]

Try a Fanatec wheel on FM3 - miles ahead of that crap MS Wheel. Makes a HUGE difference.

Chapman

I've been playing FM3 with the pad so far but looking for a good wheel and I hear the Fanatec is superb. Is it similar to the Driving Force Pro experience in GT4? Is it still available? I heard stories there are some stock issues? Cheers.👍

 

[tank77]

As a long time GT fan I’m defintely dissapointed in this game. I would rate this game as my least liked of all the games in the series. After six in development this game has to many flaws/bugs, errors and omissions(car list/car selection).
But what really disappoints me more that any things it the blantant poor track list. After 6 years in development we get only a hand full of tracks from previous GT games. Virtual no new real world tracks even though they teased us with GTP weather sites and yes they didn’t say those tracks would be in the game but why even put that in that game unless you where going to put them in GT5. What have they been doing for the last 6 years? We know they visited England and modeled London (at least 3 years ago) and TGTT. You telling me they couldn’t find the time to pass by Brands Hatch or Silverstone. I know its not a money issue when they supposely spent 60 million making this game and its not a licensing issue when many other games have included these track.
Looking at a couple of the newly created tracks for GT5 I have to ask where was the time spent on these tracks?
Cape ring while being an ok track it lacks any real looking enviroment it really looks like they created it using the course creator theme MT. ASO to design it
SS7 while being a nod to the Tokyo Dift type games is bland in appeareance and design( I’ll let the design slide because it is a highway after all) but really do you really believe a track 14 miles long mostly containing walls along each side and a long tunnel really would take that long to create.
I truly expected at the minmun that all previous GT game track would be in the game since they at least had done the ground work for those tracks. Let alone include some new real world tracks.

 

[Lillee]

Changing wheel thingy on standard cars is a moot point IMO. Even on my chrome line Cobra 427 (top car by the way) I can't see that I want to change the wheels to any of those wheels. Why would you put a set of rice BBS's on your classic Cobra? beats me.

They will probably make a patch that allows this in the near future due to all the crying, but to be honest, I'd rather they fixed the stupid AI

 

[Pako]

Kindly take your FM3 discussion to the appropriate thread. Thanks.

 

[Stephen220378]

To allow the wheels to be changed on standard cars is a similar job as adding interiors. Either they redesign the entire bottom side of the standard cars and the suspension / brakes etc in high detail (premium) to allow the premium wheels to be fitted, or they have to import all the 3rd party wheels from GT4 and make the whole thing work (I don't understand why they haven't done that, maybe because they didn't have enough time *cough*).

But these are just examples, I can go on and on about the flaws GT5 has, it's not just one thing, it's the foundation, the core of the game.... and that's exactly what they've been working for those 6 years. Maybe those 6 years will pay of when 6 comes, but I have my doubts. They've lost me with 5 (and a LOT of others I know) even though they have the game, it's the long run we have to look at. GT6 HAS to be what GT5 was supposed to be and then some.

I kinda get the feeling this game should have been called Gran Turismo 6: Prologue.

 

[persiano_dubai]

After putting a couple more hours behind my g25 and gt5 I can only say I AM GETTING more and more disappointed ! The races seem to be exactly the same with the stupid AI that are like dumb bots driving in circles which provide no challenge what so ever... All I can say is that PD really did a number on us ... after all these delays and conferences and secrecy this is what they give us ? I visit a dealer and it has a few cars to offer and the rest have to be randomly found ? is this a treasure hunt game or the Real Driving Simulator ? the whole menu system is also a very bad move , if they did everything like GT4 they should have stuck to the same menu system as well... this is a far worse experience than F1 2010 by codemasters , I played less than 5 hours and its sitting in the corner eating dust so now GT5 can join it (I even bought the Sig Edition, thats how much I used to love GT) .. Id rather wait for NFS Shift 2 to get my racing urges going, no matter what people say about it , it feels very solid ... BTW GT5 should not be compared to Forza 3 !!! its a 1 year old game now and by this time next year or so Forza 4 will come out and then you should compare it (I have never played it, never had XBOX, but researched it)

 

[tecknical]

I kinda get the feeling this game should have been called Gran Turismo 6: Prologue.

^^^ This x100

 

[Stephen220378]

To allow the wheels to be changed on standard cars is a similar job as adding interiors. Either they redesign the entire bottom side of the standard cars and the suspension / brakes etc in high detail (premium) to allow the premium wheels to be fitted, or they have to import all the 3rd party wheels from GT4 and make the whole thing work (I don't understand why they haven't done that, maybe because they didn't have enough time *cough*).

But these are just examples, I can go on and on about the flaws GT5 has, it's not just one thing, it's the foundation, the core of the game.... and that's exactly what they've been working for those 6 years. Maybe those 6 years will pay of when 6 comes, but I have my doubts. They've lost me with 5 (and a LOT of others I know) even though they have the game, it's the long run we have to look at. GT6 HAS to be what GT5 was supposed to be and then some.

Fitting 'premium' rims to standard cars isn't an option, they'd stick out like a sore thumb. What PD should have done is just upscaled the GT4 wheels to be fitted to standard cars only

 

[Daddybird]

Fitting 'premium' rims to standard cars isn't an option, they'd stick out like a sore thumb. What PD should have done is just upscaled the GT4 wheels to be fitted to standard cars only

Exactly, no one would've mind everything that was GT4 as standard, all the possibilities and options, add those premium cars, up the graphics and online and done! Imagine how good GT4 really was.

 

[GMTN]

I expected the Uncharted 2 of Driving Sims instead i got a great game?

 

[Stephen220378]

Exactly, no one would've mind everything that was GT4 as standard, all the possibilities and options, add those premium cars, up the graphics and online and done! Imagine how good GT4 really was.

The thing is though from what I've heard is that PD were under pressure from Sony to include 3D compatibility and that's what took the game so long to be released and ultimately give it that half finished feel about it. The same sort of situation Sony put Quantic Dream in with move compatibility for Heavy Rain, hence they stopped making DLC for it to focus on a move version. Sony are obsessed with their gimmicks right now and they're basically forcing devs into going against their wishes.