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Which none of what you’ve just quoted has to do with a “lack of content” as you’re suggesting.
What to start making things up now?
Is GT7 fast becoming the worst of the GT Series?
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What to start making things up now?
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The lack of content is addressed by referencing the desire to not have a game where people have to repeatedly race the same event.
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No that is a lack of high paying events not a lack of content, again you’re not comparing apples to apples.
Try again
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Okay, how about the sudden drop of eight events plus an as yet unfulfilled roadmap in terms of endurance races? It's there in the statement, even if it wasn't, it still doesn't discredit my feedback.
It's awesome you love the game, however, it does not work for me. There's so much that could do. Multi-class racing, longer races, higher payouts, new championships, a full career. You love online mode and scapes, not everyone is you
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Yeah you don’t know what went because there wasn’t a sudden dump of races,
Yeah it’s an unfulfilled roadmap because it’s still on going… the roadmap hasn’t finished,
Your feedback is embellishing a weird hate train with a load of inaccuracies.
While leads to the fact it doesn’t actually matter that I enjoy the game just that what you’ve spewed over the last few pages is in accurate.
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You don't call a rushed extra set of one hour races following a review bombing sudden?
And of course the roadmap isn't finished, because it's live service, it never will be. Games of this nature aren't designed to be completed, they're designed to be restrictive and unfulfilling. All that could be resolved at a stroke, want proof? Look at No Man's Sky
Where have I been inaccurate? Show me the real endurance races, show me the true career, show me the championships. You're making the claim, back it up.
This isn't about a hate train. It's about the truth on his disappointing the game is if you are not a sports, scapes, liveries player. This game could, and should, be one of the greatest in its field. I've stated what could tip the scales, and it isn't a lot.
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You’ve clearly not read a single thing I or anyone else have said to you now…
I’ve literally quoted you multiple times where you are wrong and can’t seem to make up your mind on whether it’s lack of content to low cars to less cars, comparing payouts to content etc.
I’ve already explained the career mode thing as well.
You can be disappointed that’s fine but stating inaccuracies as fact is the problem,
Hell I have issues with the game not having enough high paying events but doesn’t mean there isn’t content to use in game.
Also you forgot tuner, I don’t just do scapes, sport mode and liveries.
It’s clear you can’t have a discussion with people of differing views to you since you haven't read anything in this thread
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They could fix the game for me with three cars and one track. With the addition of the Cadilac and Porshe GTP cars together with an LMP2 and Sebring.
Now, the NLS can be created with Nurburgring Endurance championship of eight 4-hour races. The 24-hour ADAC series can be created with a 2-hour, 4-hour and 24-hour races.
With just three cars and one track, within monthly budget, the Weathertech Endurance championship can be created consisting of the 24 hours of Daytona, 12 hours of Sebring, 6 hours of the Glen, and petite Le Mans to finish. That would take the two GTP cars, with an extra Toyota an LMP2 car and GR3 cars.
By accident, they'd be able to create the 24 hours of Le Mans with three Hypercars one LMP2, and a field of GR3 cars.
Now, the NLS can be created with Nurburgring Endurance championship of eight 4-hour races. The 24-hour ADAC series can be created with a 2-hour, 4-hour and 24-hour races.
With just three cars and one track, within monthly budget, the Weathertech Endurance championship can be created consisting of the 24 hours of Daytona, 12 hours of Sebring, 6 hours of the Glen, and petite Le Mans to finish. That would take the two GTP cars, with an extra Toyota an LMP2 car and GR3 cars.
By accident, they'd be able to create the 24 hours of Le Mans with three Hypercars one LMP2, and a field of GR3 cars.
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You say you've quoted multiple times, however, they don't actually address my points. You're point about endurance races literally points to a set of one hour races. Not really endurance given the links the game has to Le Mans. The championships, they don't have the structure of them.
The lack of content has been the big standard repeated a lot of times, so perhaps the lack of comprehension lies your way? I have talked at length about what the game is missing.
The payout posts have also been very consistent. When I have submitted clear false promises from Kaz, that somehow has not been enough to showcase the argument. I get it, you love the game, and you enjoy it. However, you have to admit this game is a pale shadow of its potential.
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Please re-read the previous page, but again you've already made up your mind and not interested in discussion
and the spa one hour, and whatever is still to come in the pipeline, you even mentioned it being live service so there is more to come
Nope I can comprehend 450+ cars at launch as a good amount with tracks and races to use them on, you seem to not be able to comprehend it going from insinuating no content, to low cars to less cars, again can you make up your mind here.
Because payouts are not content... we've gone over this, you're still not able to comprehend this.
Doesn't mean it lacks content, thank you and goodnight!
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Gran Turismo 7 is absolutely not (nor is it becoming) the worst game in the series. Far from it. At its core it's a great game, impeccable graphics, great physics and general feel. It's certainly not without various issues and questionable choices but still a GT entry up at the top.
I too would be very happy to see classic and actual endurance races reintroduced. They really should be there in the game, all the way up to 24 hours. I see no good reason for their absence and hope for their return with every update. You can't do a one hour thing and accelerate time and wear/fuel to absurd figures, it feels boring, cheap and annoying.
That said, endurance races and other singleplayer events, cups and whatnot are still only a part of the game. That the landscape of gaming has changed a lot isn't news to anyone and it brings both pros and cons. The potential to keep working on the game and adding content and the poor side of that being games released too early, too much and slow drip feeding, glitches and whatnot.
What stubborn singleplayer players must realise (and I say this with the most respect I can) is that singleplayer accounts for a part of the game, not everything. Back in the days it was indeed everything of course, because we couldn't even play online. But not now. If you consciously choose to avoid half the game for some reason that's on you.
Online in GT is great, gives the game more life as well as something meaningful to do. Racing games benefit a lot from being able to race online like we can do in these days, unlike way back. Race with actual other people, challenge yourself against others faster than you, learn from them, etc. How one can select offline AI over that is incomprehensible. But yeah, do whatever makes you happy.
Offline and singleplayer games certainly have their place in today's gaming landscape and there are many great ones. Certain genres fit the singleplayer aspect a lot better than others though, such as story driven action and adventure type games. Racing offline is okay but simply can't compare to doing it online. You're several cars on a racing track together, motorsports is a sport that so easily lends itself to online play.
Preferences are understandable but the complete refusal to go online that is not uncommon to see on this forum is very difficult to comprehend. Not directed directly towards anyone.
I too would be very happy to see classic and actual endurance races reintroduced. They really should be there in the game, all the way up to 24 hours. I see no good reason for their absence and hope for their return with every update. You can't do a one hour thing and accelerate time and wear/fuel to absurd figures, it feels boring, cheap and annoying.
That said, endurance races and other singleplayer events, cups and whatnot are still only a part of the game. That the landscape of gaming has changed a lot isn't news to anyone and it brings both pros and cons. The potential to keep working on the game and adding content and the poor side of that being games released too early, too much and slow drip feeding, glitches and whatnot.
What stubborn singleplayer players must realise (and I say this with the most respect I can) is that singleplayer accounts for a part of the game, not everything. Back in the days it was indeed everything of course, because we couldn't even play online. But not now. If you consciously choose to avoid half the game for some reason that's on you.
Online in GT is great, gives the game more life as well as something meaningful to do. Racing games benefit a lot from being able to race online like we can do in these days, unlike way back. Race with actual other people, challenge yourself against others faster than you, learn from them, etc. How one can select offline AI over that is incomprehensible. But yeah, do whatever makes you happy.
Offline and singleplayer games certainly have their place in today's gaming landscape and there are many great ones. Certain genres fit the singleplayer aspect a lot better than others though, such as story driven action and adventure type games. Racing offline is okay but simply can't compare to doing it online. You're several cars on a racing track together, motorsports is a sport that so easily lends itself to online play.
Preferences are understandable but the complete refusal to go online that is not uncommon to see on this forum is very difficult to comprehend. Not directed directly towards anyone.
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Only 13% of GT7 owners race online. That can be found by looking at the "complete one race in Sport Mode" trophy, or whatever it's called. Thirteen percent.
So, nothing like running errands for some middle aged guy in a cafe. Cool storyline for the 87% and the 13% who also play offline. We're over here talking about menu books in the word of motorsports. Menu books.
I'll have the lasagna with a cabernet thank you.
So, nothing like running errands for some middle aged guy in a cafe. Cool storyline for the 87% and the 13% who also play offline. We're over here talking about menu books in the word of motorsports. Menu books.
I'll have the lasagna with a cabernet thank you.
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There's very little to add to this post. The "I can resist paying for MTX's" argument is very moot, if you can easilly resist, you are not the target. Addiction comes in many forms and MTX's target a specific group of people who will pay for them. Much like there are many people who don't gamble, or gamble infrequently and without high risk, casino's and betting companies make a fortune on a small number of people who gamble/bet a lot, not from the masses who either gamble/bet small numbers if at all.
I've known people who aren't well off lose £1,000 in a single evening on online gambling. I've also known people spend larger amounts on a single game. It's a huge pull for a certain portion of the population.
It undisputedly does, the bones of GT7 are fantastic and I've said before in this thread, it has enough that it's far from the worst game in the series. However for me personally,it's arguably the most dissapointing when compared with pre-launch expectations.
Yes and no, there's a lot to do, but when it comes to the single player career at least, what is there has very little substance. The races are uninspired and dull and if you want to collect cars you have to grind like hell thanks to the MTX geared in game economy.
But if you aren't interested in single player racing, there's a lot the game offers beyond that.
I can't disagree with this, unfortuantely there's one group the game doesn't cater to very well, and that's those who wanted the classic GT experience and for a proper Gran turismo career mode. GT7 categorically doesn't have that and the races it does have in the single player mode just aren't that good for the most part.
That depends on what type of content you are referring to. The cars and tracks, absolutely, they take a lot of time, but they are being released slower than PD have said themselves, that they can create them. However, that doesn't concern me. GT7 does not lack cars or tracks really, it's just that a significant number of tracks were carry overs from GT: Sport, but we're at least seeing a few new ones/updated old ones in the updates.
However, races take very little time to create. I could replicate GT7's World Circuits events in GT5 or GT6 in less than a week, albeit using car and track substitutes from the respective games. I don't dissagree with a lot what you've posted to be honest and there definitely are championships, albeit, like the other races they aren't that numerous or interesting. But I can see both sides of the coin here and it comes down to what each player wants from a game individually.
And this boils down to my earlier comment about GT7 not being the worst in the series, far, far from it, but to me it is probably the most dssapointing. And that's on me, the game just doesn't offer me what I wanted and what I feel I was led to believe it was based on early reviews and all the pre-launch media. If I'd not purchased the game so soon after launch and instead waited a year and got it on sale, I'd probably be very glad I didn't pay full price but think I still had a good deal and have been more aware of what I was buying as was the case with GT Sport.
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I dont race much online. But when i do its in lobbies, playing with friends in vr is quite insane, but also time trials is a good way to make money, and i like the challange, some complaints about gt7 is fair, but when it cones to the cars they are a lot of effort into those models, they are the best in buisness in this aspect,
I am enjoying gt7 a lot i just wish for more endurance races, more high paying events and championchips, but when i at times take break from gt7, its mostly ac on pc i play the best sim racer on that plattform by far in my opinion,
I am enjoying gt7 a lot i just wish for more endurance races, more high paying events and championchips, but when i at times take break from gt7, its mostly ac on pc i play the best sim racer on that plattform by far in my opinion,
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Yes Spa one hour... So not an endurance race, my point stands.
The car volume is lower than it should be, but worse is the amount of real events to use them in. Sure there has been new one off events added. However, the economy is still broken to the point that for most people they're done once, then back to Tokyo, Sardegna or Le Man's for one race with constant grinding.
This is what I have said about no content. Yes a new track is added, yes new cars are added, yes new menu books are added. No, it does not fix the game. 1) it is still drip fed content, 2) it does nothing to change the experience for the offline game.
Now with Sport there are rotating events, new payouts (not great to be honest) and being able to play the races thanks to car renting. Terrific. But given so few of the player base use this mode, it's not one to focus on in my opinion.
Some people are talking about refusal to go online. Well given the broken penalty system and unnecessary grinding to get any progress, it is understandable why. If you have a full -time job, kids, etc, then you'll find gaming time rarer, do you want to use it grinding the same circuits or getting punted off by an unknown player? More than likely not.
For me that is GT7's big issue, it doesn't have enough content for all types of player. If you disagree, awesome, though I'd love to understand why other than "you clearly haven't played the game" as that's not a credible line of thought
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And your point is not held by the majority by the simple fact that GT and other games even have endurance races and classsify them if they are 1 hour in length, that's a You problem.
ok so what should it be? have you actually used all the different kinds of cars you have access to?
ahh this I can agree upon but now we're moving the goalposts yet again
how does broken economy = content? top tip... it doesn't which I've explained over the past 2 pages and will touch on it later
Can I remind you right you said:
So you argee that development takes a long time but now the content is drip feed, again going to where I mentioned monthly updates, how are you expecting loads of content to be made within a month and released? PD aren't a massive team fyi and secondly how do you know it's drip fed? do you have personal access to the files to see what's actually completed or not? come on man stop being ridiculous and get off the band wagon that this game is the worst thing ever.
Ok what's this got to do with content then? ahh deflection that's it and a chance to just get your moan in regardless of whats trying to be discussed.
Because as explained there are plenty of ways to use the current content, there are a lot of races however... Are you ready to hear that I'm not all positive?????
We lack high paying events(not content) in GT7 and there are a lack of events for some specific cars such as Gr.2's,
Doesn't mean Gr.2's are useless and you cannot use them, of course you can by many ways already discussed.
Additionally there may seem like a lack of events for other cars but there aren't it's just a lack of High payouts, which would address your broken economy argument.
There is plenty of content is GT7, the issue is how we use it and get rewarded in the in-game economy
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GT7 is boring.
The cars handle like yachts, theres no real connect between different models, the way they make you grind isnt fun. Online sucks.
I still have fond memories of GT1, GT2 and GT3.
But dare I say it forza took the simcade crown a long time ago. And the last forza wasnt Great either.
In any case, the only option for real car Simulation fans is going the PC route.
The cars handle like yachts, theres no real connect between different models, the way they make you grind isnt fun. Online sucks.
I still have fond memories of GT1, GT2 and GT3.
But dare I say it forza took the simcade crown a long time ago. And the last forza wasnt Great either.
In any case, the only option for real car Simulation fans is going the PC route.
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All day ^this.
Just one event as an example and PD even gave us an Extra Menu about it!
We have the content, but so far, PD haven’t implemented it. However, us players can recreate that era of cars.
I’ll repeat myself again, this game is not the worse. PD have just executed it poorly.
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My opinion and not sure it matters but I’ll throw my hat in the ring. I’ve been playing Gran Turismo since GT1 PS1 days and I love the series but GT7 I don’t find it rewarding enough and as a single player I’m sick of racing the same 2-3 events just because of the credit payout then oh joy get the daily work out done then always get the worst reward or payout. The game feels great on PS5 controller very polished celebrate the automobile, music is great and varied and cars look great sounds improved but there isn’t enough events to do, economy still broken, I shake my head everytime I feel like logging in and doing the same 1-2 races because the credits are decent then I log off, custom races there’s no point, scapes are cool and done well, there’s still alot of icon Gran Turismo tracks missing, i Remember gt 5 had special events and you could make decent credits doing them, gt6 had the log in bonus (miss that 200 percent credit bonus). It’s not the worse in the series but needs lots of improving. Some good videos on YouTube about how it’s flawed etc. anyway that’s my hat in the ring. I’ll continue to grind so many amazing cars I don’t have yet can’t afford them. And fingers crossed more iconic Gran Turismo tracks will get added too from the older games.
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I completly disagree, i never think forza has taking the simcade crown, like mention before in this thread their is no racing franshise that make as accurate and detailed car models as gt7 not even pc sims, yes pc has more hardcore sims,
But they also have their flaws like everything else, besides ac i find them extreamly boring, i find gt7 much more enjoyable than most of the sims
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I guess many of the issues are due to limitations people have not only in hardware but also in their mentality or lets say the ability to understand and adapt the new concepts and new realitys...
What i mean is for example using a wheel and Psvr2 GT7 its transformed, not only the FFB makes a lot more sense cause in VR its like your inside the car and you see every movement and behavior of the car and the FFB reactions, in 2D FFB in some cases seems out of sync cause you dont have the extra visual feedback you have in VR, in VR its like each track its a new discovery..., also its like you are present in a real race, not only every car feels diferent also it seems the whole game sounds and feel better a lot more immersive, driving the Mclaren 650s its like you sitted on the floor and you can really see and feel it compared to any other Gr3 cars that have diferent sitting positions.
Concerning content.., well we are in the era of global and internet connection and racing its a sport meant to compete...
All the concerns people have about single player its available on lobbys and communitys...
People do tournments, races with "real damage", no assists, no abs, endurances, sprints you name it.
Also the game have tools to do and configure offline races aganst IA...
I guess people nowadays whant instant gratification and whant things their way or the old way and the less effort the better...
I mean yes its understandable and very clear what many people whant and how they look to GT like a game only being a game and not a more serious racing game meant to engage and learn to compete and learn racing rules...
The few that try to "race" online will be faced with same skill gap so they rage quit and blame the game instead of themselfs cause the lack of notion that Racing its diferent its not only about playing a game.., people need to learn and pratice so they can have the skills to do proper racing...
Anyway lets hope PD can find a sweet spot in terms of content..., a more classic offline mode or modes so everyone can have fun on its own way
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One thing is for sure: if you find a thread that talks about something negative related to Gran Turismo 7, that thread is going to be littered with people who want to talk about how great Gran Turismo 7 is 
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Best example of that: The 2 lap race at the Nürburgring that rewards you with $25K miserable credits. Of course I haven't done that one, and I don't plan to ever do it.
It's been all about poor execution since the GT5 days. That's why I have 0 faith in PD. They don't want to expand this game or they simply don't care. Or both.
And remember, despite all of it's flaws, this game at least isn't GT6.
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One thing is for sure: if you find a thread that talks about something negative related to Gran Turismo 7, that thread is going to be littered with people who want to talk about how great Gran Turismo 7 is
And vice Versa
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My only real gripe with GT7 is its so very sad that PD could so easy make the game the best game ever.
Just make the payouts more even across all game modes.
Its so weird that the sportmode, and custom races the payouts are so bad, and most of the single player races are focused across a few tracks, and most of them have such bad payouts compared to the grind events.
I would't care even if they lowered the payouts for the grind events, if they upped the payouts for the other single player races, custom races, and sportmode. So people had like more of a choice how they want to play, and still earn some meaning full credits to buy more cars, and tunes no matter if they play sport, custom or single player events.
The biggest joke was when Kaz said he don't want people to grind the same events over, and over. That is just dumb, when that is in fact what is happening right now, for most people playing the game.
Just make the payouts more even across all game modes.
Its so weird that the sportmode, and custom races the payouts are so bad, and most of the single player races are focused across a few tracks, and most of them have such bad payouts compared to the grind events.
I would't care even if they lowered the payouts for the grind events, if they upped the payouts for the other single player races, custom races, and sportmode. So people had like more of a choice how they want to play, and still earn some meaning full credits to buy more cars, and tunes no matter if they play sport, custom or single player events.
The biggest joke was when Kaz said he don't want people to grind the same events over, and over. That is just dumb, when that is in fact what is happening right now, for most people playing the game.
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GT7 is awesome. Just spent the last hour driving the AM Valkyrie and I'm sorry but no previous GT can touch it
What a dumb comment. What does "there's no real connect between different models" even mean?
