Is GT7 fast becoming the worst of the GT Series?

[Voodoovaj]

Don't even have the desire to complete the game. What's the point?

Its GT Sport repackaged with a handful of extra features. Still can't get over the shambolic Multiplayer/Sport Mode aspect of this game.

Well, it's like this.

Quick Race was good, but it needed something to make it less of a crash fest.

They evolved it with the DR/SR system (and penalty system), and they shipped GTSport, which had us covered for a few years.

Honestly, I expected an evolution of Sport Mode, maybe even an expansion of it, to help bolster the single player, but they just left it. If anything, they sort of diminished it. The Sport Mode racing (just the racing) is a little less interesting in Gt7 compared to GTSport and I can't put my finger on why.

 

[dcloko]

That's not a lack of events, that's you prioritising the pay out over having variety.

I want to drive a Ferrari GTO and the Shelby Daytona. I need 40 million CRs for this. Precisely because I want variety (and being able to buy the high-value cars) that I want more events that pay well.

 

[The OG]

The game is broken in so many ways… But the biggest one is micro transactions… Kaz did a bad job in implementing high pay out races across the board instead of just 4 which will cause you to grind just those races…Also its terrible that even if you can afford to buy the overpriced cars majority of them you can’t use in a race unless it’s a custom race…Also its sad how some people go hard on these forums saying all we do is complain which is crazy because the game is far from perfect and its inferior compared to the older games 5-10 years older which is inexcusable… Isn’t that the point of being on a message board to have discussions/debates about the game which is legitimate arguments? Why even go on a message board if you’re not ready to handle people’s opinions

 

[Nebuc72]

The Sport Mode racing (just the racing) is a little less interesting in Gt7 compared to GTSport and I can't put my finger on why.

For me, its the less drivers per race (seriously, why? 20 is quite low for PS5 standards as it is and now its only 16) and the balance (and thus variety) is a lot worse. It makes for a much duller experience.

I feel they're also repeating combinations in B/C a lot - and in C they haven't had any strategy for over a month (just 12 or so lap sprints to the end). They're overall creating a very sterile and samey racing experience.

 

[Nathan88]

If PD had a track record of being punctual you might have a point, but delivering features years late (if not the games themselves) has been par for the course since the mid/late 00's. GT7 being bare-bones and riddled with mobile "gotcha game" features is not Covid's fault, nor the fault of worldwide market disruptions in nearly every sector. From Soft and Polyphony Digital are about the same size, (~330 to ~300 employees, respectively) both based out of Japan, and both started full development on their latest releases around 2018. So they were under the same government restrictions during Covid, yet From managed to release a revolutionary title in a little less time from Sekiro to Elden Ring than it took PD to copy/paste GT Sport into "GT7", scramble the mechanics/pull many features/tweak the engine, and dump the result onto the market. Both re-used previous assets, but From was fighting an uphill battle in developing their first open-world title while PD was creating another sequel (though one could argue GT7 itself is breaking new ground in the amount of psychological manipulation that has been built into the economy... behavioral psychologists don't work for free, after all!)

So what is the x-factor in Elden Ring's success? More than likely, Miyazaki is a far better studio head that knows how to manage his resources properly, whereas Kaz is still trying to be a race car driver and had been working on Sophie, a feature we'll probably never see, instead of getting his game ready for launch. 300 employees and only 15 are car modelers... It's no wonder we went from 1100 cars in GT6 down to 425 in GT7! I can't imagine how over-worked those poor souls are...

I know this isn't from the post I replied to, but strong initial sales mean nothing. Cyberpunk 2077 sold an enormous number of pre-orders and launch copies, and CDPR is still trying to dig themselves out of that hole. I bought GT7 on launch, a lot of my friends bought it on launch as we all grew up playing GT in the late 90's/00's. I'm the only one that still plays out of my friend group, and I've only played a couple hours since 1.15. Nostalgia, promises of a "return to the series roots", and being one of the very few PS5 games in Sony's stable sold GT7. From everything I've personally seen, very few people that bought it on launch are still playing it. You'll always have the 10-20k hardcore Sport Mode players, but if you lose the casual audience you're losing the vast majority of your player base. TLDR: I don't think this game is anywhere near as healthy as you presume based on launch sales alone. Just speculation on my part, but saying copies sold = active players is speculation as well. Until we get some type of PC release in order to see average daily players none of us really knows how healthy (or sickly) GT7 truly is.

You can add God of War: Ragnarok to the list of major AAA titles delayed from this year. Place it on the list with Breath of the Wild 2, Starfield, Suicide Squad, Pragmata, Test Drive and goodness knows how many others. I’m sure many more will be announced soon.

The problem with anecdotes is we all have ‘em and they tend to confirm our own biases. In my case all of my GT group are enjoying themselves. Even a streamer friend, who has his issues, is on everyday. More surprising are casual gamer friends deep into GT7 who I’d never imagine playing a sim. A stark contrast to my GT Sport experience.

Forums do have a tendency to become echo chambers. Especially now social media is used for general chat and news discussion.

 

[Pearl Jam]

And Sony killed Evo studios because they knew Driveclub was by far superior.. my belief and yes it’s tin foil hat territory..
Driveclub is STILL PlayStation’s greatest ever racer and very sadly missed and the reason why I don’t own a PS5

 

[Cheshyrkat]

And Sony killed Evo studios because they knew Driveclub was by far superior.. my belief and yes it’s tin foil hat territory..
Driveclub is STILL PlayStation’s greatest ever racer and very sadly missed and the reason why I don’t own a PS5

I always thought Evo could have been to PD what Playground is to Turn 10 and crank out a Horizon competitor. Though I was really hoping they would have been tasked with bringing back Jet Moto lol

 

[Magog]

No. It's easily the best. Best graphics, physics, AI, car selection, track selection, audio, menus, and car customization. All it needs is a robust track editor, VR support and even more tracks, races, and cars but all that should come in updates eventually.

 

[Pearl Jam]

No. It's easily the best. Best graphics, physics, AI, car selection, track selection, audio, menus, and car customization. All it needs is a robust track editor, VR support and even more tracks, races, and cars but all that should come in updates eventually.

And like clockwork…best ever GT ? can the mods just ban this troll!

 

[Voodoovaj]

For me, its the less drivers per race (seriously, why? 20 is quite low for PS5 standards as it is and now its only 16) and the balance (and thus variety) is a lot worse. It makes for a much duller experience.

I feel they're also repeating combinations in B/C a lot - and in C they haven't had any strategy for over a month (just 12 or so lap sprints to the end). They're overall creating a very sterile and samey racing experience.

I shared Z28's latest vid. I think it's the fact that so many go back to GTSport. I do it and I doubt that I am alone.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Forums do have a tendency to become echo chambers. Especially now social media is used for general chat and news discussion.

It sure sucks then that you can find just as much criticism, if not more, on social media, put in much less nicer terms.

Which begs the question, how much longer are you going to reach into your bag of tricks to call this place an echo camber for correctly criticizing the game for what it is, and for finally wisening up to Polyphony's ideas and tactics when it comes to game creation?

All it needs is a robust track editor, VR support and even more tracks, races, and cars but all that should come in updates eventually.

Considering PD's well established history of out and out saying that features are coming when they're nowhere near ready, and either straight up canning them, or bringing them years down the line and having them nowhere near what was promised, your endless optimism certainly is bordering on naivety.

Not only that, but it ignores the fact that you're basically telling people to ignore the game now and to join in 6 months to a year down the line - where again, PD's own history makes this an incredibly dicey proposition, and considering the state Polyphony wants to take the game, something that can easily go very different ways.

 

[Magog]

And like clockwork…best ever GT ? can the mods just ban this troll!

Enjoying the game this subforum is designed to discuss isn't trolling. Get over yourself.

 

[CBH]

No. It's easily the best. Best graphics, physics, AI, car selection, track selection, audio, menus, and car customization. All it needs is a robust track editor, VR support and even more tracks, races, and cars but all that should come in updates eventually.

You say it's easily the best well I got some pretty bad news for you mate, it's clearly not and nowhere near as good as previous numbered game I have played over the years. A true numbered game should already have content from previous numbered games like all the tracks, and you should not have to wait many many months for tracks that came from previous numbered games.

GT7 has got things in this game that should be rip out of it, because it has no place in a racing game. PD has designed the worst game ever, because they went away from what a numbered game should be designed.

I can't believe people are waiting for tracks & cars from previous numbered games to come in to GT7, and listen to this people PD are Shonky they should not be doing this to you, by slowly being drip fed with things from previous numbered games over many months.

 

[_Ven]

I've gone back to playing GT4, super comfy! 👍

 

[Cayit]

I had big expectactions but get dissapointed!
They postponed the Game for a year but the result is poor.
I don't do the Online races i just play the events what are available and those are VERY LIMITED!
Maybe ''to make'' Cars takes time BUT what about the EVENTS, just give us more events...
I was expecting with every Update 10-15 New Cars and at least 10-15 New Events...Very Sad.

 

[SG_86]

In my opinion: GT Sport is the worst and i immediately removed it after i got GT7

Love it or hate it
GT7 it's just decent

 

[I-Runner]

One of the critical differences between GT7 and the (all) other GT is that with this title it's impossible any form of gaming pianification .
Pricing of cars, reward for races, and many other important aspetcs that in the previous games were "fixed" target now can be changed by the developer in order to secure it's income (MTX) ...
PD in this game has only one variable for the game status, the number of the cars , in the previous GT's we had a lot of other elements , victories (total and each car) , distances, average position etc etc
The statistics of the previous "off line" GT's now are from sport mode ...

This is one of the reasons that makes GT7 the saddest GT ever !

IR

 

[Streeto]

Discounting GTS since I don't count that as a main title, I would have to say yes, GT7 is probably the worst so far.

Absolute disaster of a launch, barely redeemed so far by a few lazy updates.

Regarding sales, I think it's performed the worst in the series, or close to?

The only thing that shines for me in GT7 is customization, but even that's not enough to place it higher than any other installment.

The missing features, bizarre UI design choices, and lets not talk about the roulettes/MTX... these are just some of the things that ruin it.

Such a shame, it could've been so good.

 

[JScott]

Enjoying the game this subforum is designed to discuss isn't trolling. Get over yourself.

Claiming it’s the best GT7 may not be trolling. But it definitely says something about your standards.

Take todays update for example. Ffb “fix” is only something that was recently broken by PD, and now they fixed opponent wheel colours so they match the thumbnail.

Seriously? Those are the issues they’re working on? It’s all flash, no substance.

 

[Magog]

Claiming it’s the best GT7 may not be trolling. But it definitely says something about your standards.

Take todays update for example. Ffb “fix” is only something that was recently broken by PD, and now they fixed opponent wheel colours so they match the thumbnail.

Seriously? Those are the issues they’re working on? It’s all flash, no substance.

I am enjoying it the most of any GT I have ever played. My standards are just fine. I don't care if you don't like it. Why does it bother you so much that I do?

 

[JScott]

I am enjoying it the most of any GT I have ever played. My standards are just fine. I don't care if you don't like it. Why does it bother you so much that I do

It doesn’t bother me that you like it. But saying it’s the best Gt ever is just factually incorrect. It doesn’t have the best car selection, or track selection like you claim. And online is an absolute mess.

I’m glad you’re enjoying it though. Doesn’t negate the plethora of issues with the game.

 

[Imari]

No. It's easily the best. Best graphics, physics, AI, car selection, track selection, audio, menus, and car customization. All it needs is a robust track editor, VR support and even more tracks, races, and cars but all that should come in updates eventually.

It's a shame Polyphony killed the game that did have a solid track editor. It wasn't the greatest and the fact that you needed third party hardware to run it was a bit of a joke, but it was a unique and useful feature.

GT6 would probably still be going to this day if only for people to make tracks on.

 

[Samus]

No. It's easily the best. Best graphics, physics, AI, car selection, track selection, audio, menus, and car customization. All it needs is a robust track editor, VR support and even more tracks, races, and cars but all that should come in updates eventually.

Do you think those will come before or after the AI surpasses our wildest dreams?

Sony AI x Polyphony Digital

It's happening, boys. The AI in GT is about to surpass our wildest dreams!

www.gtplanet.net

 

[HyperSpeeder]

And Sony killed Evo studios because they knew Driveclub was by far superior..

Everything the ex-Evo Studios and its former employees touched in recent years has been ****.

In fact, expect the next NFS to be **** too, considering Codemasters Cheshire (which is Evolution Studios rebranded) is working on it.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Everything the ex-Evo Studios and its former employees touched in recent years has been ****.

In fact, expect the next NFS to be **** too, considering Codemasters Cheshire (which is Evolution Studios rebranded) is working on it.

This is coming from the guy who believed that Driveclub was the racing game equivalent of The Order 1886.

You don't know a goddamn thing, lmao.

 

[Aksu593]

No. It's easily the best. Best graphics, physics, AI, car selection, track selection, audio, menus, and car customization. All it needs is a robust track editor, VR support and even more tracks, races, and cars but all that should come in updates eventually.

If it really had the best car and track selection it wouldn't need more cars and tracks

 

[muriloassis]

I bought the 25th Anniversary Edition (physical media), but as it would take 2 weeks to deliver, I also bought the digital base version for PS5. I think this speaks for itself about my expectations for the game, right? And I play Gran Turismo since the first game, and basically it was the game that defined my persona as a car lover that I'm still today (I'm 34).

After one month, I've completely abandoned the game. Didn't even bother completing the races track by track. I've seen a lot of people complaining about the "GT Cafe style" progression and personally, I also think that it sucks. The poor championship design is also ridiculous, why didn't they stick to the old format, like having the Amateur/Professional races, where then you choose "Sunday Cup" where you easily follow the sequence of the tracks, then the "Clubman Cup" and so on? Even though they are single races by themselves, the menus are easy to follow as a sequence and you feel like you're racing in a series, with the same car and upgrading it to have better racing. These events as single race inside the track selection makes no sense to me.

And then the game progression itself: The licenses doesn't mean anything, besides completing a chapter in the GT Cafe (and only for a low level license).

And then again, you're stuck to the GT Cafe to move on in the game, where you have to follow the same path that everyone goes, winning the same prize cars.

I'm absolutely devastated to see a game that I bought as soon as it was possible, in October 2021, a game that I was waiting for a long time, crumble down this way by the poor choice of the producers.

And I'm only talking about choices on game-design. When it comes to the game itself, gets even worse.

I used to play some private leagues with a few friends and the lobbies are absolutaly unplayable. Disconnections, players that don't see each others, hosts that can't start the races. Spectating races is horrible, all the data on screen is incomplete and the commands when you are broadcasting doesn't work. The ridiculous lobby options where you can't even change the track, like man, what the hell is PD doing? They took out basic functions that were already present since GT5!

I was completely hyped with the game, seeing the trailers, Kaz' videos, all the informations. I really enjoyed playing it for the few hours, even the physics before the update (actually, I was even enjoying it more, as I always thought that on GTS' physics the cars felt like they were on rails) that now are completely diferent (and worse, imho). But then, I saw myself stuck into the GT Cafe events to be able to progress and started to question "is this really the chosen way to progress in the game?". It makes no sense.

And even worse: We're in 2022 and we still get offline to apply patches/updates. This is ridiculous. I can't play a game that I've paid a full price (twice, because I'm a devoted fool to the series) when server maintenance is happening. GT7 is not a service, is a full game and should be treated like it.

I'm really sad with the game status at the moment, I can't play online with my friends (crap lobbies), neither can play offline because the campaign is a complete mess.

And I didn't even complain about the prices and the in-game economy.

PD had the hype, had the time, had the right product in their hands... And they've really messed up big this time. Can compare to the same type of thing that Capcom did with the remake of Resident Evil 3.

This is really sad.

 

[Raceface1959]

I like GT7 for the simple act of picking a car and driving it around a track. But then again, that's exactly what I've mainly liked to do in every other Turismo game. I'd love to see the addition of all of the other missing classic tracks from Turismos past. That's a tall order, so I'm not holding my breath. I'm a fan of Gran Turismo, but, speaking for myself, when I want to feel like I've raced against a bunch of other cars, I'm playing the Assetto Corsa games, not Gran Turismo. I use GT for driving beautifully modelled cars around nicely detailed environments. Worst or best, in that regard it does what I want it to do. If an update throws a few more cars, tracks or events into the mix, that's a welcome bonus. But yeah, in it's current state, I'm not clocking a massive amount of play time into it either and usually just enough daily to activate the wheel of misfortune, unless I get involved with a car I'm having fun driving.

 

[Roggers]

This how I rank the series.
1. GT4
2. GT3
3. GT7
4. GT5

Started with GT3 and loved it.
GT4 loved it even more. Great content, good tracks, good collection of cars and a single player series that lasted ages!
GT5 this is when I started to grow out of computer games and i found the game just a repeat of GT4. (I’ll be honest I don’t really remember too much of GT5)
GT6 im not sure why I didn’t buy it. Think GT5 put me off.
GTSport didn’t buy as all the reviews said it was heavily based around online racing which at that point I had no interest in online gaming
GT7 bought it as I like the fact it had a single player mode again, the previews all looked amazing and I just wanted a new racing series. Well it’s been a bit of a disappointment for me. I think the game has so much potential but been let down by PD. For me the game isn’t finished and it needed another 6-12 months work. From what I’ve seen and read it looks like PD just rereleased GTSport.

 

[HGHTCH]

would be good for the series if they pulled a COD and had PD and a different studio trading off on each release while sharing assets/engine. This series needs fresh blood.