Is This Even Possible... your jaw will drop after seeing this.

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WOW! this dude has to be a pro in real life too, man even real life drifters wouldnt out run him man! really wow he should help PD make the next gran turismo 5 trailer.;)
 
the_kingb_
Well HKSD1 let be honest with you ...
with my car (the Mustang), linking the last corner with the first in a single manji is not possible because it doesnt have enough power , the viper on the other had obviously has the power to link the 2 corners in a single manji without the handbrake
I'm going to get myself a viper and show you how it can be done but just not now cuz i dont have the $$ for it nor for tuning it, that car will cut alot of distance of that straight the second it gets out of the corner just by the use of throttle and in one manji (my car needs full throttle to exit the last corner while his (the viper) only needed little throttle and alot was left for him to use for the straight .... watch his video and see how it bursts into speed the second he lays his foot ( and again i think its a thumb on DS3) on the gas ...

as for which of the 2 techniques is harder ... well doing a full lock to lock manji in a car with that power will need you to spin your wheel very rapidly (alot much faster than it can turn by itself ) while still aiming for the upcoming corner ...
To me the handbrake is a fast tool to correct your mistakes while driving that's why i dont like to use its easy and it hides timing mistakes and even doing a mistake while using a handbrake cannot be easily seen in the replay cuz as i said its a "correcting tool"
on the other hand a mistake while manji'ing can be very obvious and i admit that i did a small mistake on the first corner the car entered the corner with minor drifting angle ...

and againg about the cars , maybe its something wrong with my settings maybe thats how the mustang is ... but my car cannot maintain a wide drifting angle as his by just the use of throttle ... i give it full throttle it and it straightens up but his the more throttle the more angle as i can see from the video ...
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i dont know what you are talking about saying that the mustang is not powerful enough to link.......i can link it with my M5 which is about 680hp but that is very close to bottom line in power to link that first hairpin with 1 manji. if you seriously think you can link that in 1 manji without the use of handbrake with any car, i am almost sure you are out of your mind. i dont care if you use a viper or what not.......that corner is too damn far for not using the handbrake.

with the skill level that this viper driver is demonstrating, i highly doubt he can't do what you did adding one more manji to that front straight and not use handbrake for the whole track......that place is like the only place he used his handbrake...

my main point is....people chose not to use the handbrake, it does not make it any more skillful to drift without. used wisely you'll perform drifts that you cannot do without the use of it.
 
RufusGonePunk
Actually the_kingb_ was criticising the use of manji'ing and the handbrake in his video. And the Viper has a V10.

And it's obvious how much power it has when he can spin the wheels up in 3rd from 15-20mph.
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Lol, I can do it on my 410hp Supra, and it did it when it had 389hp even...

I know that the Viper has a V10. I'm just saying going over the "too much power" argue when you have more than 500hp and use a V8 car (= loads of torque), is lame.

As for the argue saying that using e-brake as an initiating tool is easy, let me tell you that locking your rear tires at +200kmh is not an easy thing at all!
Unless you only speak about video games saying that proves that you have no clue how much skills it takes to initiate Hi-speed drift with the e-brake.

The use of one or another technique is up to the driver and the situation. Initiations on a long straight, for exemple on Ebisu east, requires the use of the hand brake right after a quick feint.

The dude with the Viper had to use the e-brake on that video coz he was too far from the first corner, not using it would had just put him off line.
 
Warren4649
As for the argue saying that using e-brake as an initiating tool is easy, let me tell you that locking your rear tires at +200kmh is not an easy thing at all!
Unless you only speak about video games saying that proves that you have no clue how much skills it takes to initiate Hi-speed drift with the e-brake.

The use of one or another technique is up to the driver and the situation. Initiations on a long straight, for exemple on Ebisu east, requires the use of the hand brake right after a quick feint.
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I don't really get what you're getting at to be honest. Are you elling me that it's physically hard to pull the handbrake at 120mph, or it takes great skill? It sounds like you're saying it's physically hard, but some clever guy came up with hydraulic handbrakes a good few years ago which makes things a lot easier.

Yes it takes skill to initiate with a handbrake at high speed, but it takes more skill to feint. Handbrakes can be used from any reasonable distance from the corner and they 'automatically' set the car up in the direction of the corner. Contrast that to feinting or manji'ing, and you have to time it absolute perfection, too soon and you'll lose too much speed or turn in before the turn, too late and you'll over shoot. Of course, if you do initiate too soon you can use the handbrake to correct your line, but we're talking about using either or, not both.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by Ebisu East, but I take it you're on a Minami (the track fr the D1GP) Yes drivers feint then use the handbrake, but the corner has two apexes, so a correction of line is needed, and the best way to do that in that situation is by using the handbrake.

Warren4649
The dude with the Viper had to use the e-brake on that video coz he was too far from the first corner, not using it would had just put him off line.
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Exactly, he was forced into using the handbrake because his misjudged the length of the straight and the number and length of manjis he needed. the_kingb_ judged it perfectly and was therefore able to slow the car down for the corner without using the handbrake.

And regarding the video teh luckinator posted, it's apples and oranges. You can't compare a narrow straight with a kink (basically a double apex turn) and 3-400bhp cars to 700+bhp cars on a wide track with just one turn.

I have the feeling that people are too black and white about drifting techniques. There is no set way to do anything, even the same track with the same car. All the techniques should be used to create the smoothest possible way round the track whilst maintaining speed and angle. To me, it's not a smooth line to pull the handbrake from 40m before a corner.
 
Of course the act of pulling the ebrake itself is easy!
What I was saying is that initiating with the ebrake at an hi-speed is not as easy as some people may think. Yes at low speeds e-braking is the easiest/less risky, way to initiate because you usually enter the corner right after pulling the side brake.

Its a different story when doing it at the end of a straight at 220kmh.
 
Warren4649
Of course the act of pulling the ebrake itself is easy!
What I was saying is that initiating with the ebrake at an hi-speed is not as easy as some people may think. Yes at low speeds e-braking is the easiest/less risky, way to initiate because you usually enter the corner right after pulling the side brake.

Its a different story when doing it at the end of a straight at 220kmh.
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Well actually at higher speeds the handbrake gets harder to pull hence hydros.

And yeah, of course it's harder at highers speeds, isn't everything? However, what is ever harder than that is breaking traction without using it by pointing your car the wrong way. It's pretty crazy when you think of it like that.
 
Still I don't get the point of putting the Viper guy down! IMO video is awesome, handbrake or not!
And yea feinting at crazy speeds is crazy, but you would need lots of power to keep the tires spinning!
Usually drifters use the e-brake at high speed because its safer than a big risky feint.
 
Warren4649
Still I don't get the point of putting the Viper guy down! IMO video is awesome, handbrake or not!
And yea feinting at crazy speeds is crazy, but you would need lots of power to keep the tires spinning!
Usually drifters use the e-brake at high speed because its safer than a big risky feint.
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I wasn't putting him down so much, I was just saying it could've been better, and then the_kingb helpfully came along and proved it :) Haha.

And yes, you do need to have balls the size of grapefruits to pull is off in real life, which I why I respect drifters who feint in preferance to yank on their hydros. And the less power your car has, the more aggressive you have to be whilst initiating ;)
 
it's dead obvious that the more feints involved the slower it is...the slower it is the easier to control a drift/feint whatever. and it's also not rocket science that a longer/faster manji is much harder to pull off, who cares if he's using handbrake or not.

i just made a replay of the same lap with a m5 pulling 2 sets of feints before entering first corner, it felt so much slower and i was in so much more control than aiming for that single manji link. ultimately it's much easier to link with 2 manjis than 1 in this particular situation.
 
HKSD1
who cares if he's using handbrake or not.
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I do. I find it breaks the rhythm that the drift had. Instead of smoothly sliding down the straight then into the corner, he locks up the rear wheels and slides in a straight line for the final 40 metres or whatever it is. I realise that might sound quite confusing, so I'll explain that when I say 'slides in a straight line', I don't mean he straightens up, I mean his car moves in a vector parallel to the track at an angle to it :)
 
yeah.

slides in a straight line.

for like 2 miles.

IT WAS AWESOME.

how about this. go make a video where you manji on that straight. then make a video where you ebrake for as far as he did. let's see if you can do it.
 
teh luckinator
yeah.

slides in a straight line.

for like 2 miles.

IT WAS AWESOME.

how about this. go make a video where you manji on that straight. then make a video where you ebrake for as far as he did. let's see if you can do it.
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Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realise I had to be the best in the world to have an opinion on something.

I guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. Me and the_kingb_ like smooth, flowing style, you like something more akin to FWD drifting, or 'ass-dragging' :crazy: Haha!
 
Just to let everyone know if they hadn't figured it out, my last post was dripping in sarcasm. It's only a little bit of an ass drag :crazy:
 
I don't know, I always found long side awesome! The more far you initiate from the corner the more awesome it is IMO!


Anyway, no one can beat the awesomery of this!
 
Warren4649
I don't know, I always found long side awesome! The more far you initiate from the corner the more awesome it is IMO!
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I agree with you here. When I am following in a tandem and someone does an extremely long slide into a tight corner, I get chills down my spine. And when I do it myself, well we won't go into the feeling I get, that's a whole different story!:sly:
 
teh luckinator
yeah.

slides in a straight line.

for like 2 miles.

IT WAS AWESOME.

how about this. go make a video where you manji on that straight. then make a video where you ebrake for as far as he did. let's see if you can do it.
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oh well........atleast i know i can do both
and it's day and night in difficulties for me in performing 2 different style of drifts on cape ring north

multiple feint entry / no handbrake


a far drift entry from 5 blocks away
 
RufusGonePunk
Exactly, he was forced into using the handbrake because his misjudged the length of the straight and the number and length of manjis he needed. the_kingb_ judged it perfectly and was therefore able to slow the car down for the corner without using the handbrake.
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bro.

come on bromontana.

he MISJUDGED? are you kidding me?

MIS.

JUDGED.

WAT.

you don't think he meant to do that? that he just randomly drifted? and was like,

"oh hey i'm not gonna make the next turn even though i'm going like 500mph, i'll just pull it now. oh hey, i'm right next to the rumble strips, what a coincidence! i totally didn't mean to pull the ebrake at the exact moment where the back of my car would moving parallel to the rumble strips. what an awesome surprise, since i didn't mean to do any of that!"

you can have an opinion, go ahead. but you're saying feint requires more skill than ebrake slides?

or did you mean ebrake initiation? because you seem to be getting the 2 mixed up.

now go make a video!
 
I saw this video after I did mine and he linked ever single corner! Thats what gets me! That is by no means easy. I managed to drift the loop but that was after straightening up and lining it up LOL. Props to him. Handbrake or not! I use it when necessary and sometimes for fun! it is part of drifting technique. Watch "The Drift Bible" it is a highlighted technique!

Here are my videos so far:


My viper had well over 900HP... but that was the point LOL


Handbrake abuse on the first corner!


Autumn Ring fun
 
teh luckinator
bro.

come on bromontana.

he MISJUDGED? are you kidding me?

MIS.

JUDGED.

WAT.

you don't think he meant to do that? that he just randomly drifted? and was like,

"oh hey i'm not gonna make the next turn even though i'm going like 500mph, i'll just pull it now. oh hey, i'm right next to the rumble strips, what a coincidence! i totally didn't mean to pull the ebrake at the exact moment where the back of my car would moving parallel to the rumble strips. what an awesome surprise, since i didn't mean to do any of that!"

you can have an opinion, go ahead. but you're saying feint requires more skill than ebrake slides?

or did you mean ebrake initiation? because you seem to be getting the 2 mixed up.

now go make a video!
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Yep. He could've made his manji's longer (or shorter) to fit and exact amount into the straight. Instead he did one and a half, so he had to elongate the last bit by using the handbake. Just because someone misjugded something doesn't mean it was done by accident.

Yes, I am. Welcome to every single post I've posted on this thread.

Handbrake slide or initiation? Is there a difference? The slide in the video is just a lengthened initiation.


In regard to that video, I'm not quite sure it was 1981, but it was a while ago. Things have moved on from then.

And, just because I know it's going happen, I haven't once said anything on posted in this thread is easy.

Edit: I just checked with my mum and dad. Turns out I don't have a brother in Canada. Just so you know ;)
 
kwentyne
I saw this video after I did mine and he linked ever single corner! Thats what gets me! That is by no means easy. Props to him. Handbrake or not! I use it when necessary and sometimes for fun! it is part of drifting technique. Watch "The Drift Bible" it is a highlighted technique!
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Quoted for the truth. Drifting is about having a huge bag of skills and pulling the appropriate ones out when needed.
 
teh luckinator
bro.

come on bromontana.

he MISJUDGED? are you kidding me?

MIS.

JUDGED.

WAT.

you don't think he meant to do that? that he just randomly drifted? and was like,

"oh hey i'm not gonna make the next turn even though i'm going like 500mph, i'll just pull it now. oh hey, i'm right next to the rumble strips, what a coincidence! i totally didn't mean to pull the ebrake at the exact moment where the back of my car would moving parallel to the rumble strips. what an awesome surprise, since i didn't mean to do any of that!"

you can have an opinion, go ahead. but you're saying feint requires more skill than ebrake slides?

or did you mean ebrake initiation? because you seem to be getting the 2 mixed up.

now go make a video!
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hey luck, dont worry about it i have no idea what he's on about either. i know i've been doing drifts like this and won numerous titles when lfs was still at its prime. both you and i know what we're doing in both lfs and here. so let him be, there are ppl who view apples as oranges.......it's fine.

i made a video demonstration with the m5 feinting around and it's easy....

in lfs talk, this is like saying feinting on the back straight of blackwood @ 60mph and enter the chicane is harder than going at full speed 120mph in 5th gear and drift into the chicane. nonsense
 
RufusGonePunk
Yep. He could've made his manji's longer (or shorter) to fit and exact amount into the straight. Instead he did one and a half, so he had to elongate the last bit by using the handbake. Just because someone misjugded something doesn't mean it was done by accident.

Yes, I am. Welcome to every single post I've posted on this thread.

Handbrake slide or initiation? Is there a difference? The slide in the video is just a lengthened initiation.


In regard to that video, I'm not quite sure it was 1981, but it was a while ago. Things have moved on from then.

And, just because I know it's going happen, I haven't once said anything on posted in this thread is easy.

Edit: I just checked with my mum and dad. Turns out I don't have a brother in Canada. Just so you know ;)
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Things might have moved on but on Ebisu West (the track shown on the video), people are still manji'ing then ebraking! And the layout of the straight + corner pretty much look like the one on cape north except the turn is on the right and might be wider than on Cape ring!
 

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