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Yeah, our gangs just carry butter knives, apparently.
We're one mention of Tony Abbott away from bingo!Is this Australian Gun Control Thread or Islam Opinion Thread?
What do they carry?
So if Hitler is a Godwin Law, does that mean Tony Abott is a Godfail Law?We're one mention of Tony Abbott away from bingo!
BINGO!
What do I win?
Can't you guys just call a truce of sorts and agree to disagree on your fundamental beliefs of left or right or whatever?
People are perfectly capable of protecting themselves without the need for a gun.
To me, Daesh isn't and won't considered as a country. To me, that's a total insults to consider them as anything but some total insane, mindless thinking, murderers, who wants to ruin the whole world by killing innocent people all around the world for not agreeing with them and ruining the image of muslims or even middle easterns.Thanks. Where is ISIS with these countries? I mean, have they filtered into these countries yet, other than Syria and Iraq?
To me, Daesh isn't and won't considered as a country. To me, that's a total insults to consider them as anything but some total insane, mindless thinking, murderers, who wants to ruin the whole world by killing innocent people all around the world for not agreeing with them and ruining the image of muslims or even middle easterns.
And one explanation of why the dislike for Abbott away from demonstrating point completely missed....... again.We're one mention of Tony Abbott away from bingo!
You know what tires me out? The fact that the exact same points keep being raised over and over and over again, all often without context and all in a accusatory fashion rather than a questioning fashion.
Did Muhammad (pbuh) marry Aisha when she was nine? That is actually debatable for starters. This is history we are talking about after all and there are certain contradictions in some circumstances. It is of the opinion of some that Aisha was married at the age of nine but moved in at twelve or something. But working from her own narrations it seems to show a different story of an age of marriage of between 16 and 19. Nevertheless, the rule in Islam is quite clearly stated. The boy and girl MUST be over the age of puberty (and that of course changes with time), must be mentally sound, must NOT be under any pressure and MUST enter the marriage willingly. On top of that, laws of the land also apply if over. So for example in the UK it is 16 or 18. That's how it works, so back to marrying minors in Islam? Guess what, not allowed.
And yet another post where you don't contribute anything, but rather snipe at who you think is the easiest target.And one explanation of why the dislike for Abbott away from demonstrating point completely missed....... again
I just quoted the relevant part. I didn't even bother to follow the link because I could guess where it led - to a post that you have stored away, waiting for the opportune moment to bring it up to attack someone. It doesn't matter who posted it, what they posted, or why. Odds are that it contradicts whatever you posted yesterday, and equally likely as what you will post tomorrow.Your narcissism is so profound that you can only see the comparatively miniscule excerpts that pertain to you?
As ever, so valuable to get a direct and informed overview from you.
Given what you've stated, my mind goes to the question of whether or not Islam is actively being divorced from cultures and states by it's peoples, or if that it is largely only passively taking place due to assimilation within countries with secular predominance. Shockingly though, there appears to be concurrently a surge in solidifying the attaching of cultural-isms and state-isms (should and should not dos, under false pretenses) to the religion, within the very same secular countries. We basically see both active regression and passive progression as dominant forces. If true, I find that a worry. Using the burqa, niqab, hijab cultural phenomenon as a simple and accessible example - should we see more active progression rather than merely passive progression from Muslims? I think that not actively separating purely cultural practices is doing the religion a great disservice.
@ECGadget Nice explanation and interesting personal experience with regards to attending a madressa . I believe each man should be free to practice whatever belief he holds dearly, as long as he is not molesting other minded people with it. And that's a bit the problem with religion in general, as these old verses open the door for a lot of interpretation which means evil minded people can get their justification out of the same book as the good minded ones that way. It seems you notice the negative effects of religious extremism a lot more than the positive effects of the religion itself sadly, so i can understand where Christopher Hitchens is coming from when one states its better to get rid of religious power entirely as to avoid these issues (which doesn't mean to say we need to get rid of religion itself).
IMO sharia law has no place in Western culture however; seeing women being stoned to death for alleged adultery, hands or heads chopped of, or gays being thrown of rooftops proofs that to me. And that's aside from things like women having to cover up and things like music, alcohol or smoking being outlawed which could also be part of the deal.
Sharia law stems from the middle ages and in many ways it shows.
Indeed. I fear the situation we have now will only escalate as is already evident. It follows the plan of ISIS perfectly as it is setting up people in the west against moderate Muslims, forcing us to pick a side when it eventually ends in a clash of civilizations.This I will agree with, because it is very true that with religious texts open to some form on interpretation you end up with evil minded people using it for evil actions. And of course this is always highlighted. And of course, you're opinion on the place of Shari'ah law is also understandable. As a matter of fact, had I not had the education from the 'inside' as it were I would be completely agreeing with you there too because that is what we see don't we? It's a sad state of affairs and it does not really correlate with what Shari'ah principles seem to be. I most certainly do not want people stoned to death or beheaded or pushed off of roofs. But that's not exactly Shari'ah law but an interpretation of it that has a place in the middle ages, like you said. There is much of Shari'ah law that is fine and identical to what we have and in many ways stays truer to the spirit of the law than some do today. But, I am not a jurist so that is not something I can have lengthy discussions about sadly!
But on your first point about practising beliefs, you make a good point that incidentally is part of Shari'ah law sets anyway. And that is believing what you wish whilst not infringing the rights or beliefs of others. Without that, there is no peaceful coexistance between anybody.
more and more western people starting to support right winged populists as the liberal politicians we have now seem incompetent to deal with the current crisis.
I think i might immigrate to Antarctica for the next 30 years, knock wood the penguins won't get violent.Add in the economic problems brewing, and you're likely to get those right-wing populists combined with the left-wing populists against the establishment. That's what's happening on this side of the pond.
I agree with you here. Let's run with the hijab and niqab example as you've used that one and it is a good one to run with. In Islam, through the teachings of Muhammad, it is encouraged for women (and even men actually to certain extents) to cover up. This much is true. However, in Islam that is never forced upon anyone. Fast forward a millenium and we see a time where this religious action turns into some cultural system in which males force females to wear a scarf and cover their faces. Do not do that and you are punished in some which way. This is not Islam, but to those who do not know (both Muslims and those who are not Muslim alike) this can easily be confused as Islam. It is at the end of the day to do with Muslims, and it is about an Islamic dress, so how can it not be? And it is from this that we end up with all these misconceptions, misdeeds and scaremongering. Sadly some of the scaremongering is from those who actually DO know better but just run with it.
Come to Canada. It's paradise here, we just don't shout about it. Zero sarcasm intended.I think i might immigrate to Antarctica for the next 30 years, knock wood the penguins won't get violent.
Islam suffers the same issues as other large religions. Around every corner there lurks a different interpretation. That brings more harm than good.
The solution is easy, on paper that is, work out the differences and realise you're all reading the same text or stop reading it all together and join us, the sinful but coexisting atheists. Unless there is football on tv.
The solution is easy, believe whatever you like but just don't be dicks to each other about it. Or at least confine the dickery to snide remarks and a generally self-righteous attitude.
That is my post. But with different words. Not quite sure what you tried here?