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When you include the caveat, "oh by the way, you have no right to exist", that is what i'd call postulating. I wouldn't take it seriously either with that hitch included.
Israel - Palestine discussion thread
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Israel do exactly the same thing. Likud have made it clear that they will never recognise a Palestinian state.
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Right, because all Muslims - in fact, all non-Christians - are incapable of change.
Love thy neighbour, but only if thy neighbour is just like you; if not, feel free to persecute to your heart's content.
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So Hamas is not a terrorist group then?
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How do you get to the All Muslims/All non-Christians from that gif?
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Best. Post. Ever.
I'll have to tell my Muslim friends and the Syrian charities I donate to and spent time with that I'm persecuting them to my heart's content
If you want to stop jumping to conclusions (yeah right) then try reading this article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/02/world/middleeast/hamas-khaled-meshal-gaza.html
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He may have jumped to a conclusion there, but you're not really helping things by just posting snarky gifs.
Instead, perhaps you could try providing a reasoned explanation for why you think Hamas is in the wrong but Israel is in the right, when they both want essentially the same thing - to destroy the other.
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Is it your contention that Israel has never fired first in any of their many conflicts with Palestinian groups?
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Correct.
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What I'm saying is that both sides fire rockets at each other. Much of the western world is quick to say that Israel only ever fires in defense, or as a retaliation, and that the Palestinians are always ultimately to blame.
Events like the 2009 strike on the Ibrahim al-Maqadna Mosque paint a bit of a different picture though. So I'm trying to get more information from DLR here about why he seems to think it's always Palestine's fault.
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Or, it might just be saying that I could recall that incident off the top of my head, and didn't spend time poring through 10 years of records to find more examples.
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I don't recall making a claim that there are that many.
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I can't speak for what @DLR_Mysterion was actually contending that Hamas always fires first, but rather when Hamas does fire first, they often fire from hospitals or schools, so when Israel retaliates they get to point out the atrocity.
Only one side in this conflict makes use of innocent civilians as human shields.
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I'm guessing it's Palestine, since that's where terrorists' families receive compensation.
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No, Israel. A group of Palestinians attacked an outpost a few years ago. Most of them were killed, but one of them was only injured. He was disarmed and completely incapacitated. He presented no immediate threat to anyone, and under the rules of war, he was effectively a prisoner of war. After the Israeli army unit regrouped, one soldier went back out and killed the Palestinian; he was heard to say that the Palestinian deserved to die. He was tried and convicted of manslaughter, but Netanyahu publicly called for him to be acquitted, if not outright pardoned and called him a national hero. Netanyahu's language made it pretty clear that he didn't think that killing unarmed Palestinians amounted to a crime.
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I guess he's out and free and clear now and he and his family are getting compensated for killing a Palestinian right?
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Are you seriously contending that "a leader who suggests that a soldier who killed an unarmed man is a national hero" is as bad as using civilians as human shields? Seriously?
Why yes, yes you are. Whatever the reason.
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Netanyahu does exactly that. The Israeli government supports Jewish settlers who rent houses at a discounted rate in occupied areas. In many cases, children are among the settlers. They often require armed guards with them twenty-four hours a day. They do it to maintain control over areas by keeping Palestinians out. Watch Louis Theroux and the Ultra-Zionists and you'll see exactly what I mean. These settlers aren't living - they're deliberately put in harm's way. What's really scary is that supporters of the policy are as extreme as the Palestinians.
Israel would have us believe that they are a nation under siege, only ever doing just enough to defend themselves. They aren't. They're just as bad as the Palestinians.
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I'm not arguing that. But you're saying it's just as bad as using human shields.
Are these settlers dragged kicking and screaming into these settlements? Or do Hamas' human shields volunteer for it? Otherwise, not the same thing at all.
Fixed that for ya. No charge.
Agreed.
Disagree.
