"It Takes No Skill To Drag" - Prove it

[Downhill Dino]

I think it's more of being able to use a tune, rather then making one. It is quite easy to make one, if you know what everything does. In real life, tuning would be a skill.

 

[Azuremen]

Ok we are not talking about someone getting a tune from someone, sure that is not a skill.

We are talking about people that have the ability to tune, that is a skill.

Those are independent things. You can have fast driver's that are poor at tuning and vice versa. But a good driver can copy a tune from elsewhere; a tuner can not copy a driver's technique.

I think it's more of being able to use a tune, rather then making one. It is quite easy to make one, if you know what everything does. In real life, tuning would be a skill.

In real life, tuning is vastly more complicated than moving a few sliders around, with considerably more required on the tuner to understand what elements of the car to adjust and how to best go about doing that.

 

[midnight910]

ok we are not talking about someone getting a tune from someone, sure that is not a skill.

We are talking about people that have the ability to tune, that is a skill.

+1

 

[eightlives]

I think it's more of being able to use a tune, rather then making one. It is quite easy to make one, if you know what everything does. In real life, tuning would be a skill.

Those are independent things. You can have fast driver's that are poor at tuning and vice versa. But a good driver can copy a tune from elsewhere; a tuner can not copy a driver's technique.



In real life, tuning is vastly more complicated than moving a few sliders around, with considerably more required on the tuner to understand what elements of the car to adjust and how to best go about doing that.

Why do non-drag racers come to the drag section to argue with us?

Most of everything in the quotes are completely wrong. Please go make a drag tune and come find me and see how "easy" is is to make a competitive drag tune. Also I have never met a "fast driver" that didn't know how to tune his car. Tuners guard there tunes and do not just give them out to anyone.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Why do non-drag racers come to the drag section to argue with us?

To prove you guys wrong in a debate.

Most of everything in the quotes are completely wrong.

Supposedly.

Please go make a drag tune and come find me and see how "easy" is is to make a competitive drag tune. Also I have never met a "fast driver" that didn't know how to tune his car. Tuners guard there tunes and do not just give them out to anyone.

I'm no tuner and prefer my cars stock. Besides, I really don't know how to tune in the first place, so I'm out of this.

 

[eightlives]

To prove you guys wrong in a debate.



Supposedly.



I'm no tuner and prefer my cars stock. Besides, I really don't know how to tune in the first place, so I'm out of this.

A. You failed

B. Umm.. ok??

C. Then why debate about something you have no idea about, go run your stock cars and have fun.

 

[Downhill Dino]

A. You failed.

Supposedly.

C. Then why debate about something you have no idea about, go run your stock cars and have fun.

I "have an idea about it", I just can't apply myself to it.

 

[lowwatt]

dragracing is the easiest thing ever

 

[midnight910]

dragracing is the easiest thing ever

Read the OP....it clearly says PROVE IT

 

[PTK]

Supposedly.



I "have an idea about it", I just can't apply myself to it.

Prove it.

dragracing is the easiest thing ever

Prove it.

 

[Downhill Dino]

I just realized something. So, if I'm supposed to prove that going in a straight line is easy and anyone can do it with or without a tune, why must I race and win to prove my point? I can see how that can prove something but wouldn't simply being able to get off the line smoothly and blasting down the line be enough?

I wonder if someone mentioned this before.

 

[eightlives]

Supposedly.



I "have an idea about it", I just can't apply myself to it.

So you fail.

dragracing is the easiest thing ever

Please come to a drag room, and prove it. I will be sure to tell everyone when you fail.

I just realized something. So, if I'm supposed to prove that going in a straight line is easy and anyone can do it with or without a tune, why must I race and win to prove my point? I can see how that can prove something but wouldn't simply being able to get off the line smoothly and blasting down the line be enough?

I wonder if someone mentioned this before.

And I can go around any course in the game, so that means that circuit racing is very easy as well.

 

[Downhill Dino]

And I can go around any course in the game, so that means that circuit racing is very easy as well.

This is becoming a pathetic debate.

I'm not saying circuit racing is hard. I'm just saying that drag racing is easy. Anything is easy if you try.

 

[PTK]

This is becoming a pathetic debate.

Your right, why are you wasting your time. Either "prove it" or don't but if you don't try then you have nothing better to contribute to this thread.

 

[eightlives]

This is becoming a pathetic debate.

I'm not saying circuit racing is hard. I'm just saying that drag racing is easy. Anything is easy if you try.

Exactly. So as I said Circuit racing is easy. I can just drive around the course at 5mph without a care in the world. Because after all it's easy you see, and winning doesn't matter.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Don't be a smart-🤬. Obviously drive as fast as possible and I would to when it comes to drag racing.

 

[PTK]

Don't be a smart-🤬. Obviously drive as fast as possible and I would to when it comes to drag racing.

Either "prove it" or don't but if you don't try then you have nothing better to contribute to this thread.

.............

 

[Downhill Dino]

.............

Of course I'm going to try, why wouldn't I? I've done some drag racing every once in awhile. Now don't start trying to set up a time we can meet and everything, we can discuss that later.

 

[GTP_Gearhead]

Current online drag rooms are a joke at best, due to not having a proper tree/results. I see the "Pro drag only" rooms nightly but refuse to bother until PD gets it together and releases a proper dragstrip.

In find this thread a little light, almost unneeded until we have some solid numbers from a proper track. If you feel the need to rage respond about my opinion, I will not take the bait. If you put up something solid, we'll talk.

 

[PTK]

Of course I'm going to try, why wouldn't I? I've done some drag racing every once in awhile. Now don't start trying to set up a time we can meet and everything, we can discuss that later.

Good to hear.

Current online drag rooms are a joke at best, due to not having a proper tree/results.

I don't think they are a joke at all.. Its very serious. You are probably joining the wrong rooms...

Current online drag rooms are a joke at best, due to not having a proper tree/results. I see the "Pro drag only" rooms nightly but refuse to bother until PD gets it together and releases a proper dragstrip.

That wont happen unless you consider the next DLC a drag strip like I do...

In find this thread a little light, almost unneeded until we have some solid numbers from a proper track. If you feel the need to rage respond about my opinion, I will not take the bait. If you put up something solid, we'll talk.

A discussion is not needed. You can choose to "prove it" or not. That's all. If not well then... bye.

 

[midnight910]

your right, why are you wasting your time. Either "prove it" or don't but if you don't try then you have nothing better to contribute to this thread.

+1000000...as I said earlier either prove it or just end this epic fail of a "debate"

 

[Azuremen]

Why do non-drag racers come to the drag section to argue with us?

Most of everything in the quotes are completely wrong. Please go make a drag tune and come find me and see how "easy" is is to make a competitive drag tune. Also I have never met a "fast driver" that didn't know how to tune his car. Tuners guard there tunes and do not just give them out to anyone.

Knowledge != skill, but go ahead.

The only skill you seem to talk about is tuning, but I suggested if you want to see what is more challenging in terms of skill, just use stock cars. The only player variables for drag is launch and shifts, beyond the setup. Far more things are considered in Circuit type events, from understanding corners to throttle and shift control (also relevant in drag), braking points, etc. There are simply more variables.

This place reminds me quite a bit of the GT3 and GT4 drifting sub-forums.

 

[eightlives]

Knowledge != skill, but go ahead.

The only skill you seem to talk about is tuning, but I suggested if you want to see what is more challenging in terms of skill, just use stock cars. The only player variables for drag is launch and shifts, beyond the setup. Far more things are considered in Circuit type events, from understanding corners to throttle and shift control (also relevant in drag), braking points, etc. There are simply more variables.

This place reminds me quite a bit of the GT3 and GT4 drifting sub-forums.

You don't seem to get it. You need to include everything involved. You can not take out the skill of tuning a car. I have said many times that when talking about drag vs circuit it is a 80/20 split 80 percent tune, 20 percent driver. And for circuit is the opposite.

The point is simple, if you think that drag racing (competitively) is so easy by all means tune your favorite car and come find me.

 

[Machate-man]

You don't seem to get it. You need to include everything involved. You can not take out the skill of tuning a car. I have said many times that when talking about drag vs circuit it is a 80/20 split 80 percent tune, 20 percent driver. And for circuit is the opposite.

The point is simple, if you think that drag racing (competitively) is so easy by all means tune your favorite car and come find me.

Although I do not Drag in any way, shape, or form, I can make a conclusion from the quote:

Tune/Skill/Blank-wasted

Person with experience = 80/20/0 or 75/25/0

Person without experience = 80/0/20 or 80/5/15

If you were to sum it all up, (not counting the blank-wasted as negative or positive) you would end up with this:

Person with experience = 100% or 100%

Person without experience = 80% or 85%

100%>80% or 100%>85%

And that's given that the two use the same setup.

You can then conclude that skill makes or breaks your race given the same car/tune used by both drivers, by a margin that can be called "close".

And it's the opposite for circuit driving;

You will be faster on the track in a better setup/car, given the same driver/skill. The car/tune makes or breaks your race.

Just stating the facts

 

[OwensRacing]

Knowledge != skill, but go ahead.

The only skill you seem to talk about is tuning, but I suggested if you want to see what is more challenging in terms of skill, just use stock cars. The only player variables for drag is launch and shifts, beyond the setup. Far more things are considered in Circuit type events, from understanding corners to throttle and shift control (also relevant in drag), braking points, etc. There are simply more variables.

This place reminds me quite a bit of the GT3 and GT4 drifting sub-forums.

Let's not forget balance as you enter turns and exit. Circuit racing is way deeper then most realize.

These drag racers do have fun and really that is what matters.


The new Speed Test is gonna help legitimize the Drag Racing!!!

To bad it is single runs and based off a Time Trial. None the less it's solid and no cheating. I'll be adding times to the leader boards.

 

[Illogical]

drag racing takes as much a blend of skill and tune as any other. I have cars tuned in for dragging that I could give you and you wouldn't be able to get within a half second of me. Its all about knowing your car, your launch, your shift points. Its not just floor it and shift at redline.

I'm all over the place. Drifting, Racing, and Drags. It takes the same amount of work and time to be the top in all of those events. This is almost like saying Nascar takes no skill. Really, I hate Nascar, its boring. Doesn't mean those guys are bathing in sweat and delusional by the end of an all day race. Call drag racing a Formula fan's Nascar, but don't say it takes no skill

 

[OwensRacing]

Ok as a driver. I have been into real drag racing for a bit. Truly the only skill involved in most drag cars is cutting a good light. After that it's point, click or click click.

Now my Evo. That car takes skill to drive. My old Camaro. While it would make most crap from the launch. It took very little to no skill.


People we let girls with no prior drag racing jump in 12 second cars and make passes. . . You will never see any circuit racer letting a noob make Laps in his car.

My favorite thing to do with real cars is drag racing. Why? Easy to do with reg street cars and it's well pretty easy. Meaning little chance for wrecking.

You get into the chassis side that is where skill comes in. Building the engine, fabbing parts.

Now get into some 8 sec 10.5" tire stuff that take skill to drive. Or cars making 1000hp up. That is where the skill set comes in.

Running a sticky tire 11sec or slower car is pretty easy. Maybe I got yrs in and it seems easy but that's how I feel.


Running at the top takes dedication and experience. Which is skill. Loads of luck. Most drivers take luck over skill.

 

[Swara]

drag racing takes as much a blend of skill and tune as any other. I have cars tuned in for dragging that I could give you and you wouldn't be able to get within a half second of me. Its all about knowing your car, your launch, your shift points. Its not just floor it and shift at redline.

I'm all over the place. Drifting, Racing, and Drags. It takes the same amount of work and time to be the top in all of those events. This is almost like saying Nascar takes no skill. Really, I hate Nascar, its boring. Doesn't mean those guys are bathing in sweat and delusional by the end of an all day race. Call drag racing a Formula fan's Nascar, but don't say it takes no skill

I agree with your first paragraph 👍

 

[Illogical]

Ok as a driver. I have been into real drag racing for a bit. Truly the only skill involved in most drag cars is cutting a good light. After that it's point, click or click click.

Now my Evo. That car takes skill to drive. My old Camaro. While it would make most crap from the launch. It took very little to no skill.

People we let girls with no prior drag racing jump in 12 second cars and make passes. . . You will never see any circuit racer letting a noob make Laps in his car.

My favorite thing to do with real cars is drag racing. Why? Easy to do with reg street cars and it's well pretty easy. Meaning little chance for wrecking.

You get into the chassis side that is where skill comes in. Building the engine, fabbing parts.

Now get into some 8 sec 10.5" tire stuff that take skill to drive. Or cars making 1000hp up. That is where the skill set comes in.

Running a sticky tire 11sec or slower car is pretty easy. Maybe I got yrs in and it seems easy but that's how I feel.

Running at the top takes dedication and experience. Which is skill. Loads of luck. Most drivers take luck over skill.

Stock EVO takes less skill than a decent camaro. I didn't wanna bring up street racing because as fun as it was racing kids in civics with noisy exhaust isn't drag racing. I had a 350whp eclipse gst, went to the track about 6 times. RTs were .6s but my 60 foots were crap, 2.5sec. Redline and drop the clutch didn't apply

 

[OwensRacing]

Stock EVO takes less skill than a decent camaro. I didn't wanna bring up street racing because as fun as it was racing kids in civics with noisy exhaust isn't drag racing. I had a 350whp eclipse gst, went to the track about 6 times. RTs were .6s but my 60 foots were crap, 2.5sec. Redline and drop the clutch didn't apply

My Camaro was the subject here. Not any Camaro. My car was a Stalled Auto with 28" drag radials. While yes it was fast it was easy to drive fast.

Also note: I ran 1.62 60' with 330ish AWHP compared to that 2.5 you posted. I'd think my knowledge and skill level is at the point you shouldn't argue.


Basics to launching AWD and doing so fast and consistent. Is slipping the clutch. This takes skill. Most couldn't even begin to know how fast to let out. It take time Ina car to know what feels right and being able to compensate in fraction of seconds.

I've also owned 5spd Mustangs on slicks. You literally rev it to launch RPM wait for third yellow and drop he clutch while going WOT. no slipping of clutch.

Almost all RWD bangers on a tire are this way. No RWD worth a lick of salt goes launching on reg hard street tires and expects anything decent from it. Even slipping the clutch.

Even my buddies 750 AWHP Evo that traps 150+ MPH on Slicks requires clutch slippage.

do note. Your are arguing with someone that is heavy into the subject at hand. As in I build parts and cars for racing.

Also anyone that street races a slow car is silly. Let's risk our license making passes in 14-16 sec slugs. Uggggh Give a kid a car and he is Johnny Racer. This is why the older crowd shuns a lot of kids/young adults. Just saying.