Jagged / motion blur with new LED HDTV (Finally over)

I've been having serious jaggy problems for over a year now, enough to reduce the framerate and sometimes makes games unplayable.. The screen is grainy and the colour is glitchy, is this normal? It is the same on all of my TV's.
 
That PC or Console? The TV won't be causing framerate issues on console... On PC it maybe because the resolution/settings is set too high in-game.
 
Console - It can be so annoying having little visibility on a TV. I can never see into the distance on driving games and always end up hitting the traffic in NFS because of it :grumpy:

I have messed around with the settings on both my TV and monitor, and have tried about 3 HDMI cables. What is going on? :boggled:
 
The colors on any TV are going to be way off whenever you get a new TV. You need to get a calibration disk, and set up the TV. When it comes form the factory it is setup to be super bright and to catch your eye in a very well lit showroom. You need to calibrate it when you get it home. As far as those jagged lines, it is not the TV, it is the games. Like others have said the better the TV the more flaws it will show in the game. If you have a powerful PC and play a newer PC game with the settings maxed out, you don't have these problems. Game consoles just don't have the power to make games look super smooth on HDTVs. I expect the next run of consoles to actually be prepared for HD. The PS3 and Xbox 360 just are not up to the task of taking full advantage of HD resolution. They do a decent job, but are just too old of technology to make it look like you are wanting it to.

Any TV from a good manufacturer will work well. LG, panasonic, or sony will all 3 give you a really good picture.

The calibration disk you can get is avia II or you could try this one. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001UM29OC/?tag=gtplanet-20 I've never used that one, but its blu ray and seems to have really good reviews.

You really do though need to calibrate the TV. Most people don't and it makes it hard to watch anything on a TV that hasn't at lest been calibrated with a disk, after you get use to seeing what the colors and brightness should look like. It amazes me that big stores like best buy don't have actual calibration disks. They do sell super junk ones that don't help at all, but they don't stock the ones that work well. If I was panasonic or someone I would make my own and put it with every TV I sold.
 
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Dude! I'm going through the same thing!

I just bought a Sony Bravia 55HX820, FULL 180P and 240 Hz. Movies look amazing, but the games are driving me nuts!

Been playing Forza 4 and noticed hundreds of jaggies. The Faster you go, the worse it looks. And what makes it even worse, is that for some reason the jaggies are white! No matter what surface, it has moving white lines / jaggies.

I tried Gears of War 3 last night, horrible. As far as the picture and blacklevel goes, amazing. But in motion it seems as though the white lines / jaggies glow or flicker, hard to explain.

Also, they don't really seem to be jaggies, at least not all of them. In Gears 3 I looked up at some horizontal pipes on the ceiling, and all of the pipes had a solid white line on the edges. I'll try to post an image later.

But it sucks so bad. I mainly bought it for gaming. My super old LG 720p LCD didn't have this problem. It's really sad if nothing can be done. I'm wondering if plasmas have this issue? Might try to get the Panasonic VT30.
 
^ Yup. I just decided to deal with it. The only thing that really helped was to turn down the sharpness from the default 70 down to about 55. I played a bunch of different games and watched several movies. I will just stick with this new 32" LG because from what I have been hearing, I will have the exact same issue with any other LCD tv.

One thing is for sure the 1080p does create a better picture than the 720p. I know some said it would not be noticable but I could see the difference for sure, especially the draw distance quality. So this LG is quite a bit better than the Toshiba.
 
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CAMAROBOY69
^ Yup. I just decided to deal with it. The only thing that really helped was to turn down the sharpness from the default 70 down to about 55. .
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You should just go ahead and turn it all the way off. Any calibration you do on a decent HDTV is going to show that the sharpness should be 0 or really close to it. I've done 2 LCD tv's and 2 plasmas with avia's DVD and all of them had the sharpness all the way down. Sharpness is not a good thing to use on a decent TV. It's really just distorting the image and trying to make it look sharp. If you have a nice TV with quality content being sent to it, you should be able to turn it all the way down, and get a really nice smooth looking picture, that doesn't need to be artificially sharpened.
 
bevo
You should just go ahead and turn it all the way off. Any calibration you do on a decent HDTV is going to show that the sharpness should be 0 or really close to it. I've done 2 LCD tv's and 2 plasmas with avia's DVD and all of them had the sharpness all the way down. Sharpness is not a good thing to use on a decent TV. It's really just distorting the image and trying to make it look sharp. If you have a nice TV with quality content being sent to it, you should be able to turn it all the way down, and get a really nice smooth looking picture, that doesn't need to be artificially sharpened.
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I set the sharpness at zero, and all it did was make the picture blurry. Hardly did anything to the lines / jaggies. I play on game mode with all TV processing turned off. Turned everything on just to see, but nothing I do affects the jaggies.

I tried Mass Effect 2 on my ps3, same thing. Tried different HDMI cables, tried running the xbox / ps3 straight to the tv (bypassing the A/V receiver). Nothing helps.

I haven't tried component cables though, might try that tonight.
 
Component cables will be a step back from HDMI, being analog, not digital.

That may in itself remove the jaggies, however, while reducing overall picture stability.
 
Big Floppy
Dude! I'm going through the same thing!

I just bought a Sony Bravia 55HX820, FULL 180P and 240 Hz. Movies look amazing, but the games are driving me nuts!

Been playing Forza 4 and noticed hundreds of jaggies. The Faster you go, the worse it looks. And what makes it even worse, is that for some reason the jaggies are white! No matter what surface, it has moving white lines / jaggies.

I tried Gears of War 3 last night, horrible. As far as the picture and blacklevel goes, amazing. But in motion it seems as though the white lines / jaggies glow or flicker, hard to explain.

Also, they don't really seem to be jaggies, at least not all of them. In Gears 3 I looked up at some horizontal pipes on the ceiling, and all of the pipes had a solid white line on the edges. I'll try to post an image later.

But it sucks so bad. I mainly bought it for gaming. My super old LG 720p LCD didn't have this problem. It's really sad if nothing can be done. I'm wondering if plasmas have this issue? Might try to get the Panasonic VT30.
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I didn't see this post from you earlier. Are you running it in 240 hz mode all the time? If you are, try going down to 120. I've heard that 240 is more of a gimmick then anything. Also, what you are describing with the lines running down the side sounds like bad Anti aliasing. I haven't played gears 3 or forza 4, so I can't comment on how well they did with the AA in those games. The problems you are describing though have nothing to do with the tv and everything to do with the game. Maybe try and turn the system down to 720p and see if it goes away. If it does then it's the games fault and no the TV.
 
bevo
I didn't see this post from you earlier. Are you running it in 240 hz mode all the time? If you are, try going down to 120. I've heard that 240 is more of a gimmick then anything. Also, what you are describing with the lines running down the side sounds like bad Anti aliasing. I haven't played gears 3 or forza 4, so I can't comment on how well they did with the AA in those games. The problems you are describing though have nothing to do with the tv and everything to do with the game. Maybe try and turn the system down to 720p and see if it goes away. If it does then it's the games fault and no the TV.
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Actually, there is no option to run at 120Hz. The only time where the 240Hz come in handy is when running 3D. And yeah, I've tried everything except components. I'll check back soon
 
bevo
You should just go ahead and turn it all the way off. Any calibration you do on a decent HDTV is going to show that the sharpness should be 0 or really close to it. I've done 2 LCD tv's and 2 plasmas with avia's DVD and all of them had the sharpness all the way down. Sharpness is not a good thing to use on a decent TV. It's really just distorting the image and trying to make it look sharp. If you have a nice TV with quality content being sent to it, you should be able to turn it all the way down, and get a really nice smooth looking picture, that doesn't need to be artificially sharpened.
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Every tv is different and anything lower than 50 on this tv gets very blurry. I set it to 0 just for the heck of it and you cant even imagine how blurry it is. You cant see ANYTHING. :lol:
So 50 on this TV is similar to 0 on other tvs. 50-55 looks about perfect for the 360. 70 looks about perfect for the PS3. On this TV.
Big Floppy
I uploaded a video of what I'm seeing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttvjz2JvFmU&context=C3dbc5f9ADOEgsToPDskIX-FWWHb5jU1V3pQ9RTzqf
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Yup thats pretty much the same thing I am seeing. I guess thats what they are saying is normal for gaming on these new LCD tvs. My new tv also has the same blurring effect or "tearing" when turning left to right like that. I never had that on my older CRT hdtv.
 
I thought I could live with the LG but I really want to try some more tvs before I commit to this LG.

I am going to have Best Buy order me totally different TV. LED instead of LCD.

Samsung UN32d6000S LED 1080P 120hz
Its on sale for around $800.00. I am going to have them order it for me tomorrow and should have it in about a week.
 
LED has nothing to do with picture resolution, it's just a different way of illuminating the picture. LED TVs are LCD screens that use LEDs for light.
 
CAMAROBOY69
Yup thats pretty much the same thing I am seeing. I guess thats what they are saying is normal for gaming on these new LCD tvs. My new tv also has the same blurring effect or "tearing" when turning left to right like that. I never had that on my older CRT hdtv.
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What your seeing in that video has nothing to do with the TV. It's completely the software doing it. On a really high end PC, with a very well made game, you don't see any of that stuff. The consoles are just not powerful enough to get rid of those problems.
One example is battlefield 3. It looks like garbage on consoles, with all kinds of jaggies and weird white things moving around objects, but on the same TV on my PC it is one of the best looking games ever. Everything is perfectly smooth and super sharp.

The reason you don't see that stuff on your old TV is because the resolution is so low that the picture is blurred and that stuff goes away. Try playing the same games that are driving you crazy now, and turn your console back down to 480 and I bet that stuff goes away. It's just a matter of the ps3 and xbox not really being powerful enough to make the things your talking about go away. You don't run into that stuff on high end PC's, at even higher res then 1080p.

You can buy whatever TV you want and as long as your on a console playing in HD, with a game really pushing the graphics, then that stuff will not go away.

Screen tearing on the other hand is different. that might be your TV doing that. My plasma does it on some games if they didn't make them at either 60 or 30 fps. GT5 does it really bad but forza doesn't at all. When I play PC games on it I have to vsync most game to 60 fps or my TV will do the screen tearing. My tv is a 60 hz TV. So if the game isn't running at 30 fps, 60 fps, or 120 fps, most of the time it will cause tearing. Iracing is one of the few that this doesn't happen with. I can run it at 300 fps with no tearing at all, but other games it seems to cause the tearing problem.
 
I just read a bunch of reviews and that Samsung UN32d6000S LED 1080P 120hz tv I posted seems to have issues with light showing up in the corners in dark rooms because of the backlighting. When I watch movies I have all the lights out so that could be an issue. I was planning on buying that Samsung tomorrow for $800.00 but not sure now after reading some of the reviews. This is driving me nuts. :dunce:

That LED backlighting seems like it would be awesome. Example: If something is blue on your screen it shows a blue light on the back of the tv. Is the LED backlighting really as cool as it sounds or just an annoying gimmick? I am going to Best Buy tomorrow again for sure. Seems like everyone I speek to says something different. At least I have narrowed it down to LCD or LED. What I purchase tomorrow could be a mystery. :lol:

If I dont decide what to purchase tomorrow then I will just stick with this LCD LG.

Strange.....This site lists the Sharp AQUOS Series as THE best gaming tv out there. They listed the Sony Bravia XBR Series as the 2nd best tv for gaming. http://www.hdplasmatvreviews.com/best-gaming-tv/#aquos

I just dont know anymore. *pulls remaining hair out*
 
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Personally, just get one and stick with it. Reviews are subjective to the reviewer's taste.

Its all basically willy waving to attract people's attention to buy that particular model.

Just settle for one, get that and stick with it. Can't just keep reading reviews and getting annoyed all the time about the conflict of interest or you'll very quickly go insane!
 
This is a killer video explaining the advantages of LED over LCD. I am almost 100% convinced I am switching to the Samsung LED tomorrow. What he pointed out in this video is EXACTLY what I am seeing on my LCDs but it looks like the LED tvs resolve the issue.
 
Nothing in that video addressed jaggies (your major complaint) and all those references to "correct" color could be accomplished with good calibration. Contrast, maybe so, maybe LED lighting gives better detail in deep blacks and bright whites, I don't know. My plasma does just fine on that. :sly:
 
Jaggies are due to hardware limitation on Xbox's and Playstation.

Now, if it was a television program that was creating jaggies, then it would be understandable.
 
You can't go by anything that guy says in the video. Look how much different the colors look. Those can't be calibrated, or the lighting is just horrible in the video. You can't go wrong with any LED, LCD, or plasma as long as you buy panasonic, LG, or samsung.

Don't go for the mood lighting that comes out of the back of the TV either. Why would you want colors flashing on your wall to distract you from the picture. And if your chasing some perfect picture for the 360 or ps3 it's not going to happen. If your wanting rid of the jaggies, then your going to have to go drop around 1500$ on a high end home built PC to accomplish perfect looking smooth gaming.

If you watch most of your shows and games in a fairly dark environment, then plasmas still are really hard to beat. They still have the blackest blacks, and really bright colors, handle fast motion great, and are the cheapest.
If you are really that worried about the picture though, you have to at least calibrate the TV yourself, and if you want it perfect your going to have to pay someone that has the right equipment to come do it right. Unless it's calibrated you can't really have a real opinion on how the TV performs except for a straight out of the box opinion. Not many TVs look decent out of the box.
 
bevo
You can't go by anything that guy says in the video. Look how much different the colors look. Those can't be calibrated, or the lighting is just horrible in the video. You can't go wrong with any LED, LCD, or plasma as long as you buy panasonic, LG, or samsung.

Don't go for the mood lighting that comes out of the back of the TV either. Why would you want colors flashing on your wall to distract you from the picture. And if your chasing some perfect picture for the 360 or ps3 it's not going to happen. If your wanting rid of the jaggies, then your going to have to go drop around 1500$ on a high end home built PC to accomplish perfect looking smooth gaming.

If you watch most of your shows and games in a fairly dark environment, then plasmas still are really hard to beat. They still have the blackest blacks, and really bright colors, handle fast motion great, and are the cheapest.
If you are really that worried about the picture though, you have to at least calibrate the TV yourself, and if you want it perfect your going to have to pay someone that has the right equipment to come do it right. Unless it's calibrated you can't really have a real opinion on how the TV performs except for a straight out of the box opinion. Not many TVs look decent out of the box.
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Quoted for truth. 👍
 
wfooshee
Nothing in that video addressed jaggies (your major complaint) and all those references to "correct" color could be accomplished with good calibration. Contrast, maybe so, maybe LED lighting gives better detail in deep blacks and bright whites, I don't know. My plasma does just fine on that. :sly:
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Yes while jaggies are my main complaint, after over a week with this tv I also notice the motion blur with games and the strange coloring of the whites and blacks, as mentioned in that video above. I could never get the blacks or whites perfect on this LG LCD tv. So my next step is to try the LED Samsung or some sort of LED TV.

I noticed that the Samsung UN32d6000S LED has a bunch of TV aps but I really dont need those. It sounds good in theory but really just wasted resources for what I want. I mainly want it for gaming. I will be going to BB tonight after work to make the decision on what LED tv I need.

Also thanks to those that responded about the ambient lighting. I wasnt quite sure if that was something I would want. Sounds good in theory but I bet it would be distracting. I got that confused with LED backlighting. Again thanks for all the replies. It has all been very helpful and a huge crash course in LED/ LCD HDTVs. I think I might pick up a calibration disk tonight for the heck of it. If it doenst work then I can bring that back too.

I also forgot to mention that I did indeed sell my old Sony Trinitron Wega 27" CRT HDTV on Craigslist. As soon as I turned on Avatar in Blu-Ray they bought it instantly with cash. :lol:

This is the ambient lighting. But it does seem too distracting. And the colors dont match the screen most of the time. So I wont even concern myself with ambient lighting.

 
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Up untill now i never heard CRT and HDTV described as the same TV....
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Yup that was my 6 year old tv. Huge and heavy but had incredible quality for gaming. Sony Trinitron Wega CRT hdtv. Thats why I am having such a hard time trying to match its quality with these LCD tvs. But I am stubborn and will not give up until I find the new tv I want.
 
.... Personally, Plasmas would be the closest to CRT for you, rather than the LCD or LED, due to Plasma being around for a fair bit longer than LCD and LED and having more quality attached to it in terms of viewing quality.
 
CAMAROBOY69
Yup that was my 6 year old tv. Huge and heavy but had incredible quality for gaming. Sony Trinitron Wega CRT hdtv. Thats why I am having such a hard time trying to match its quality with these LCD tvs. But I am stubborn and will not give up until I find the new tv I want.
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Yeah i know how you feel i had a 27" Toshiba from 1994 i loved it , it even looked alot better than my parents 5 year old Samsung LCD but same as you i needed a wide screen , now i got 42" Panasonic plasma nothing bad to say about picture quality kinda lacks imputs though but for $650 bucks i cant complain i guess .
people that say stay away from plasma dont know what there talking about.
 
I need a 32" so Plasma is pretty much out out of the equasion anyway. So its between LCD and LED. I already tried 2 LCDtvs so now its time to try an LED and see how that goes. So no matter what I will be either ordering an LED tv or buying an LED tonight after work. Leaning toward the Samsung but if they have a Sony I could go that route too. I wont know until I get to BB tonight.
 

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