Jaggies / motion blur in new widescreen HDTV (Finally over)

[Moglet]

Screens from my new TV, it's a 40" LED but as you can see there are still some jaggies present. You're just not going to get rid of them!

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Thanks again for the replies. Now what is everyones opinion of LED vs LCD?? Would I get even better output visually if I went with LED? I still have a couple weeks before its too late to return this LG LCD. I spent most of my time researching LCD but maybe I could also look into LED and possibly get a little better results with gaming? I heard LCD and LED are pretty much the same but the LED has backlighting. I will check consumersreports and see what the top rated 32" LED tv is. Oh they dont even list LED.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I am going to have Best Buy order me totally different TV.

Samsung UN32d6000S LED 1080P 120hz
Its on sale for around $800.00. I am going to have them order it for me tomorrow and should have it in about a week.

I just read a bunch of reviews and that Samsung UN32d6000S LED 1080P 120hz tv I posted seems to have issues with light showing up in the corners in dark rooms because of the backlighting. When I watch movies I have all the lights out so that could be an issue. I was planning on buying that Samsung tomorrow for $800.00 but not sure now after reading some of the reviews. This is driving me nuts.

That LED backlighting seems like it would be awesome. Example: If something is blue on your screen it shows a blue light on the back of the tv. Is the LED backlighting really as cool as it sounds or just an annoying gimmick? I am going to Best Buy tomorrow again for sure. Seems like everyone I speek to says something different. At least I have narrowed it down to LCD or LED. What I purchase tomorrow could be a mystery.

If I dont decide what to purchase tomorrow then I will just stick with this LCD LG.

Strange.....This site lists the Sharp AQUOS Series as THE best gaming tv out there. They listed the Sony Bravia XBR Series as the 2nd best tv for gaming. http://www.hdplasmatvreviews.com/best-gaming-tv/#aquos

I just dont know anymore. *pulls remaining hair out*

 

[Moglet]

Our TV is LED backlit and I've not come across any corner lighting issues at all! The difference between the LED backlighting and the standard LCD is huge IMO, especially in dark scenes. The black levels in my new set are absolutely awesome, if you turned the lights off you wouldn't see any 'glow' from the black bits of the screen like you would on a standard LCD. It's very very vivid, but with the darkest of dark blacks and the blinding whites the effect is stunning.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Ok thanks Moglet. Thats good news for sure. So far I am still planning to order the LED Samsung tomorrow.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

This is a killer video explaining the advantages of LED over LCD. I am almost 100% convinced I am switching to the Samsung LED tomorrow. What he pointed out in this video is EXACTLY what I am seeing on my LCDs but it looks like the LED tvs resolve the issue.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

Now I am getting somewhere. Dealing with price matching, I was able to get a better deal at ABC Warehouse. BB wont even price match because they TV is not in stock so it looks like ABC gets my business with this tv. And they have a display model in stock that I can actually look at before the purchase. He said he would sell me the display model for $750.00 but I said no thanks.

Samsung UN32d6000S LED 1080P 120hz
$779.00 ABC Warehouse
$809.00 Best Buy

 

[Moglet]

My Samsung is the UE range which I think is older and it looks brilliant to me. You really won't be disappointed once it's set up and running! 👍

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

The good news is I will get to see it in action today at ABC warehouse because they have a display in stock. I heard there is a light red trim band around the tv. Not sure if I will like that but I guess we will see tonight.
I also just found out this TV will allow you to control the entire tv using your iphone. I think my wife will like that feature along with the other aps on the tv.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

UPDATE: Currently using. SONY BRAVIA KDL-32EX523 1080p 60hz $669.00

LED does indeed look a LOT better than LCD.

I went to the store 99% positive I was going to buy the Samsung. BUT it was setting right next to the Sony. The Sony had instant better blacks and colors default but the Samsung handled the jaggies and motion blur much better. We tried for an hour and a half and could not get the color or the blacks on the Samsung to look as good as the color or blacks of the Sony. Found out the Samsung doesnt allow PIP for ever imput, only for cable. The Sony allowed PIP with ANY imput which was another instant selling point for me since I always like to play GT5 B-Spec at the same time as playing the 360. And if I wanted I could watch a blu-ray movie at the same time while I am playing the 360. The pip also had a ton of options and adjustments as you can see in the pics I posted. Plus not being able to dial in the color or blacks to match the Sony also drove me nuts. So I went with the Sony even though it was only 60 hz which is probably why it was $100.00 cheaper than the Samsung. I was also impressed that the sales rep actually sat patiently with me for over an hour and a half while we messed with both tvs. Great guy for sure. Since they didnt have the Samsung in stock, I bought the Sony to compare LED to LCD. I had the sales rep order me the 120hz Samsung so I could try it out as the 4th and last tv on my list. It should arrive Tuesday or Wednesday. If the Samsung doesnt beat this Sony then I will be keeping the Sony. One thing is for sure, LED tvs look a LOT better than LCD tvs.

Once I got the Sony home it took over 30 minutes to find the cable channels which was the longest of all 3 tvs. A bit strange since we only have a few cable channels. The Sony was very dark with the factory settings so I had to turn up the brightness and the backlighting and adjusted the color just a little. Found out it is dark from the factory for the energy saving. I used the Sony over the entire weekend and the Jaggies are a little less visible compared to the LCD tvs. I LOVE the colors with this LED. LOVE them!! This tv is the closest tv in terms of color and clearity to my Sony Trinitron Wega. The most strange part about this tv is that it sets Gran Turismo 5 to 1080i instead of 1080p. However it sets Blu-Ray movies to 1080p and 360 to 1080p. One thing is for sure. The PIP or P&P is just awesome. I really love having that feature. I didnt show in the pics but the P&P lets you change each screen any size you want. You can even go 50/50 with the P&P. Now that I have this new HDTV that has P&P and PIP I ran a LOT of b-spec this weekend. My driver went from level 20 to level 38 over the weekend. Ran him for 9hours straight on Friday then 12 hours straight on Saturday while I played the 360. Then about another 9 hours on Sunday.

I also ran a test using the component cables from my 360 and used the HDMI from Heathers 360. Had them side by side using the 50/50 pip and they looked identical. So the people that seem to preach and claim HDMI is a "lot" better than component are not correct. They look dang near identical.

Component vs HDMI (Identical)

LED

LCD

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

1/19/12 Samsung follow up. The Samsung said something on the box about 240 refresh rate but everything I looked up said it is 120hz so not sure about that.

I picked up the Samsung last night and set it side by side next to the Sony Bravia. I had my 360 on the Sony and Heathers 360 hooked to the Samsung. I put TDU2 into both games side by side same and went to the same locations in the game. First went to the casino then hit the start button to check the colors. After that went to the map layout to see the overall view of the city on both screens. In terms of screen tearing, blurring, and Anti Aliassing the Samsung dominated in this category. It was mind blowing the difference. Just simply rotating left and right I could see the difference instantly and even more on the overlooking birds eye map of the city. The Sony was VERY blurry and jagged with movement. The Samsung was very fluid in motion. Very very impressive.

So below I will list the pros and cons of each tv.

SONY BRAVIA KDL-32EX523 1080p 60hz
Pros
-Color is incredible
-P&P with a lot of options. Also has PIP but I dont care for PIP
-Anti glare front screen
-Remote and menus are very easy to navigate
-Blu-Ray Movies look amazing
-Overall I really love this TV

Cons
-Motion blur is terrible, VERY jagged. Very poor refresh rate probably because of 60hz. This is very bad because I want this TV for games and movies

Samsung UN32d6000SF LED 1080P 240hz/120hz
Pros
-The motion blur with movement is incredible. Very smooth. Probably because of 240/120hz. This is really all this tv has going for it.

Cons
-Color just doesnt even come close to the Sony
-No P&P. Only PIP and that only can be used with tv channels. Worthless to me.
-Very shiny front screen
-Remote and menus are clunky to navigate.
-Blu-Ray Movies seemed to have jitters, hesitation in some action scenes. Very strange looking.

So the conclusion between these 2 is that even though the Samsung dominates in refresh rate and the motion blur is very smooth, I prefer EVERYTHING else about the Sony. So I need a Sony with the refresh rate of the Samsung and then I will finally be happy. Bad news, they dont have any Sony in 32" with 120hz. The good news, kinda, is that they have a Sony 1080p 240hz 3D HDTV but it is a 40" for $1,000. The max distance I sit from the TV is about 7' unless I wall mount it then I might get 8' max. That distance might be ok for 40". So Friday I am going to ABC Warehouse with my 360 and I plan to test this TV in person. I dont care about the 3D, I just want a Sony with 120hz or 240hz. So if I am pleased with the results of the 360 hooked to the 40 Sony then that will offically be my new tv.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

THE BATTLE IS OVER!!!!

Finally after almost a month of trial and error, I found the perfect flat panel HDTV. It involved taking my 360 to ABC Warehouse but at least I found the one I wanted. I even hooked to a couple LCD tvs, LED tvs, and some Plasmas. The competition was quite tough between the LED Samsung and the LED Sony but the winner of best HDTV for gaming and movies for me is the........

5. Sony BRAVIA KDL-40EX720 40" 3D LED-LCD TV 120hz 240 motionflow 3d $1,000.

This is by far THE best looking tv out of LCD, LED, or Plasmas. Picture quality, clarity, whites, darks, and colors just looked incredible on this tv. It also had the P&P that I wanted. The front was also semi gloss which is really nice to reduce reflections. I still need to pick up some 3d glasses sometime but I wasnt too concerned with that feature anyway. Its really just an extra free bonus. I found out I currently have 4 games that support 3d. GT5, GOW3, Crysis 1, and Halo CE Anniversary. I did have to adjust the motionflow for movies. It looked a bit fake by default so I think I set the motionflow to standard or something like that. Easy adjustment. But other than a few minor tweaks to the brightness, this tv just looks incredible right out of the box.

One thing that really surprised me was when I started hooking to Plasmas. The first Plasma tv I hooked too was 600hz refresh rate but had terrible motion blur. In fact it was the worst motion blur I had seen between LED, LCD, and Plasma. It was an LG tv so then I tried a Samsung Plasma and it looked a lot better. But in all honesty, this Sony just crushed the plasmas I hooked up to. Seriously it wasnt much of a competition at all. This 40" Sony Bravia with 120hz 240 motionflow really walked away from the competition with its head held high. So if you are interrested in a new flat panel HDTV, I highly suggest this TV. 👍

Also thanks to everyone that contributed. The replies, and help are all greatly appreciated.