Kazunori Yamauchi Responds to Gran Turismo 7 Fan Outrage

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AlexWilmot
You’re telling me you’ve done all the licenses, all the missions, all the menu books and all the circuit experiences in 15-20 hours?
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You only need to get the B and A Licenses (bronze or higher), the Dragon Trail circuit experience (bronze or higher), and I think a few missions? to finish the career mode.

So, yes.

And I'll do you one better: a player who knows what he's doing could easily complete the career mode in less than 10 hours. Something like 2/3 of the menu books are just about getting cars you can buy at the dealerships, and you never need to actually win anything to progress.
 
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soc123_au
You dragged out 38 cafe menus for 30 hours? Did you do the races in reverse? There aint 30 hours in there bro.
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Well, "bro", there is. I mean, if you ONLY count the time you are on the track, probably 20 hours. But putting parts on your car, tuning it to compete (some of the last books are tougher), then yeah - easily 30 hours. I consider that part of the game.

And I know @McLaren you mentioned I AM affected by it, but I'm really really not. I can appreciate a lot are, but that's not the case for me. I understand what you're saying, but for me I just know I'll have to wait a while to get the cars I want. Same as in Sport and 6. But I'm not even thinking about it really, I usually race with my buddies when I have a free evening
 
Gt79
Actually Cafe main career story whatever you want to call it can be done in 5 hours, licenses on bronze excluding the bugs can be done in couple of hours, missions are not part of the career, they just extras
So 7 hours in total
That's me being generous
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Thing is, nobody actually just rushes through a Gran Turismo game. They're not really designed for speedrunning, you know?
 
ScottPye20
I'm not pissed off, I'm not bitter and I'm not going to throw dirt around and make stupid conspiracies about how Sony is "pushing" everybody into these microtransactions. What I'm going to say will probably anger a lot of people, potentially resulting in labels such as "tone deaf" and "insensitive". Nobody is forcing you to buy credits, nobody is forcing you to buy ultra-expensive cars and nobody is forcing you to grind. The decision to "grind" is only influenced by your desire to acquire cars that are expensive. If you don't have a desire for this, you won't feel the need to waste hours of your time repeating the same race. There is no point going to town accusing the developers of neglect when they've probably worked tirelessly to get the game to where it is. GT was in a hole, I was in a hole, not knowing whether PD had it in them to make something DECENT after soo many missteps. GT7 has given me more hope than ever before and I know that things will get even better with the promised updates. I know that many will want to get their pitchforks out and burn PD at the stake but what good is that going to do? You may be happy doing this in the short term but GT7 is game that will stick around for quite a while so we can't ignore it. No point giving it a bad name now or the people who genuinely enjoy the game, like me, will suffer. I want PD to overcome this situation, learn from it and deliver more content. GT7 is a great package; don't write it off.
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I want to play with expensive cars in racing games to have fun. I already won’t own these in real life and now they’re out of reach in a game unless I grind or just pay for credits as they intended.

Complaining about things doesn’t make people babies and people here are likely fans of the franchise that bought this game on day one. A few years ago, Forza Motorsports got blasted by fans and media for loot boxes and they removed them. Hopefully Sony and PD react the same way. This is a $70+ game and shouldn’t have scummy f2p economics and FOMO tactics to sell credits.
 
NICKname
You only need to get the B and A Licenses (bronze or higher), the Dragon Trail circuit experience (bronze or higher), and I think a few missions? to finish the career mode.

So, yes.

And I'll do you one better: a player who knows what he's doing could easily complete the career mode in less than 10 hours. Something like 2/3 of the menu books are just about getting cars you can buy at the dealerships, and you never need to actually win anything to progress.
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Ahh ok so now we’re moving goal posts gotcha
 
Benny44
But putting parts on your car, tuning it to compete (some of the last books are tougher), then yeah - easily 30 hours.
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They're not tough at all, they're only relatively tough if you want to win. But there's no need to win, you never need to win anything to progress.

And considering that the rubber banding is programmed so that only the two cars at the front of the field are harder to catch, getting 3rd is easy in any race.
 
Benny44
Well, "bro", there is. I mean, if you ONLY count the time you are on the track, probably 20 hours. But putting parts on your car, tuning it to compete (some of the last books are tougher), then yeah - easily 30 hours. I consider that part of the game.

And I know @McLaren you mentioned I AM affected by it, but I'm really really not. I can appreciate a lot are, but that's not the case for me. I understand what you're saying, but for me I just know I'll have to wait a while to get the cars I want. Same as in Sport and 6. But I'm not even thinking about it really, I usually race with my buddies when I have a free evening
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Like the rest of us though you have been conned into paying £70 for a free to play game. You may not be bothered about this but that is the reality of the situation unless a patch is released that completely rehauls the game.

A F2P model essentially gives the player the carcass of a game for free (in GT7's case this is the tracks and a handful of untuned cars). The player then has to grind or pay in order to unlock further aspects of the game (more cars as well as the ability to paint, modify, and tune them).

This has to be spread over hundreds of hours worth of game time, and that game time has to be a chore (atleast to many), in order to encourage MTX spending, mainly from 'whales'.
 
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Benny44
And I know @McLaren you mentioned I AM affected by it, but I'm really really not. I can appreciate a lot are, but that's not the case for me. I understand what you're saying, but for me I just know I'll have to wait a while to get the cars I want. Same as in Sport and 6. But I'm not even thinking about it really, I usually race with my buddies when I have a free evening
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That's you being affected by it. You're just saying it doesn't bother you that the in-game economy's structure has been influenced by a real world value.
 
MrNukki
Thing is, nobody actually just rushes through a Gran Turismo game. They're not really designed for speedrunning, you know?
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It’s a racing game that doesn’t come with a 30 hour story mode like a God of War or something. Time spent in career or mission length mostly depends on your skill. I easily blasted through the content in a couple of days playing after work. The cafe honestly felt like a tutorial with nothing else after.
 
Gt79
@MrNukki
Thing is we talking numbers and numbers don't lie, this game is short asf
Obviously I took my time, hell I have like 60 hours of screwing around, it's just main campaign or whatever it is Is pretty short
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It is short, yes, but it's not 7 hours short.

FoxMulder
It’s a racing game that doesn’t come with a 30 hour story mode like a God of War or something. Time spent in career or mission length mostly depends on your skill. I easily blasted through the content in a couple of days playing after work. The cafe honestly felt like a tutorial with nothing else after.
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That's fine, I am taking my time and I feel like the story mode is not awfully short. But yeah, cafe is just a handholding tutorial that just eventually ends the singleplayer portion.
 
Took me a month to beat fm7, ai is actually challenging and races were diverse, i played mostly on 80% difficulty, no rewind, 100% was a bit too much for me
Here ai on hard is like a tourist difficulty in Forza, I can just take a car 200 pp lower than suggested and still come 3rd, 3rd means win in café btw
 
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AlexWilmot
You’re telling me you’ve done all the licenses, all the missions, all the menu books and all the circuit experiences in 15-20 hours?
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@NICKname you still haven’t answered the question though, if it’s soo easy to complete in 5hours you should be able to answer this
 
Why are people not allowed to say they think the content is pathetic if they think it's pathetic though?

The missions and licences are daft bonus tasks, they're hardly part of some absorbing single player experience.

The cafe is a series of rolling start races and a dialogue system that looks like it was ripped from a Newgrounds life sim.
 
Gt79
Actually Cafe main career story whatever you want to call it can be done in 5 hours, licenses on bronze excluding the bugs can be done in couple of hours, missions are not part of the career, they just extras
So 7 hours in total
That's me being generous
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Indeed. I see arguments that "you need to go for gold in all licences and missions", and well yes you try a few times of course, but if attempting to gold that 19 second long time trial on your 67th attempt isn't mindless and boring grinding (without any pay for 98% of attempts mind you) then I don't know what is.
 
MrNukki
Yeah I don't keep up with speedrunning, but man, there's a speedrun for everything nowadays, jeez.
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This game doesn't have any particular story to follow, so speed run for this is actually acceptable, if you need to do something more important
 
AlexWilmot
If you guys want to say how pathetic the content in GT7 is and not even finish the content available then I think the argument is “pathetic”
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I've seen the ending movie play. I've finished the game.

I've never heard of a game's lineair story mode supposedly not actually being completed until you've 100% completed the entire game. That's something else, that's completing the bonus material. Imagine saying that you haven't finished GTA V until you've done all the parachute missions or whatever.
 
pbchillin
I'd be happy if they just made it so the ticket you get for the Daily Workout was always a car like in GT Sport.
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To me it was 90% vw gti, so I don't really care much for tickets here
I did get an invitation to a car I already had an invitation of which I don't really care much, it's veneno and it's 3,6 mil of grind I simply can't be bothered with
 
NICKname
I've seen the ending movie play. I've finished the game.

I've never heard of a game's lineair story mode supposedly not actually being completed until you've 100% completed the entire game. That's something else, that's completing the bonus material. Imagine saying that you haven't finished GTA V until you've done all the parachute missions or whatever.
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15-20hours though?
 

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