Kazunori Yamauchi Responds to Gran Turismo 7 Fan Outrage

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Every aspect of the game in it's current form is reliant on either MTX or unrealistically achievable grinding. If I don't get my wallet out I cannot even paint a car the way I want without playing a race I don't want to play for the nth time.

Maybe that is a strange coincidence though...

Your logic is as faulty as mine. See how this turns into a lovely discussion?

I don't disagree in saying that PD could do worse so this is ok, I would rather never see another MTX again in any game, but that is wishful thinking. I believe that even without MTX, the GT7 economy wouldn't change. I have no quote or facts to back that up, that is just my feeling.

And there is already many races and cars you can enjoy. Once again, I haven't gotten to the end of the Café menu, but I already have 50+ cars in my garage, and I would guess by the end I will have 100+ cars without buying any of them. That is quite a number of cars to enjoy, not all of them, but he didn't say all either. 100+ cars for playing through the campaign of the game in it's current state is more than some games entire car list.
You do realise those 50-100 cars need tuning up don't you? Which isn't free.
 
I'm not pissed off, I'm not bitter and I'm not going to throw dirt around and make stupid conspiracies about how Sony is "pushing" everybody into these microtransactions. What I'm going to say will probably anger a lot of people, potentially resulting in labels such as "tone deaf" and "insensitive". Nobody is forcing you to buy credits, nobody is forcing you to buy ultra-expensive cars and nobody is forcing you to grind. The decision to "grind" is only influenced by your desire to acquire cars that are expensive. If you don't have a desire for this, you won't feel the need to waste hours of your time repeating the same race. There is no point going to town accusing the developers of neglect when they've probably worked tirelessly to get the game to where it is. GT was in a hole, I was in a hole, not knowing whether PD had it in them to make something DECENT after soo many missteps. GT7 has given me more hope than ever before and I know that things will get even better with the promised updates. I know that many will want to get their pitchforks out and burn PD at the stake but what good is that going to do? You may be happy doing this in the short term but GT7 is game that will stick around for quite a while so we can't ignore it. No point giving it a bad name now or the people who genuinely enjoy the game, like me, will suffer. I want PD to overcome this situation, learn from it and deliver more content. GT7 is a great package; don't write it off.
If you think the blatant push towards microtransactions is a "stupid conspiracy" then, no offence, you clearly aren't paying attention.
 
I decided not to buy GT7 when it was announced it would not be PS5 exclusive.
I'm obviously not regretting that decision after reading the various posts about the game on here but I'm pretty sure I'm getting more enjoyment reading them than I would playing it. 🙂 Still hoping it eventually gets the content and bugs fixed over the next couple of years but still unsure if I'll buy even then. I've bought all the GT games except 6 and 7. Think they really need to change their ideas into what most gamers want and grinding and micro transactions is definitely not it.
 
So my favourite race car of all time, the Sauber C9, is in the legendary dealership. It costs 3m credits, I have 1.5m. I have limited free time over the next few days because I’m busy. So I need to earn credits fast if I want any chance of buying the car before it disappears.

Even if I grind the most efficient money making race, it will still take me well over an hour of doing the exact same boring race over and over again. In Kaz’s statement, this is exactly the thing he is supposedly trying to avoid players having to do. But it is clearly still the case that we have to do it to get access to the cars we want to buy.

Unless we use the micro transactions… on principle, there’s no way I’m doing that. What Kaz said is utter bull, because it’s clear the game is set up to prey on people for micro transactions and this update just makes it even worse
 
The GT series creator states that he would like to avoid a situation where players are “mechanically … replaying certain events over and over again” (also known as “grinding”)

Does he even realise that by destroying race payouts people need to grind even more to get the cars they want? If reducing the grind is really his goal, then he should have increased the race payouts.
 
The GT series creator states that he would like to avoid a situation where players are “mechanically … replaying certain events over and over again” (also known as “grinding”)

Does he even realise that by destroying race payouts people need to grind even more to get the cars they want? If reducing the grind is really his goal, then he should have increased the race payouts.
Of course he realizes this, he's not stupid. It's just a lie.
 
Yeah, after this I think I'm done. I was already on the fence coming into GT7's release, but it's infinitely clear that the slog of moronic design choices is not enough to get through to a couple of good things or good enough to justify paying $100 for a copy in Canadian fun bucks.
I'm think of giving GT7 a break for 6 months or until they fix the game. I used to be massive fan of the franchise but I don't feel lthat excitement anymore to play it. I might get my old ps2 out and play through GT3 and 4 for the next 6 months.
 
The GT series creator states that he would like to avoid a situation where players are “mechanically … replaying certain events over and over again” (also known as “grinding”)

Does he even realise that by destroying race payouts people need to grind even more to get the cars they want? If reducing the grind is really his goal, then he should have increased the race payouts.
Exactly. Kaz should to try to win rainy events without rain tires. GT series is all about grind. I have got 820 000 after company finished. Even all prize cars aren't enough to win all events if you are not super top player. And 820 000 is not enough for future gr2, gr1, grx, f1 events.Should I finish company 5 times or grind 1 race for 24 hours? Or I need to play another games till they will make normal events?
 
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I decided not to buy GT7 when it was announced it would not be PS5 exclusive.
I'm obviously not regretting that decision after reading the various posts about the game on here but I'm pretty sure I'm getting more enjoyment reading them than I would playing it. 🙂 Still hoping it eventually gets the content and bugs fixed over the next couple of years but still unsure if I'll buy even then. I've bought all the GT games except 6 and 7. Think they really need to change their ideas into what most gamers want and grinding and micro transactions is definitely not it.
I do get enjoyment playing it. If I weren't, I'd be angry about the game being bad, not about it having a boring, uninspired career mode and hiding most of its content behind a grind-/paywall.

I recommend to my friends to get it when it drops into the 20€ region and don't expect to drive the cool cars from the trailers.
 
Agreed.

I seriously don't think that these people have whipped out a basic calculator to understand how broken the grind rate is.
No need to even pull out the calculator, since Famine has already done that for everyone:

It's not even subjective. It's objectively the slowest grind in any GT game, a series which has been notorious for years for already being a slow grind.
 
I will only say one thing Gran Turismo 4 had all the same **** that 7 has but more in volume it had 3 used car lots it had many many cars you could sell your car you had to unlock rare cars it had photos and it came once not in patches dlcs and "microtransactions" i paid 100 euros for a game that its content isnt worth half that and is inferior to a predecesor
 
Orly lol

GT sport has a 8 lap race that pays out 240,000

Highest payout in GT7 is 70,000

Then these some bs fan fav car prices.

GT sport R34 gtr - 61,000
GT7 R34 gtr - 450,000

Lol how in the hell you gonna say it cant be proven GT7 is gymped to push player towards mega transactions with that blatent facts ?

Then theres the timed invite ability to buy certain cars, ya sure buddy sure that doesnt encourage Mtx.

I got 12,320,000 worth of cars i will lose the ability to buy in a few days. Plus another 6,000,000 worth in legend car dealership that will dissapear soon.

GT7 scumbeg push for MTX is unarguable.
Just like the the Crew 2 where a lot of cars are like 200k when they are not suppose to be originally.

Its all geared towards making us pay rather than doing the exhausting grind.
 
I'm think of giving GT7 a break for 6 months or until they fix the game. I used to be massive fan of the franchise but I don't feel lthat excitement anymore to play it. I might get my old ps2 out and play through GT3 and 4 for the next 6 months.
I don't know how people do this, but I wish I could. It's the physics that ruin the old titles for me. In their day they were ok, but now it's just arcade racing.

Aside from some bugs/issues that's what I love about GT7, the new physics and track surface detail. I want them to deliver on the other aspects of the game so I enjoy it as much as I did GT1, 2, 3, 4 and even 5 and 6 and Sport. I actually didn't mind the Cafe menu thing, but overall the campaign is too short and the grind is a big issue. They can fix all of this so easily. Fix up the issues with Sport mode and custom races and drastically increase the payouts for these modes. On top of that expand the campaign so that it progresses further. The only other big issue is terrible AI and the need for chase the rabbit to hide the terrible AI. This one might be harder to fix.

The core functionality of driving the cars on the tracks is great, which is why it's so much more painful that everything else lets it down.
 
Kaz really stepped in it when he said one magic word that absolutely triggers people - patience. OK, he didn't actually say 'patience', but he basically did. He acknowledged that he didn't want people grinding races, and said he'd have more content soon and to look at it from a longer term point of view.

GT5 and 6 were the same at launch, before seasonal and extra events were added. The difference is that now people are SO impatient. Give it a month or two, I'm sure we will have better options to get money. It'll always take a while, just hopefully less than it does now.

Everything is there for this to go down as one of the great GT games, closer to 2 and 4. Yes, everything was there at launch for those. But that's just not how games work these days. It's a bit sad, but that's the reality for all but a handful of games.

And please, for the love of everyhing, don't buy MTX! Show them with your wallet. Whether it's Sony or PD, it doesn't matter. MTX are awful things and they're so common. They're also trash. I'm sorry if you have an addiction problem, but everyone else just DON'T BUY THEM!
 
Of course he realizes this, he's not stupid. It's just a lie.
He didn't even bother explaining why the game has MTs in the first place. If he truly believes that cars should hold prestige and rarity like real life, and as he claims he wants people to experience lots of events, why is he even offering anyone the opportunity to just buy them with real money and circumvent it all? It's entirely contradictory.

I'd like someone to ask him why we went from "categorically no MTs in GT Sport" to "we added them to GTS" to "GT7 will have them day one and they will dictate the entire economy and in-game functions".

If the answer is, as some people claim, Sony, then have some balls and call them out. Put the pressure on them, what are they gonna do, sack him?
 
Yes, I understand the frustration, some have much less time to play than others, and I am dissapointed too. XJ13 would have been too much to grind for. I am glad I never attempted that, it sold out last night.

Still, some calling others to boycott the game? Oh come on, this is a free world we live in mostly. You do your thing, while I now will begin my 7 hour grind, to buy a 500 Mondial, and then an Aston Martin Vulcan (expires at 1.59 am on Sunday so it will be close, despite no plans outside gaming and F1 watching today) 🏁
 
A solution that i'm sure the bean counters at Sony wouldn't like, is to allow us to sell cars for credits. Why that has been removed makes absolutely no sense. (OFC we KNOW why, but still...) It didn't in GT Sport, it doesn't here. For the 'bigger' races, have a roulette wheel for the legendary prize cars. The races don't need to be quick and simple, but the prize must reflect the effort put in. Don't get the car you want? Okay, sell it, do the race again until you do, or continue until you have enough to buy the car you want from brand central outright. Selling expensive cars for large credit sums reduces the need to "replay the same race over and over again", Kaz.

Also, have the used cars selection also part of brand central, not its own thing where the page barely refreshes, effectively locking them off from availability. The fact these features have been removed/tweaked in the way they have, scream to me that MTX's have become the focus and the recent statement is completely hollow. They're just not happy that we're not happy abut the MTX focus.
 
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A solution that i'm sure the bean counters at Sony wouldn't like, is to allow us to sell cars for credits. Why that has been removed makes absolutely no sense. (OFC we KNOW why, but still...) It didn't in GT Sport, it doesn't here. For the 'bigger' races, have a roulette wheel for the legendary prize cars. The races don't need to be quick and simple, but the prize must reflect the effort put in. Don't get the car you want? Okay, sell it, do the race again until you do, or continue until you have enough to buy the car you want from brand central outright.

Also, have the used cars selection also part of brand central, not its own thing where the page barely refreshes, effectively locking them off from availability. The fact these features have been removed/tweaked in the way they have, scream to me that MTX's have become the focus and the recent statement is completely hollow. They're just not happy that we're not happy abut the MTX focus.
Selling cars should definitely be a thing. Would help them casual gamers (in terms of time spent) get slightly more credits. While still not hurt the "exclusiveness" of the expensive legend cars 🤔
 
One of the consistent main complaints from reviewers was about how lackluster the payouts are and how grindy the game is. They then proceed to release an update two weeks later that makes this aspect even worse, on purpose! It says a lot about how tone deaf and trashy these companies are, but what's really upsetting is just how blatant and ballsy this all is. They knew people had a problem with this, came up with solutions for it, then they came in and "corrected" it. This shows how much they don't care, they all deserve to be dragged and shamed for this.
 
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Yes, I understand the frustration, some have much less time to play than others, and I am dissapointed too. XJ13 would have been too much to grind for. I am glad I never attempted that, it sold out last night.

Still, some calling others to boycott the game? Oh come on, this is a free world we live in mostly. You do your thing, while I now will begin my 7 hour grind, to buy a 500 Mondial, and then an Aston Martin Vulcan (expires at 1.59 am on Sunday so it will be close, despite no plans outside gaming and F1 watching today) 🏁
Sure, if that’s something you wanna keep doing, fine! If some day however, you don’t have to grind though, because they suddenly improved the in-game economy, well, thank us boycotters, you’re welcome.

I won’t install the game again until micro transactions are gone altogether, which will never happen, so bye GT! Up yours!
 
Tips for players, who have less time to drive, but really want a specific expensive legendary car, which is or will be very expensive, once it releases one day.

Start saving credits now. Slowly but surely, you will reach 2 milllion mark, 5, 10, 15..

I think this is your best bet, sadly. That is if you still want to play GT7, but you have limited time to grind for credits, and not wanting to buy credits. And you really want that legendary Ferrari or something..

Sure, if that’s something you wanna keep doing, fine! If some day however, you don’t have to grind though, because they suddenly improved the in-game economy, well, thank us boycotters, you’re welcome.

I won’t install the game again until micro transactions are gone altogether, which will never happen, so bye GT! Up yours!
Yes, I will thank you. Wrote a 2* review on metacritic. It did not reflect my personal opinion (5 or 6, various issues dragging an initial first days of the game 8 down).

Not to say, I am part of the boycott gang. Just wanted to show a little support for those who boycott and/or are very dissapointed, even just a little bit.
 
Kaz really stepped in it when he said one magic word that absolutely triggers people - patience. OK, he didn't actually say 'patience', but he basically did. He acknowledged that he didn't want people grinding races, and said he'd have more content soon and to look at it from a longer term point of view.

GT5 and 6 were the same at launch, before seasonal and extra events were added. The difference is that now people are SO impatient. Give it a month or two, I'm sure we will have better options to get money. It'll always take a while, just hopefully less than it does now.

Everything is there for this to go down as one of the great GT games, closer to 2 and 4. Yes, everything was there at launch for those. But that's just not how games work these days. It's a bit sad, but that's the reality for all but a handful of games.

And please, for the love of everyhing, don't buy MTX! Show them with your wallet. Whether it's Sony or PD, it doesn't matter. MTX are awful things and they're so common. They're also trash. I'm sorry if you have an addiction problem, but everyone else just DON'T BUY THEM!
It's more that he came out and made a statement claiming he doesn't want players to have to grind while simultaneously reducing the payout of races.

If he'd said "sorry, we will fix x, y, and z, but for the time being we are going to increase payouts across the board to lessen the grind needed" I wouldn't be 'triggered'.
 

I'm one of the ones who isn't affected by MTX, simply because I've never bought them and they don't tempt me. At all. That said, I know for a lot it is troubling because it's hard to hold off getting that sweet money when it's not readily available.

I enjoyed the video though, and it's critical in the right way - not calling out a single person - like so many on here just blaming Yamauchi and saying it's his fault and calling him all sorts of things. I have a feeling this guy is right. He has to walk the political tightrope of keeping Sony happy and keeping his job. If he did what most are suggesting, he'd most likely lose his job and he'd be replaced. I believe he truly loves GT and does want people to enjoy all the content. I think we'll get all of what we want, in time.

It's a very new game, and targeting impatient players to have the best of the shiny new game is a surefire way to make lots of extra money. Once that honeymoon period is over, I think it'll get better with payouts. This is what I think will happen, so we'll see.
 
People are impatient! 🙄
Simple is that. 😜
They want millions in days.
Platinum trophy in weeks.
You have to deserve it, and fight for it my friends... a LOT!!! 👍 🙂
This game is not for months, this is for YEARS!
It's meant to be a loooong adventure.
So stop complaining, and enjoy the ride, or simple play anything else, if you want quick progression.
Someone in the community is already 2 trophies away from platinum, after two weeks from the game release, for christ sake! 🙏
So I'm totally understand polyphony's decision to make the credit progress a lot harder.
I've already finished the Cafe Books, and have a lot of cars in my collection, because of that i don't have anything to complain about.
I really don't mind if i earn the platinum trophy, and all of the cars; in 2023 Christmas... 🎄😉😜
If you are an "instant get" type of person, not a problem: there is microtransactions for you... 🤣
(beside of that; it's still much much cheaper than iRacing... The holly grail of PC SimRacers... 🤣)
 
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I cannot show a real factual data which proves a counter argument to your opinion. And I do not believe that you can provide real factual data that shows that PD developed the game to encourage MTX.
There's evidence that the game was built around MTs, but it's circumstantial. However, eventually there's enough circumstantial evidence that it becomes reasonable to assume the conclusion. There's a lot of design choices in GT7 that are really, really odd if the intent is not to push MTs. Odd enough that seeing them from a 25 year old development studio is almost unbelievable.

These are professional developers, they know how game economies and microtransactions work. That they happened to end up with a system that so strongly encourages MT purchases seems wildly unlikely unless you assume a very high level of incompetence.
The economy is tuned to encourage tuning up your personal car of choice and making it your own. If the game handed out money and/or reduced the cost of cars, then why would one bother customizing a car to themselves when you can just 'buy a better car'.
We can see this in Forza Horizon. Yes, there's maybe less personal attachment to any given car. But people absolutely still bother customising cars. I think it's encouraged in a system where money and cars are more available, because there's no reason not to if you think it's fun.

In a game like GT7 where credits are scarce, there's a real gameplay decision to make about whether experimenting with a weird build is going to be a waste of hard-earned money that could have been better used on something more obviously good. Encouraging those decisions can be a good thing, but it doesn't encourage experimentation and building your own special car if you want to win races.
There is no consistent rate going on right now. Online races pay practically nothing unless you're in the top 3, which only encourages people to grind offline races. There are no signs of intentional design going on in these payouts. It might as well be an intern with an Excel spreadsheet balancing this stuff.
But... if you're not encouraging people to play online then you won't have to pay for as many online servers. The hardcore people will still play and you'll still get the marketing benefit of the big competitions, but with the minimum amount of people stressing your server hardware.

This is a bit conspiracy theory. But the garbage payouts for racing online are very weird given that you'd think they'd want to encourage people to play them.
GT5 and 6 were the same at launch, before seasonal and extra events were added. The difference is that now people are SO impatient. Give it a month or two, I'm sure we will have better options to get money. It'll always take a while, just hopefully less than it does now.
People bought a game, and they're impatient for wanting to play it now instead of in a month or two? Wanting to be able to use a product as intended is not impatient or unreasonable.

Do you also tell kids that they're greedy for wanting to eat food every single day?
People are ******* impatient! 🙄
Simple is that. 😜
They want millions in days.
Platinum trophy in weeks.
You have to deserve it, and fight for it my friends... a LOT!!! 👍 🙂
This game is not for months, this is for YEARS!
It's meant to be a loooong adventure.
No, most people just don't want to be doing the same race hundreds of times for months and years. That doesn't seem fun, which is ultimately the point of the game.

If there was a hundred hours of content to work through like GT4 the pushback would be much lower. It's the combination of poor payouts plus incredibly repetitive endgame content that is chafing most.
 
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