Kazunori Yamauchi Responds to Gran Turismo 7 Fan Outrage

[Gt79]

15-20hours though?

Make it less than 3 hours, check please

 

[McLaren]

I've seen the ending movie play. I've finished the game.

I've never heard of a game's lineair story mode supposedly not actually being completed until you've 100% completed the entire game. That's something else, that's completing the bonus material. Imagine saying that you haven't finished GTA V until you've done all the parachute missions or whatever.

I beat all the heists, but going back and completing the Mastermind Challenges for the achievement is extra content I could do.


Would rather amputate my hands.

 

[klondike]

Statement from Kaz absolutely underlines his blinkered and stubborn view of the player experience. He cannot see the wood for the trees. He cannot see that his game is utterly flawed, and instead blaming players for having the wrong attitude.

Grinding is what gamers do when they can't earn comparable in-game currency by playing the game in a progressive way.

On top of that, it's often a staple part of modern gaming, and if Kaz had any kind of perspective outside of the bubble he inhabits, he would understand this.

He would have made a much better 'sandbox' aspect to GT7 so players could 'enjoy' variety whilst also earning credits. You can't just put content that requires thousands of hours to afford, and expect players not to seek out an effective way to make money.

What Kaz completely fails to realise is that every single one of the players 'mechanically' grinding those CRAPPY events would LOVE to be grinding all kinds of different events.

He deserves to get completely slammed IMO.

100 % agree.

I dont mind some grinding. In fact I would love if there was a natural progression in the single player part of the game. Where one started with an rusty old car and build up from there. So when you begin the game you earn small amounts of credits, and win other cars that are just a litle bit better. Then as you progress the cars you win, and the credits you earn increase, so you are more, and more ables to buy better cars, as you progress thorugh the game.

The real problem is they are completely clueless how to make even a simple attempt to build a somewhat resonable progression system.

How about if the events in the start of the careeer payed smaller a amount of credits, and then as a player progress the payouts increase with a meaningfull amount.

And also how about the online part of the game it was posibel to earn some meaning full amount of credits compared to finding a single brainless single player event that for some random weird reason happens to have the best payouts in the game.

Is it really so hard to make a system, where the harder and longer race give the higher payouts. In all these games for so many years. Its like the randomly choose one event that just give the best payout. There is absolutely no corrilation between amount of difficulty of the event compared to the payouts. Its complete braindead system. Even a game studio of 3 people could come up with a better system in like 1 week.

 

[KJF]

I've seen the ending movie play. I've finished the game.

I've never heard of a game's lineair story mode supposedly not actually being completed until you've 100% completed the entire game. That's something else, that's completing the bonus material. Imagine saying that you haven't finished GTA V until you've done all the parachute missions or whatever.

Literally people on this forum who believe nobody has any right to moan about a game unless they've platinum'd it. It's like these people are created in a Sony lab or something

 

[soc123_au]

Well, "bro", there is. I mean, if you ONLY count the time you are on the track, probably 20 hours. But putting parts on your car, tuning it to compete (some of the last books are tougher), then yeah - easily 30 hours. I consider that part of the game.

And I know @McLaren you mentioned I AM affected by it, but I'm really really not. I can appreciate a lot are, but that's not the case for me. I understand what you're saying, but for me I just know I'll have to wait a while to get the cars I want. Same as in Sport and 6. But I'm not even thinking about it really, I usually race with my buddies when I have a free evening

It's nowhere near 30 hours or 20 hours track time. I finished the cafe in about 6 to 7 hours tops. That includes going back and golding the licences I got bronze or silver on first play through and re doing a few races to get 1st that I monged on the first run.


The next 3 licence levels maybe 2 hours if I'm being generous. The missions maybe 8 hours being generous again. Circuit experience I'm not counting as it's exactly the same as GT Sport so, been there, done that.

I'm happy for you if you love the game and are satisfied with what you got for your money. I've enjoyed the game too, it's great fun, I just wish there was more of it.

I'm also happy to wait and have more content added over the coming months and years. But in the meantime I want the ability to use the custom race feature to play the race styles I want to. To do that I need cars and the credits to mod them to suit what is going to be fun for me. As it stands I'd blow a million plus paying for paint chips just to get the liveries I want, then millions more to get the cars. I'm fine to grind a month or 2 to get there, but the economy as it stands it will take years.

The game was advertised to lead us to believe we could do all the things most of us are whinging about. Technically you can. If you open your wallet, or grind for a stupid amount of time. Even if you did every race in the game once before repeating one you would be required to replay every bit of content 10 or more times to get a grid of any of the high end cars. For ONE series. I enjoyed the first play through, probably the 2nd and 3rd. After that I want something a bit different.

This **** is to be expected on a f2p title, not a full price game from a AAA studio.

 

[AlexWilmot]

Literally people on this forum who believe nobody has any right to moan about a gane unless they've platinumed it. It's like these people are created in a Sony lab or something

It’s as if they done all the content available yet they havent

 

[Gt79]

I beat all the heists, but going back and completing the Mastermind Challenges for the achievement is extra content I could do.


Would rather amputate my hands.

Never in my life have I completed anything 100%, that's just waste of time, unless when you actually finish the game normally and it gives you platinum, which is impossible anymore

 

[KJF]

It’s as if they done all the content available yet they havent

People don't want to do all of the content available because they think it's rubbish content. I don't need to gold every mission or licence test to realise I had no interest in it.

There are plenty of ways PD could have introduced a fully fleged campaign mode but instead we have 'the cafe' and a few bonus missions. It's clearly substandard.

 

[Benny44]

Like the rest of us though you have been conned into paying £70 for a free to play game. You may not be bothered about this but that is the reality of the situation unless a patch is released that completely rehauls the game.

A F2P model essentially gives the player the carcass of a game for free (in GT7's case this is the tracks and a handful of untuned cars). The player then has to grind or pay in order to unlock further aspects of the game (more cars as well as the ability to paint, modify, and tune them).

This has to be spread over hundreds of hours worth of game time, and that game time has to be a chore (atleast to many), in order to encourage MTX spending, mainly from 'whales'.

And this is absolutely the problem with these threads. All you want is a negative echo chamber and if anyone is enjoying it, they're wrong. Telling me I'm "conned" for enjoying the game. I've paid a lot more money for a lot less in life. I actually ENJOY the game. Racing online is a massive part of that. Not with strangers (and a big reason I didn't like sport was because that was the main part of the game). I race with IRL friends and have an absolute blast. I probably already have 80 hours into it, so to me that's worth it. If the driving was subpar, or the physics, or anything that affected the core gameplay was not good, I wouldn't enjoy it.

If you want to only drive the rarest cars and use them, then yes, that's brutal. But I like all different types of vehicles, and I love the tuning and customizing and then taking them to race night.

That's you being affected by it. You're just saying it doesn't bother you that the in-game economy's structure has been influenced by a real world value.

See my above comments. It affects me about as much as having to buy things with virtual money in any game would

 

[AlexWilmot]

People don't want to do all of the content available because they think it's rubbish content. I don't need to gold every mission or licence test to realise I had no interest in it.

There are plenty of ways PD could have introduced a fully fleged campaign mode but instead we have 'the cafe' and a few bonus missions. It's clearly substandard.

Doesn’t do the content… says the content is rubbish… umm ok then

 

[Gt79]

People don't want to do all of the content available because they think it's rubbish content. I don't need to gold every mission or licence test to realise I had no interest in it.

There are plenty of ways PD could have introduced a fully fleged campaign mode but instead we have 'the cafe' and a few bonus missions. It's clearly substandard.

I have an Idea
How about locking all those 20,12 or whatever million cars behind some challenges, missions? Oh wait who's gonna buy mtx then
Case closed

 

[Touring Mars]

People are ******* impatient! 🙄
Simple is that. 😜
They want millions in days.
Platinum trophy in weeks.
You have to deserve it, and fight for it my friends... a LOT!!! 👍 🙂
This game is not for months, this is for YEARS!
It's meant to be a loooong adventure.
So stop complaining, and enjoy the ride, or simple play anything else, if you want quick progression.
Someone in the community is already 2 trophies away from platinum, after two weeks from the game release, for christ sake! 🙏
So I'm totally understand polyphony's decision to make the credit progress a lot harder.
I've already finished the Cafe Books, and have a lot of cars in my collection, because of that i don't have anything to complain about.
I really don't mind if i earn the platinum trophy, and all of the cars; in 2023 Christmas... 🎄😉😜
If you are "instant get" type of person, not a problem: there is microtransactions for you... 🤣

Of course GT7 will be around for several years and yes, there is no rush... but...

The price of the most expensive cars in the game, coupled with the low rate of income of Cr. earned from gameplay, the absurd cost of credits via 'microtransactions' and the frankly cynical limit on free credits one can acquire (20 million) makes it nigh on impossible to collect some of these cars without paying an obscene amount of real money for them.

Based on ca. 2 hours of daily gameplay, I can expect to earn ca. 1 million Cr. a week, and half of that is likely to go on regular cars, parts and customisation (otherwise known as 'playing Gran Turismo'...). But even committing 50% of my earning to save up for high end cars will mean a maximum of around 26 million Cr. a year, but crucially we are not allowed to hold this much earned Cr..

In order to buy some of the big ticket cars, one would have to stop spending earned Cr. completely, and play the game for 2 hours a day for 280 days in order to buy just one 20 million Cr. car. That, or top up one's Cr. with real money purchases from the PS Store. But at £16/$21 for just 2 million Cr., that is not a fair option IMO. Of course, this would come at the expense of purchasing any other cars in the game, stopping all upgrades and customisation, and effectively killing much of the game.

So, no. It is not about patience, it's about the in-game economy fundamentally changing the way the game will be experienced by millions of users.

 

[McLaren]

See my above comments. It affects me about as much as having to buy things with virtual money in any game would

Your comments about enjoying the game as is or playing with friends over strangers isn't really relevant.

Once again, all you've basically said is that it doesn't bother you. That's fine, it doesn't change that MXTs has affected everyone to some degree as they interact within' the in-game economy.

 

[soc123_au]

And this is absolutely the problem with these threads. All you want is a negative echo chamber and if anyone is enjoying it, they're wrong. Telling me I'm "conned" for enjoying the game. I've paid a lot more money for a lot less in life. I actually ENJOY the game. Racing online is a massive part of that. Not with strangers (and a big reason I didn't like sport was because that was the main part of the game). I race with IRL friends and have an absolute blast. I probably already have 80 hours into it, so to me that's worth it. If the driving was subpar, or the physics, or anything that affected the core gameplay was not good, I wouldn't enjoy it.

If you want to only drive the rarest cars and use them, then yes, that's brutal. But I like all different types of vehicles, and I love the tuning and customizing and then taking them to race night.


See my above comments. It affects me about as much as having to buy things with virtual money in any game would

Who's smashing you because you enjoy the game? Why do you feel the need to criticise those that aren't. One of the most appealing things about the franchise historically was that everyone could enjoy it in their own way. That option for some of us has been taken away. If PD were transparent about the economy and mtx structure pre release, then fair play. But they didn't because they knew a lot of people would be turned off and not buy it. The deception is what has pissed people off. No one is expecting everything right now, it's fair to assume the grind will exist on a level comparable to previous titles. What we have right now is a whole new animal.

 

[Daxus]

And Kaz don't have to make the game like you want.
Online (Sport mode and lobbies) is a big part of nowadays GTs since GT5, like it or not

Also, completing the basic events you get about 100 cars or so, its ridiculous how much you can do with all those cars.
Never ever in any GT you got so many cars in so little time and some people still cry, its hilarious.

From the 100+ cars I got from the café and missions, I only drove 5 or so and mostly out of necessity because I didn't want to spend extra money on a car I would actually rather have but not use much anyway.

We are looking for quality, not quantity.

And after the café, there isn't a lot more to do if you would like to earn credits and don't want to grind away.

 

[GTGuy-97]

Hello everyone. Over the last few days I’ve been lurking on this forum (great forum btw) and thought I’d chime in.


Having played GT7 pretty every day since launch I think the core game itself is fantastic. I absolutely love the duel sense features that have been implemented are by far some of the best I’ve seen in a PS5 game yet. It looks gorgeous, sound is incredible etc.

There’s so much to love about this game IMO, but like any game it has it flaws. It’s a shame about the server outrage that occurred, but I feel reassured they are able to identify the issue with the patch before it went live and prevented a catastrophe (potential widespread save loss/damage).

About the micro transactions . I can totally understand why this is an issue for most people. It doesn’t bother me too much since I’ve been able to get the cars I want and tuning without feeling like I need to purchase one of those credits packs, but in saying that there needs to be more done to balance out the event rewards and I’m confident these will be addressed over time.


All in all I hope Kaz and the rest of the PD can move forward and address peoples’ concerns. GT is such an important brand not just to Sony, but gaming on a whole. It’s what most of us played when we were just getting into cars.

GT7 has so much untapped potential and I’m looking forward to seeing it evolve.

 

[KJF]

And this is absolutely the problem with these threads. All you want is a negative echo chamber and if anyone is enjoying it, they're wrong. Telling me I'm "conned" for enjoying the game. I've paid a lot more money for a lot less in life. I actually ENJOY the game. Racing online is a massive part of that. Not with strangers (and a big reason I didn't like sport was because that was the main part of the game). I race with IRL friends and have an absolute blast. I probably already have 80 hours into it, so to me that's worth it. If the driving was subpar, or the physics, or anything that affected the core gameplay was not good, I wouldn't enjoy it.

If you want to only drive the rarest cars and use them, then yes, that's brutal. But I like all different types of vehicles, and I love the tuning and customizing and then taking them to race night.


See my above comments. It affects me about as much as having to buy things with virtual money in any game would

I've never once stated that somebody cannot enjoy the game, or express their enjoyment. If we're discussing a negative aspect of gaming however (a F2P game sold at full price for example) we can do without people telling us that we are just impatient, or entitled, or that we cannot complain unless we have completed everything available, even if we don't enjoy what is available.

If you enjoy the game, that's excellent. There are plenty of threads for you to go and discuss your enjoyment. If you want to add your input into this thread, and threads like it, then that's great too, but you have to expect that telling people they 'lack patience' because they're not happy with the gated content of a £70 racing game is going to lead to some pretty grouchy replies.

The racing mechanics are great, it looks gorgeous, the car models are amazing etc, but the structure of the game is preventing people from enjoying it. Telling them that they just need to savour what is on offer or wait is hardly helpful. Not every bit of critique needs a counter argument, especially when the arguments are completely missing the point.

And you can call it being conned or not, you may or may not care, you have paid full price for a game with a F2P model though.

 

[SilentBunny]

metacritic's user score is at 2.5, I think it could be lower

 

[Gt79]

People still confuse this game as some sort of mmo, where you have to play to progress to some sort of end game, it's not, additional cars after campaign is done not required to do races
The only reason why GTs was so successful is because online races did not require a grind in offline races to get upgrades and parts for every car available to do an online races to compete, you had everything for free

 

[greenlightning]

I see thst I made the right move to wait.
Will continue to spend my time with PC2 and AMS2.

Geeze with all the hatred that they have caused everyone. You would think that at the very least they could give everyone like 10 million or if it was me top everyone off at 20 million credits.
Having a credit limit however is just stupid by the way.

There are so so many simple ways to fix the problem, that its pathetic that they are not even willing to make an attemp at it. I would have bonus weekends and or holidays for instance. Which results in prize multipliers and or reduce car, part prices. It sounds like car parts etc. are considerablly above real world prices.

 

[DodgySyrup]

During the life cycle of GT Sport there were those tweets that used to be put out with 2 or 3 cars in shadow, showing the next set of free cars, remember?

My memory is a little hazy, so can anyone remind me how long after the games release we started seeing them, and how regularly were they added?

I have a feeling it was every month, but I'm not sure.

Also, do we know if/when we'll see the same kind of free content?

 

[luvsic engine]

If Kaz wants to simulate real life of racing better, he should raise the reward rather than decrease it, real racing drivers enjoy contracts with high salary and sponsorship, why not add more elements like these.

 

[Factor41]

So my favourite race car of all time, the Sauber C9, is in the legendary dealership. It costs 3m credits, I have 1.5m. I have limited free time over the next few days because I’m busy. So I need to earn credits fast if I want any chance of buying the car before it disappears.

I'm in the same boat, but a million behind you. Time to hit that grind hard. Thank, Kaz.

 

[Gt79]

If Kaz wants to simulate real life of racing better, he should raise the reward rather then decrease it, real racing drivers enjoys contracts with high salary and sponsorship, why not add more elements like these.

Real life racers not to horde as many cars as they can, most of them driving luxury suvs, because that's their end game, to relax between races, this games do not imitate real life of a racer

 

[Zona]

I reckon everyone should stop playing, uninstall the game and leave a negative review on the PlayStation store until they sort out the problems with the game.

 

[DeathGRiP]

Sony and PD next press release will say due to the on going rise in fuel prices you will now be charged 5 credits per litre during races

 

[Gt79]

I reckon everyone should stop playing, uninstall the game and leave a negative review on the PlayStation store until they sort out the problems with the game.

Not gonna change anything, there is still many happy fees who will praise the game for what it is and continue playing it

Sony and PD next press release will say due to the on going rise in fuel prices you will now be charged 5 credits per litre during races

Gotta keep up with realism

 

[HyperSpeeder]

metacritic's user score is at 2.5, I think it could be lower

Review bombing is not gonna do anything.

It's not like Naughty Dog patched Abby out of The Last of Us 2 after launch after she did what she did.

We on the internet like to think we're important, but the hard truth is that no, we aren't. The stats are. Sony is only gonna do something if the number of active players plummets and if people don't buy enough MTX.

In fact, the reason why Ubisoft still pushes MTX after all these years is because, according to themselves, lots of people buy them.

 

[hardvibes]

People are ******* impatient! 🙄
Simple is that. 😜
They want millions in days.
Platinum trophy in weeks.
You have to deserve it, and fight for it my friends... a LOT!!! 👍 🙂
This game is not for months, this is for YEARS!
It's meant to be a loooong adventure.
So stop complaining, and enjoy the ride, or simple play anything else, if you want quick progression.
Someone in the community is already 2 trophies away from platinum, after two weeks from the game release, for christ sake! 🙏
So I'm totally understand polyphony's decision to make the credit progress a lot harder.
I've already finished the Cafe Books, and have a lot of cars in my collection, because of that i don't have anything to complain about.
I really don't mind if i earn the platinum trophy, and all of the cars; in 2023 Christmas... 🎄😉😜
If you are "instant get" type of person, not a problem: there is microtransactions for you... 🤣

I just end up pressing the ignore button whenever I see comments like this. And in the past 24h I've done it quite a lot.

You guys don't understand the concept of balance.
Period.

P.S. You wrote these two sentences in the same comment
"People are ******* impatient!"
"stop complaining"

See what you did there?

 

[Gt79]

Review bombing is not gonna do anything.

It's not like Naughty Dog patched Abby out of The Last of Us 2 after launch after she did what she did.

We on the internet like to think we're important, but the hard truth is that no, we aren't. The stats are. Sony is only gonna do something if the number of active players plummets and if people don't buy enough MTX.

In fact, the reason why Ubisoft still pushes MTX after all these years is because, according to themselves, lots of people buy them.

If mtx sales plummet they will nerf some more and sheeple will still be happy, because you are impatient, apparently
They did it once, they can do it again and call it balancing