Kazunori Yamauchi Responds to Gran Turismo 7 Fan Outrage

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Also seems daft for kaz to say he doesn't want players to grind in gt games as to be honest that is what the series has always been about.

With how bad the a.i. is and the actual racing element there has never been anything to do but grind in the game and try different cars.

He wants to fix the grind they will need to fix the racing element and make it more like the f1 or wrc games.

You get fun challenging racing in those games.


Of course this isnt what they want and they basically want you buying credits to get new cars, which why wpuld anyone do when the racing part is not worth it.
 
B_Springer
People are ******* impatient! 🙄
Simple is that. 😜
They want millions in days.
Platinum trophy in weeks.
You have to deserve it, and fight for it my friends... a LOT!!! 👍 🙂
This game is not for months, this is for YEARS!
It's meant to be a loooong adventure.
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this just reeks of EA style "pride and accomplishment"

oh and yes, the game is meant for years...until they shut the server down and you can't do anything but an arcade mode race
 
GT'er since the first on PSX. Couldn't find a PS5 this holiday season, ended up with a Series S for the kids. Picked up a Forza Motorsport 7 digital coupon for $13 to lick my wounds a bit for while everyone else would be loving GT7.

No regrets.
 
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mika haka
Also seems daft for kaz to say he doesn't want players to grind in gt games as to be honest that is what the series has always been about.

With how bad the a.i. is and the actual racing element there has never been anything to do but grind in the game and try different cars.

He wants to fix the grind they will need to fix the racing element and make it more like the f1 or wrc games.

You get fun challenging racing in those games.


Of course this isnt what they want and they basically want you buying credits to get new cars, which why wpuld anyone do when the racing part is not worth it.
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Dude, the guy is a LIAR, it's been proven time and time again, he's on the same level as Peter Molyneux, Sam Tramiel & Strauss Zelnick
 
Silver Arrows
I knew this was going to come out, lmao. Your white whale...too bad it isn't true. and it has never been the depraved conspiracy you think it actually is. Nor does it take away from what Polyphony are doing right now that you are trying so goddamn hard to avoid and spin onto others.



Sure is better then GT7's in game economy! but then again, as per usual, Forza is the devil to you and you'll take any opportunity to demonize it. Even though, as per usual, you are wrong.



Funny how you never responded to this even though it categorically denied the point you were trying to make then, and now. But as per usual, I know your game with you.


Who the **** cares about clothing items? You win so much money over playing the game, and wheelspins, that getting them in a wheelspin is a minor annoyance at best. But as usual, that's the devil in red to you. And not the fact that in GT Sport and 7, roulette spins are more or less pre-determined and often times land on garbage you don't want, and can't ultimately sell?

Also lmao at that point. FH doesn't need to change anything because it is successful, and even if it does, T10/PG has shown more balls in that regard of not getting their fan base ******** mad and telling them to go pound sand, then Polyphony trying to obfuscate and eventually going through with the bad things anyway. But Forza
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People need to stop comparing FH to GT7... Forza's equivalent to GT7 will be Forza Motorsport 8.
 
The small amount of single player content available at release is a complete embarrassment. Forget all these other complaints. Where are the endurance events? Gr1. Championship? Formula championship? These were all my favorite events in previous GT games and they are nowhere to be found and all we get from this hack is “I wish I could say more”. The only thing keeping me playing this game is the fantastic controls. Otherwise it’s junk. I don’t care about graphics either. I prefer the gameplay over Forza Motorsport, but I haven’t played FM since Forza 4. Forza is (was?) miles and miles ahead of GT As far as track selection, multiplayer lobby options, and a STOREFRONT where creators can sell liveries, decals, and tunes. This game is a step back from GT3 and couldn’t hold a candle to FM3 or FM4.
 
Rodion Raskol
Just noticed they’ve wrecked my High speed ring group 4 grind. Anything else worth it now?
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European Championship (150K every 20mins.. not inc. Clean Race bonus) and World Championship (450K every hour.. not inc. Clean Race bonuses). These won't get nerfed as farming Chanpionships is classified as 'playing the game'. The car I use is the AMG Black Series '20 (450K) which I farmed after doing the European Championship 3 times with a Renault Clio I got from one of the menus. After a couple of days of farming and stuffing around with other content, I now use a Porsche GT1 or a Ferrari F40 for fun.
 
ruggermole
yeah doing 3 lap races over and over again where I chase AI that isn't good is not my idea of fun. Really loved the longer races of the older games and even GTSport. I'd do the GTSport Endurance races just because.
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You do realize that GTS launched with exactly zero single player races, right? It was 2 months after launch that GT League was added to the game.

I mean, on one hand I get what you're saying but on the other hand you're making a rather false comparison. GTS had no single player races at all at the same point of it's life cycle. The endurance races were added much later.
 
BackwardsMan
European Championship (150K every 20mins.. not inc. Clean Race bonus) and World Championship (450K every hour.. not inc. Clean Race bonuses). These won't get nerfed as farming Chanpionships is classified as 'playing the game'. The car I use is the AMG Black Series '20 (450K) which I farmed after doing the European Championship 3 times with a Renault Clio I got from one of the menus. After a couple of days of farming and stuffing around with other content, I now use a Porsche GT1 or a Ferrari F40 for fun.
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Those sound acceptable. I ground the **** out of High speed ring in my Toyota gr 4 car until I could buy a few gt3 and 4 cars and some tasty new cars. Got round to grinding today and it’s nerfed.
 
Speedy Samurai
I had enough and am returning it. For what I paid I can get two games back. I may back to it and by a used copy when more content has been released and there’s more to keep me busy. Hopefully the game economy will be rebalanced, in favour of the player, by that time.
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Yeah, sadly it is looking more and more like a game that will be much better once all the updates and future releases come out, because as of right now, it's sort of disheartening to know that the main crux of the game is the Cafe, and i'm over halfway through them.

I think i'll wait a while, do something else, check back on here for news on significant updates, and hope that GT7 becomes a game that has a bit more meat to it, as I feel that playing the game, the state it is in now, is kind of pointless.
 
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Wish I could return this POS game. I’m having way more fun in FH5, a game I get to play for free on Game Pass, than this incomplete junk I paid $90 for. And to think, its the first Forza title I have ever played. Have owned every GT game on every PS platform and GT7 is the worst. This will be the last GT title I will buy at launch or for full price.
 
This whole debacle is, unfortunately, detracting from what is, at its core, a very rewarding driving experience.

I have all the Project Cars titles on pc, as well as Race Room, Grid (2019), F1 2020, DriveClub, Forza 7 and Horizon 4 and 5, and I'd still rather play this game for the pure racing experience.
The moment I loaded in for that first music rally nonsense that sublime, unique Gran Turismo handling brought a smile to my face.

It is, in my opinion, the most accessible (but still rewarding) and most enjoyable handling model ever made.
Of course, it isn't as sophisticated as i-racing or Assetto Corsa, but it isn't selling itself as a full on sim...so that shouldn't be a surprise.
But, it straddles that line between full on race sim and physics defying arcade racers rather well, I feel.

PD are very...VERY...lucky that this game has such an engaging core experience because they'd be absolutely screwed otherwise.

Their whole attitude this past few days is just another in a long line of unfortunate corporate decisions which ends up producing these unnecessary and unpalatable situations - situations that remind me why I'm far more cynical and jaded than I ought to be.

Maybe, I'm naive, but I'm convinced none of it has to be this way.
 
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barak181
You do realize that GTS launched with exactly zero single player races, right? It was 2 months after launch that GT League was added to the game.

I mean, on one hand I get what you're saying but on the other hand you're making a rather false comparison. GTS had no single player races at all at the same point of it's life cycle. The endurance races were added much later.
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I didn't get GTSport at launch so what you're saying is fair.
 
mika haka
Also seems daft for kaz to say he doesn't want players to grind in gt games as to be honest that is what the series has always been about.

With how bad the a.i. is and the actual racing element there has never been anything to do but grind in the game and try different cars.

He wants to fix the grind they will need to fix the racing element and make it more like the f1 or wrc games.

You get fun challenging racing in those games.


Of course this isnt what they want and they basically want you buying credits to get new cars, which why wpuld anyone do when the racing part is not worth it.
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They didn't nerf credits in Championships.
Rodion Raskol
Those sound acceptable. I ground the **** out of High speed ring in my Toyota gr 4 car until I could buy a few gt3 and 4 cars and some tasty new cars. Got round to grinding today and it’s nerfed.
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I understand that the game isn't Gran Turismo: High Speed Ring Simulator, but I have to admit... the credit rewards should have been left alone. All that should have been fixed in 1.07 are the tires in the Off-Road license tests and a few other glitches.
We chose to buy the game, so it should be up to us to choose how we play it (provided something isn't game-breaking). :)
 
Microtransactions are not a problem, as long as they are optional. I personally never felt tempted to buy them, no matter how good or bad the in-game economy is. I'd rather have microtransactions and free DLC, than the other way around.

Said that, the real problem is the in-game economy, which needs real improvements. Curious to see what Kaz was talking about, but either way, they should try to improve it as soon as possible.

The roulette tickets were just a dumb decision, the way they work. 5k credits most of the time, just shows how rigged it is. Even worse, is that some parts are locked behind those tickets, which is absurd. Although I suspect they did that, simply because there are so few exclusive parts (and mainly engines) attainable from the roulette, that's why there's a very low chance of getting them.

I guess game devs making stupid decisions is the core of gaming in present day.
 
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I see the things like this! I have payed almost 100EUR for 25th anniversary edition of game, it is mine and with that said I am to CHOOSE HOW I will play the game and enjoy in it! I don't need him to tell me what mechanically will I do and how to enjoy!!!
 
hrtrob
Wish I could return this POS game. I’m having way more fun in FH5, a game I get to play for free on Game Pass, than this incomplete junk I paid $90 for. And to think, its the first Forza title I have ever played. Have owned every GT game on every PS platform and GT7 is the worst. This will be the last GT title I will buy at launch or for full price.
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FH5 is fun as I have it as well. I haven’t played since launch, though, as it doesn’t grab me the way Gran Turismo does. Even with the issues, I look forward to playing GT7 way more. But I can’t pretend to be excited that we have to now accept incomplete games after paying full price up front. That I don’t like at all.
 
dacc10
Microtransactions are not a problem, as long as they are optional. I personally never felt tempted to buy them, no matter how good or bad the in-game economy is. I'd rather have microtransactions and free DLC, than the other way around.

Said that, the real problem is the in-game economy, which needs real improvements. Curious to see what Kaz was talking about, but either way, they should try to improve it as soon as possible.

The roulette tickets were just a dumb decision, the way they work. 5k credits most of the time, just shows how rigged it is. Even worse, is that some parts are locked behind those tickets, which is absurd. Although I suspect they did that, simply because there are so few exclusive parts (and mainly engines) attainable from the roulette, that's why there's a very low chance of getting them.

I guess game devs making stupid decisions is the core of gaming in present day.
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They are a problem because the in-game economy is deliberately structured to manipulate people into buying them.
 
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mika haka
Also seems daft for kaz to say he doesn't want players to grind in gt games as to be honest that is what the series has always been about.
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I'm not sure I'd say it's what the game was about. It was a common feature of the older games, but it was also a common feature of any game working around a RPG-type progression system at the time. They simply hadn't figured out anything better. It's not like they intentionally put grind in there, they just didn't care when the game required grinding because it was no different to other games of a similar type.

But that was a long time ago. Good RPGs haven't required grind for decades. Most of the GT-inspired racing games don't either. It's not considered good gameplay when you could really easily just make more races for the player. What Kaz is saying is right for a Gran Turismo game in 2022, intentional grind isn't going to sell copies to very many people. It's not considered fun.

Which is why it's so disappointing that the game they've made very quickly runs out of content and requires grinding to keep progressing at a reasonable rate.
BackwardsMan
People need to stop comparing FH to GT7... Forza's equivalent to GT7 will be Forza Motorsport 8.
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It will be, but for now FH5 is probably the closest thing on the market. FM7 is nearly 5 years old. A lot of the gameplay is really pretty similar, it's just open world instead of track based. Get cars, mod them, race around, have fun.

And really, the people struggling with GT7 at the moment are probably going to be looking at FH5 and wondering if that would be more fun.
barak181
You do realize that GTS launched with exactly zero single player races, right? It was 2 months after launch that GT League was added to the game.

I mean, on one hand I get what you're saying but on the other hand you're making a rather false comparison. GTS had no single player races at all at the same point of it's life cycle. The endurance races were added much later.
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This is true, and the game got hammered for it at release. It's a big part of the reason why GTS got 75 on Metacritic at release.

It's not unreasonable to expect that the new game is still better than the latest version of the old game. If it wasn't, why would you buy the new game? GT7 at release should be at least a small step up from GTS in every way.
 
hrtrob
Wish I could return this POS game. I’m having way more fun in FH5, a game I get to play for free on Game Pass, than this incomplete junk I paid $90 for. And to think, its the first Forza title I have ever played. Have owned every GT game on every PS platform and GT7 is the worst. This will be the last GT title I will buy at launch or for full price.
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If you enjoy games like Gran Turismo, just wait until Forza Motorsport 8 (Forza has 2 franchises: Horizon and Motorsport) comes out later this year ;) Forza Horizon (FH5 is one of the best in my opinion) is pretty good as far as open world arcade racers go, but Forza Motorsport is XBOX's equivalent to Gran Turismo.
 
Phaceless_Ph
Dude, the guy is a LIAR, it's been proven time and time again
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I remember how he promised that leading up to GT5's release the game would have real time of day (and I think weather too) change on every track and it would sync to the local time depending on when you launch a race at a real life location
 
dacc10
Microtransactions are not a problem, as long as they are optional. I personally never felt tempted to buy them, no matter how good or bad the in-game economy is. I'd rather have microtransactions and free DLC, than the other way around.
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Microtransactions stopped being optional years ago. The "you don't have to buy them" excuse is no longer relevant when time and time and time a-ducking-gain we see how ingame economies shift away from honest and proper balance towards "hey buddy, just get that 5$ coins pack, what do you say"?

also having microtransactions doesn't guarantee "Free DLC". Do I need to even to mention the failure of Anthem, the abandonment of Battlefield V, or endless "roadmaps" developers love to share and feed players empty promises?
 
StefaBGD
I see the things like this! I have payed almost 100EUR for 25th anniversary edition of game, it is mine and with that said I am to CHOOSE HOW I will play the game and enjoy in it! I don't need him to tell me what mechanically will I do and how to enjoy!!!
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I understand that it's not Gran Turismo: Fisherman's Ranch Simulator, but yeah... we paid for the game, so it should be up to us how we choose to play it. I agree with you 100%.
Update 1.07 should have been about fixing the tire bug on Off-Road license tests amongst other in-game glitches like the 'purchasing cars error', game crashing on start-up, etc. The credit rewards should have been left alone, especially after a 30hr maintenance period.
 

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