Lamborghini 550PP Exclusive.

[Stotty]

Finaly ! After 2 month...1st on Ring. Stotty, God bless you.

Congratulations and glad I helped out 👍

FINALLY managed to do Rome!! Did SSR5 & Autumn Ring after a few attempts, now comes the Ring. I'm awful on this track so I've no option here but to put SRF & ASM on, set Active Steering to Strong and set ABS to 10. Theres no way I'll ever get round the track quick enough otherwise. My first attempt, even with the assists, was a 7:26. This one is going to take some beating, I thought Rome was difficult but I'm not sure I'll ever be able to beat the Ring.

You don't need ABS 10... most tunes you'll pick up will be designed with ABS 1, and any higher only provides a marginal difference on one or two cars. For everything else, ABS 10 gives no advantage at all.

Avoid ASM at all costs... I very much doubt you'll ever beat this test with it on as it kills all your speed.

SRF and active steering will likely help you out... but the real trick is to learn the track 👍

 

[Kwicko]

You don't need ABS 10... most tunes you'll pick up will be designed with ABS 1, and any higher only provides a marginal difference on one or two cars. For everything else, ABS 10 gives no advantage at all.

Avoid ASM at all costs... I very much doubt you'll ever beat this test with it on as it kills all your speed.

SRF and active steering will likely help you out... but the real trick is to learn the track 👍

Good advice - especially the part about avoiding ASM. I tried it early on, and while it makes the cars *very* stable through the turns, it also kills any effort on your part to accelerate out of those turns. Or through the curves and esses.

If you want more stability, try turning up the TCS a bit. Most times 1 or 2 is more than enough for me, but the 'Vette on the 'Ring I had to turn it up to 7 before it could settle the car down coming off the corners. It still allowed *some* wheel slip - far more than ASM did - but kept it quite controllable.

If you're having a hard time with the Gallardo on the Nurburgring, try turning up TCS a notch at a time, turn on Active Steering and SRF, and go from there. Brake balance at around 10:5 F/R helped me out, too; it gets the front brakes to bit a bit more coming into the turns.

 

[Synapticgap]

What can I say, I suck. My best on the Ring is now 7:12 and I came 5th that time, Miura under 7 minutes.

I tried Stotty's tune and the other one posted as well as fruitycakes and although they're all very good IMO I can't seem to get it... maybe if I watch a video...

 

[Stotty]

What can I say, I suck. My best on the Ring is now 7:12 and I came 5th that time, Miura under 7 minutes.

I tried Stotty's tune and the other one posted as well as fruitycakes and although they're all very good IMO I can't seem to get it... maybe if I watch a video...

I have a replay of both a free run lap and a race I can send you (free run lap is c.6.55, race lap passes the last Muira before the 2nd Carousel), but I wouldn't be able to send until I gee home on Thursday night.

If you'd like them send me a PM with your e-mail address.

 

[krasch27]

What can I say, I suck. My best on the Ring is now 7:12 and I came 5th that time, Miura under 7 minutes.

I tried Stotty's tune and the other one posted as well as fruitycakes and although they're all very good IMO I can't seem to get it... maybe if I watch a video...

I was stuck around 7:07 until I tried the Aventador(down-tuned to pp). I didn't even need to change the gearbox ratios from default.

 

[GavBlade]

You don't need ABS 10... most tunes you'll pick up will be designed with ABS 1, and any higher only provides a marginal difference on one or two cars. For everything else, ABS 10 gives no advantage at all.

Avoid ASM at all costs... I very much doubt you'll ever beat this test with it on as it kills all your speed.

SRF and active steering will likely help you out... but the real trick is to learn the track 👍

Good advice - especially the part about avoiding ASM. I tried it early on, and while it makes the cars *very* stable through the turns, it also kills any effort on your part to accelerate out of those turns. Or through the curves and esses.

If you want more stability, try turning up the TCS a bit. Most times 1 or 2 is more than enough for me, but the 'Vette on the 'Ring I had to turn it up to 7 before it could settle the car down coming off the corners. It still allowed *some* wheel slip - far more than ASM did - but kept it quite controllable.

If you're having a hard time with the Gallardo on the Nurburgring, try turning up TCS a notch at a time, turn on Active Steering and SRF, and go from there. Brake balance at around 10:5 F/R helped me out, too; it gets the front brakes to bit a bit more coming into the turns.

Thanks for the advice, will give it a try.

The ABS does seem to make a difference though, got me the 4 or 5 seconds I needed at Rome. Of course, it could have been that I just ended up driving better after attempting it so many times but it did seem like it was making a difference with the ABS set high.

As for TC, I was always of the understanding that you shouldn't use it on a 4WD car?

 

[Synapticgap]

I was stuck around 7:07 until I tried the Aventador(down-tuned to pp). I didn't even need to change the gearbox ratios from default.

Yeah, I don't have an Aventador... lol

And I am seeking help so I won't suck too much longer... I can potentially pull awesome lap times, but I get flustered easily and then fly off the road and crash.

 

[Synapticgap]

Thanks for the advice, will give it a try.

The ABS does seem to make a difference though, got me the 4 or 5 seconds I needed at Rome. Of course, it could have been that I just ended up driving better after attempting it so many times but it did seem like it was making a difference with the ABS set high.

As for TC, I was always of the understanding that you shouldn't use it on a 4WD car?

No, you shouldn't use TC on a RALLY car, lol. Why would you limit wheel spin on dirt, right? Your car would never go.

 

[Kwicko]

Kind of a difference between 4WD and AWD, that. If you're going rallying off road, yeah, you don't want to limit wheelspin.

 

[Stotty]

The ABS does seem to make a difference though, got me the 4 or 5 seconds I needed at Rome. Of course, it could have been that I just ended up driving better after attempting it so many times but it did seem like it was making a difference with the ABS set high.

As for TC, I was always of the understanding that you shouldn't use it on a 4WD car?

I can promise you 100% that ABS 10 is not worth 4 or 5 seconds a lap... it's not even worth 0.1s! I suspect you're suffering from a placebo effect.

Once you get towards the top of the leaderoards you're chasing 0.1's, not whole seconds, and even a tiny advantage is valuable. If you check any of the Seasonal time trail leaderboards you'll see tha vast majority are using ABS 1, with the occassional person using ABS 0... if ABS 10 worked the super fast boys would be using it.... and they aren't, so it offers no advantage.

Regarding TC... it's not so much that you shouldn't use it, more that 4WD cars don't really need it as they have lots of traction. If you drive the car and you need TC then use it 👍

 

[GavBlade]

I can promise you 100% that ABS 10 is not worth 4 or 5 seconds a lap... it's not even worth 0.1s! I suspect you're suffering from a placebo effect.

Once you get towards the top of the leaderoards you're chasing 0.1's, not whole seconds, and even a tiny advantage is valuable. If you check any of the Seasonal time trail leaderboards you'll see tha vast majority are using ABS 1, with the occassional person using ABS 0... if ABS 10 worked the super fast boys would be using it.... and they aren't, so it offers no advantage.

Regarding TC... it's not so much that you shouldn't use it, more that 4WD cars don't really need it as they have lots of traction. If you drive the car and you need TC then use it 👍

It was 4 or 5 seconds over the 5 laps, not per lap, but yeh, possibly a placebo effect.

 

[Kwicko]

Regarding TC... it's not so much that you shouldn't use it, more that 4WD cars don't really need it as they have lots of traction. If you drive the car and you need TC then use it 👍

'Course, if you're running a high-powered car like a Lambo on Sports Softs, it might still be having a problem with wheelspin - it's just spinning all four of them instead of just two!

 

[Morgoth_666]

It's probably worth noting here that there can be a substantial difference between aids making a car faster and aids making a driver faster.

 

[Kwicko]

It's probably worth noting here that there can be a substantial difference between aids making a car faster and aids making a driver faster.

Too true. I used aids on the 'Vette prototype at the 'Ring to make ME faster, not the car - I actually slowed the car down a bit, which enabled me to drive smoother and therefore faster. That car's too much for me on its own, I'm not ashamed to admit.

 

[Synapticgap]

There are at least 8 degrees of sensation missing from the GT driving experience, making aids sometimes necessary to take care of the fine details in handling and controlling the car.
I mean, you don't really feel the way the car bounces side to side slightly, but it does change the way the tires press onto the road surface. If you're going full throttle in a 4WD car on a bumpy straight, chances are that you have to adjust the steering constantly, but lightly, just to keep the vehicle in the lane.
The same way it is not always possible to be aware of the suspension load either. If you're coming to the foot of a hill at high speed, you will preload your springs and bounce off the top of the hill somewhat. This of course depends on speed, spring rate, weight, steepness of the hill, etc, many factors really. If you were in the real vehicle, your body would give you a plethora of sensory information telling you how hard you go forward or backward, side to side and up and down. And because that feedback isn't there, aids help you recover the skid you couldn't feel coming, throttle down when you can't feel the slight change in acceleration because your drive wheels have lost traction and control your trajectory with just one wheel touching tarmac...

That all being said, GT5 is the nicest simulator I have driven, giving a well-rounded experience, and I can drive quite nicely due to its excellent sound, the one thing it can give you realistic feedback with: tire squeal, gear grind, rev noise!

 

[Ills1999]

^^Exactly^^

Sometimes I wonder if the people who go on and on about aids "taking away realism from the game" have much experience behind the wheel IRL

 

[Kwicko]

There are at least 8 degrees of sensation missing from the GT driving experience, making aids sometimes necessary to take care of the fine details in handling and controlling the car.
I mean, you don't really feel the way the car bounces side to side slightly, but it does change the way the tires press onto the road surface. If you're going full throttle in a 4WD car on a bumpy straight, chances are that you have to adjust the steering constantly, but lightly, just to keep the vehicle in the lane.
The same way it is not always possible to be aware of the suspension load either. If you're coming to the foot of a hill at high speed, you will preload your springs and bounce off the top of the hill somewhat. This of course depends on speed, spring rate, weight, steepness of the hill, etc, many factors really. If you were in the real vehicle, your body would give you a plethora of sensory information telling you how hard you go forward or backward, side to side and up and down. And because that feedback isn't there, aids help you recover the skid you couldn't feel coming, throttle down when you can't feel the slight change in acceleration because your drive wheels have lost traction and control your trajectory with just one wheel touching tarmac...

That all being said, GT5 is the nicest simulator I have driven, giving a well-rounded experience, and I can drive quite nicely due to its excellent sound, the one thing it can give you realistic feedback with: tire squeal, gear grind, rev noise!

^^Exactly^^

Sometimes I wonder if the people who go on and on about aids "taking away realism from the game" have much experience behind the wheel IRL

Bingo. When I'm sitting on my couch racing the game, I can't FEEL the arse step out of line, I can't FEEL the tires begin to break traction - I can only go by the sound of the game and the camera angle whether the car is sliding, spinning, yawing about, or what have you. In real life, my butt-dynamometer is finely tuned to tell me what each tire is doing at all times, so I can react BEFORE there's any issue.

 

[ytevo79]

It looks like the new update has helped somewhat with the PP, I can get 4th now instead of 5th lol.

Still, I'm about 8 seconds off the pace with 7:15 almost every time.

 

[GavBlade]

It looks like the new update has helped somewhat with the PP, I can get 4th now instead of 5th lol.

Still, I'm about 8 seconds off the pace with 7:15 almost every time.

The new update hasn't changed the PP of the Lambo that I've been using at all, its still at 550.

 

[Kwicko]

The new update hasn't changed the PP of the Lambo that I've been using at all, its still at 550.

Same here - mine that I left alone two days ago after running the 'Ring yet again was still sitting at 550pp this morning. So I took it out and... got second place with it. Ah, well...

 

[citycar]

Anyone know if the LP400 or anniversary are affected? Those are the cars i have been dabbling with for this event.

 

[_Ven]

Finaly ! After 2 month...1st on Ring. Stotty, God bless you.

Congrats, I'm glad his tune has helped others as well. 👍

 

[_Ven]

What can I say, I suck. My best on the Ring is now 7:12 and I came 5th that time, Miura under 7 minutes.

I tried Stotty's tune and the other one posted as well as fruitycakes and although they're all very good IMO I can't seem to get it... maybe if I watch a video...

Keep at it with Stotty's tune, i think it's the best tune for this event. Your problem lies in you mastering the Nurburgring, I suggest running countless laps and memorizing the track.

This is the video I watched to try and better my times. GTPwge's videos.

 

[_Ven]

Also mike_gt3's videos.

Just some videos of my laps on the Nurburgring

McLaren F1 '94 stock on stock tires, oil changed


Pagani Zonda R, stock but on racing soft, oil changed, adjusted gearing and downforce...


Nissan GT-R '07 stock on stock tires, oil changed


Nissan Fairlady Z34 '08 stock, stock tires, oil changed


Lexus ISF '07 stock, stock tires, oil changed


Amuse NISMO 380RS Superleggera, stock , stock tires, oil changed


Mazda RX-8 Concept LM Race Car, stock, oil changed, racing soft tires, downforce and gearing adjusted only.


will upload more soon

 

[Mikathechaos21]

Anyone know if the LP400 or anniversary are affected? Those are the cars i have been dabbling with for this event.

those cars are pure ******** for Nurb race, Gallardo is best, but still needs that 5-10 more horse power

 

[Morgoth_666]

those cars are pure ******** for Nurb race, Gallardo is best, but still needs that 5-10 more horse power

There's nothing at all wrong with those cars, quite capable of winning. I'm pretty sure it's been shown in this thread that any eligible car can win.

 

[Ills1999]

There's nothing at all wrong with those cars, quite capable of winning. I'm pretty sure it's been shown in this thread that any eligible car can win.

I've also heard that having a wheel vs. the stick is worth about 10 or 15 seconds.

 

[Morgoth_666]

I've also heard that having a wheel vs. the stick is worth about 10 or 15 seconds.

 

[citycar]

I've also heard that having a wheel vs. the stick is worth about 10 or 15 seconds.

Yeah thats going to depend on what driving aid(s) and setup are being used.

I'm running zero aids but i do have a steering wheel (G27) so i'm lucky.

 

[GoodFella]

Tough seasonal, only got the first one beat.