Legalization of Marijuana

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Dennisch, I know. I have seen it in Utrecht and in Amsterdam. Pretty good. It's just that I want to point out there can be negative effects in border areas. Luckily less now since the weed pass.

Foolkiller, not sure in what dirrection you're heading. I think we agree to disagree.
 
MarcoM
Foolkiller, not sure in what dirrection you're heading. I think we agree to disagree.
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The problems with kids aren't the drugs. Whether drugs are illegal or not will have very little affect on what happens to the children in those kinds of families. Fighting drug legalization will not prevent the problems.

If it is drug use that you are really arguing against, drug use and drug legalization are two separate topics.
 
When drugs are legalized, the responsibility for stopping drug use falls on the society. Portugal already has empirical evidence that it is a better solution. Legality pushes out complacency.
 
FoolKiller
The problems with kids aren't the drugs. Whether drugs are illegal or not will have very little affect on what happens to the children in those kinds of families. Fighting drug legalization will not prevent the problems.
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And that is where I disagree. Taking away the drugs (weed/alcohol) in such families will give the kids a better chance in life.

Addicted parents have less money to spend on raising kids.
 
MarcoM
And that is where I disagree. Taking away the drugs (weed/alcohol) in such families will give the kids a better chance in life.

Addicted parents have less money to spend on raising kids.
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I have to point out that drug policy in the US is some of the most strict, yet research shows that we have the worst abuse rates in the world.

http://alcoholism.about.com/od/sa/a/drug_use.htm

"The Netherlands, with a less criminally punitive approach to cannabis use than the United States, has experienced lower levels of use, particularly among younger adults," the report says. "Clearly, by itself, a punitive policy towards possession and use accounts for limited variation in nation-level rates of illegal drug use."
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Oh, and as for the money thing:

Higher income was associated with higher rates of both illegal and legal drug use.
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So, I have no clue how you come to your conclusions, but studios by WHO disagree.



That said, addicted parents were not forced into addiction. Drugs, alcohol, whatever are all inanimate objects. No one is forcing these things on to the parents. They choose to give in to their addiction. They choose to love something more than their children. And I realize choose is not the right word when talking about addiction. It is the right word when it comes to breaking the addiction. There are many places to seek help if you really want to stop. Bad parents are bad parents, no matter their vice. Nothing jumped into their mouths or their veins. If they do not choose to attempt to get clean then no laws will make them a better parent.
 
What would the WHO advice: use drugs or do not use drugs if all other circumstances are the same.

And what about the violence drugs runners in my region used. Would the WHO approve that?

Your quotes are very prententious and do not connect to my reality.
 
MarcoM
What would the WHO advice: use drugs or do not use drugs if all other circumstances are the same.
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FoolKiller
If it is drug use that you are really arguing against, drug use and drug legalization are two separate topics.
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And what about the violence drugs runners in my region used. Would the WHO approve that?
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Would it exist if everyone legalized drugs? Are we running in circles?

You act like drug violence is exclusive to you and we wouldn't understand over here in North America, what with the Mexican cartels leaving heads scattered about the desert.

Your quotes are very prententious and do not connect to my reality.
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Considering your responses have very little to do with what the WHO report is saying I'm not sure you read it correctly. But to avoid being pretentious I will stop trying to put scientific statistics in the way of your reality.
 
FoolKiller
Would it exist if everyone legalized drugs?
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Probably not. I actually would vote for a global legalization. But how big are the chances for that to happen?

As for the violence, I have suffered from it it 10 years ago. In that period the areas around coffee shops were NoGo areas for a lot of people.

But as I said I am glad the introduction of the weed pass in the Netherlands has cut down the drugs tourism to the minimum.
 
Admitted, that is an overreaction.

I just want to make clear that in past times these areas where not the places where you would your girlfriend / wife to walk alone lat at night.
 
MarcoM
Admitted, that is an overreaction.

I just want to make clear that in past times these areas where not the places where you would your girlfriend / wife to walk alone lat at night.
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Every city has those, even ones as small as the one I'm in. We call it East Frankfort. Drugs are only a part of the issue. Louisville, KY placed an ordinance forcing liquor stores to close after certain times in certain neighborhoods due to the violence. Liquor is legal. The violence still happened, just around convenience stores. Turned out the inanimate objects people blamed weren't the cause. It was the people. They just congregated wherever was most convenient or enjoyable to them.
 
MarcoM
Taking away the drugs (weed/alcohol) in such families will give the kids a better chance in life.
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You can't take the drugs away! Get that through your head bro.

Marijuana is illegal in the US. Most of my friends enjoy it on a regular basis. They want it. When people want things they get things. They do it on a black market that is kept hidden and secret so nobody really knows what's going on. It's the same way convicted criminals who are no longer allowed to own guns still manage to get guns and commit another crime. Banning the substance does absolutely nothing to halt its trade. It's a pointless waste of time and money.

A much better solution would be to legalize all drugs and let society educate itself about all the bad things that can happen if you use it, such as poor health or dangerous actions.
 
I myself do not use any drugs (besides medicine prescribed by a doctor and over the counter medicines used for what they are meant, not to get high), but I really think it needs to be legalized. Just tax the hell out of it. For heaven's sake, so many people at my high school smoke it already despite it being illegal.
 
So a country legalizing weed is bad because parents will use the substance to the point where they will ruin life for their children...

... Unless everybody does it at once? :confused:
 
MarcoM
Thank you very much you all for deliberatly misunderstanding my words.
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I don't really see how else you expect us to understand your words. Perhaps you should be more clear then, as your attitude tends to agree with what they concluded.
 
What I meant is that I agree with a worldwide legalization of weed. The worldwide addition is to prevent troubles in border regions.

I hope that is more clear.
 
About the kids part, how would they get it? They're not old enough to buy it so they can't enter the coffeeshop. They could get it illegal, but that's already the problem.

I'm happy we have it here!
 
The kids part was totally made up out of nowhere. In earlier posts I talked about the effect of drug addiction and having/raising kids.
 
Laws cannot define morality, people will do what they do regardless. I think it should be legal for many reasons but I can't see any difference in ones ability to raise children, legal or not. I also do not believe that crime would somehow magically go down.

1/2 pence.
 
MarcoM
Dead baby found in rotten house in Berlin. 36 year old mom was also found dead. Probable cause: drugs.
http://www.nu.nl/buitenland/2888651/babylijkje-gevonden-in-vervuild-pand-berlijn.html

Now I know I will get a :censored:load of reactions over me that this has nothing to do with weed. But I assure you that things that happened in Berlin did start somewhere.
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If the drugs that killed her were marijuana then possibly you have a point as, last I heard, Berlin has relaxed marijuana laws. Of course, I have yet to hear of a single case of marijuana overdose. Chances are she died from drugs that are strictly illegal. In which case, I have to ask; How does someone dying from an illegal drug prove that keeping drugs illegal will save lives?

And where did this start? Amsterdam? Or are you going with the marijuana is a gateway drug theory?

Anyway, you have given a good example of why you shouldn't do drugs. I do not see a reason why they should be illegal. There is no lesson to take away here that wouldn't also apply to tobacco, alcohol, unprotected sex, or extreme sports.
 
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FoolKiller
In which case, I have to ask; How does someone dying from an illegal drug prove that keeping drugs illegal will save lives?
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Valid point

FoolKiller
Or are you going with the marijuana is a gateway drug theory?
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I think the chances are bigger than for a non user to jump to hard drugs.


FoolKiller
Anyway, you have given a good example of why you shouldn't do drugs. I do not see a reason why they should be illegal. There is no lesson to take away here that wouldn't also apply to tobacco, alcohol, unprotected sex, or extreme sports.
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Except the lesson that killed a baby.

How did extreme sports get mixed into this? Tobacco? Smoking a sigar or drinking a beer every now and then is dangerous?
 
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