Legalization of Marijuana

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From what I heared and witnessed is that the drug flow isn't broken in any way.

It might be even easier to get big quantities because dealers don't have the 5 gr limit ( I know about making the tour to all the coffeeshops)
 
That's probably true. I do not know how it is in other border cities. But the constant invasion of Belgium and French cars in my street is over :)

I think the idea of proving that you are from the Netherlands is good. The weedpass is good but goes too far. Privacy cannot be guaranteed. So I hope they change that to something that you have to show your ID or drivers license in order to prove that you're a Dutch citizen. That way peeps can still smoke and there will be less hassle from drugs tourists in the border regions.
 
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^Most places have tourism boards that specifically try to bring tourism (aka business, money, etc) to their area. If you don't care if money flows into your country or not I guess your opinion makes sense. Me, I like making money.

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I was a bit shocked how easy they thought about the girls, truly thinking they were doing this for fun.
That's because there isn't much of a turn on for most men if they think about how she is doing it to feed her three-year-old daughter. It's sex, it's supposed to be fun. It is no different than thinking that a job at an amusement park or movie theater would be fun. As the customer it is fun. To think about how much it sucks for the workers kind of defies the goal.
 
From what I heared and witnessed is that the drug flow isn't broken in any way.

It might be even easier to get big quantities because dealers don't have the 5 gr limit ( I know about making the tour to all the coffeeshops)

There isn't a 5 gram buying limit. That limit is only when you walk down the street. But even 10 or 15 grams isn't a problem for most of the cops if they decide to feel you up.

Maybe the shops in the border regions are a little wary for this, but I really doubt it.


That way peeps can still smoke and there will be less hassle from drugs tourists in the border regions.

Thinking that the tourists stay away is just wrong. They will come for the stuff, and as I said before, now the money goes to that annoying little punk on the street corner, who will earn enough money in a month to buy a nice BMW, to tear up the streets near you. We, in Hilversum, have the same problem, only with hard drugs dealers. Only plus side of the story is, they get caught in a couple of months, because someone without a steady job and being only 18-25 years old, isn't able to afford a 40k BMW.

The "smart" dealers drive on scooters and 15 year old cars.
 
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^Most places have tourism boards that specifically try to bring tourism (aka business, money, etc) to their area. If you don't care if money flows into your country or not I guess your opinion makes sense. Me, I like making money.


That's because there isn't much of a turn on for most men if they think about how she is doing it to feed her three-year-old daughter. It's sex, it's supposed to be fun. It is no different than thinking that a job at an amusement park or movie theater would be fun. As the customer it is fun. To think about how much it sucks for the workers kind of defies the goal.

I like making money too. But I also like safe roads. I like that even more.

There is a big difference between pressing a button at a fair or being a prostitute. Bit senseless to talk about these women in such a way.
 
I like making money too. But I also like safe roads. I like that even more.
I like having potential customers around my business. I like safe roads too. I don't see how making a guy performing a legal activity suddenly into a criminal makes your streets safer.

There is a big difference between pressing a button at a fair or being a prostitute. Bit senseless to talk about these women in such a way.
It's not the women that I am talking about, but I am comparing activities done for pleasure. It is a job, so I compare her to any other employee from a customer's perspective. How would you prefer I approach it? The subject raises controversy at the first word, so there is no polite way to describe it.

And do you expect the guys who seek out prostitutes to think about her home life and think about whether or not she hates or enjoys her job? HBO has a reality show about a brothel in Nevada. It is one of the most famous and expensive because the girls are expected to be the kind of girls who are always happy to be doing their jobs. Whether they really are like that or are excellent actors, I can't say, but I do know that a visibly sad hooker is a broke hooker. And truth be told, that says way more about their customers, and probably men in general, than it does them. If you can't see that and think I am being insulting to the women then I don't think you understand what I am saying.
 
I am refering to the fact that many drug tourist did not keep to the 30 zones in my area.

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And to clarify, these typical Belgium and French cars are gone now.

If you think these tourist spend money other than on weed, you are wrong. As soon as they have their stuff, they're off with squeeling tyres.

I am happy that that is not more the case. I am sorry that it currently makes it necessary that Dutch buyers of weed have to register themselves. That breaks into their privacy. I hope that we get a system that just proving that you are Dutch is enough.

But then again, smoking weed is a choice. Nobode is enforced to do it.
 
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I am refering to the fact that many drug tourist did not keep to the 30 zones in my area.
You should move to some US cities. Some specialize in cops with nothing better to do than give out traffic tickets. Another idea that I see low speed neighborhoods do is put in speed bumps.

Is speeding seriously the big crime problem you were concerned about?


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Are you talking about guys crossing the border from five minutes away? To me tourists are like US citizens or something.

Of course, unless legal pot was sold tax free (tax free meaning from cultivation to sale) whether they bought other things doesn't matter. They paid into your economy. But if you didn't have businesses popping up and trying to attract these people then you all are failing at marketing. Even dirt poor Mexicans living in the desert know to try selling handmade trinkets or food alongside the roads going to places like Tijuana.

Where there are people there is potential business. If you choose to just sit on your front porch, rocking in your chair, and shaking your fist at "those punk kids" that's your problem.

We have an event here every year that causes people from all over the country to go up and down my road for a week, screwing up traffic, making me late for work, and generally being a pain in the ass. Nearly every business and home has stuff set up for sale in their yards. The church down the road rents out plots for vendors.
 
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You should move to some US cities. Some specialize in cops with nothing better to do than give out traffic tickets. Another idea that I see low speed neighborhoods do is put in speed bumps.

Is speeding seriously the big crime problem you were concerned about?

No of course not. Poluting, annoying people too.

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Are you talking about guys crossing the border from five minutes away?

Yes.

I do not have time to sit in a rockin' chair. But the idea sounds tempting.
 
No of course not. Poluting, annoying people too.
You poor soul. You are just plagued with first-world problems.

I wonder if Canada feels the same way about American 18-year-olds crossing the border to drink alcohol.

I do not have time to sit in a rockin' chair. But the idea sounds tempting.
Seriously, you would love the US. We have a restaurant chain known for their rocking chairs set out front for people to just sit in while they wait for a table to open up.
 
Or you don't see them, because they can't go to the coffeeshop near you anymore.

True, just look up the reports, complaints about street-dealing and related nuisances are up by 34% since the introduction of the weedpass.
 
You poor soul. You are just plagued with first-world problems.


I wonder if Canada feels the same way about American 18-year-olds crossing the border to drink alcohol.


Seriously, you would love the US. We have a restaurant chain known for their rocking chairs set out front for people to just sit in while they wait for a table to open up.

Childish.
 
True, just look up the reports, complaints about street-dealing and related nuisances are up by 34% since the introduction of the weedpass.

Yes, but not in MarcoM's neighborhood. So all is good now. :P
 
Childish.

I'd say the sarcasm is more adult in nature.

On the topic, Washington is looking to pass i502, which will legalize carrying up to an ounce for anyone over the age of 21.

The flip side is showing more than 5 nanograms of Active THC per milliliter blood of is grounds for a DUI. And while people shouldn't drive when they are under in the influence, it has been shown that regular smokers will show more than that after days of not smoking. What people are worried about is a shift from possession convictions to DUI's, or that the Federal government will slap the legalization part down and keep the DUI part.

I'd like it to be legal, but not if I'm going to get a DUI for smoking the day before heavily and then sleeping it off.
 
Or that. Yeah, black markets. They're a bitch.

Fact: People go to Amsterdam for weed. That's what every single American thinks the entire point of going to Amsterdam is. That's it. We make movies about it. There's 300,000,000 of us so I hope ya'll are building some new jails. Might want to hire some secretaries for the paperwork.

Heeyyyy! I visited Amsterdam this year and I didn't smoke a thing...though there were 3 guys with me that looked like they just filmed "Half-Baked":lol:

In all seriousness though, while I had heard of "weedpass" before visiting Amsterdam, I was not aware that it seemingly backfired. Kinda sad to hear, especially since it seems to have made the situation worse (from what I understand).
 
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:lol: I didn't say anything about the Red light district. :sly:

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In all honesty, the only things I really wanted to see/knew about were the Rijksmuseum (which I didn't) and the Anne Frank house. Very, very nice city, though. :-)
 
Childish.
The first sentence was sarcasm to show just how serious I find your "crime" problems. And the term "first-world problems" is a common term to describe the kinds of non-issues westerners have found a way to spend their day fretting over, like if our kids have enough sunscreen and never letting a drop of tap water cross our lips. Too much traffic falls in there. It is in contrast to real issues like finding potable drinking water, starvation, and disease, or third-world problems.

The second was a legitimate question.

The third was a half-joking, half-serious description of a real life restaurant chain in the US, called Cracker Barrel in response to your admitting that the idea of just sitting in a rocking chair sounds tempting. Along with giant chess and shopping for knick knacks, that is what you do while waiting for a table at Cracker Barrel.

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But if you would consider childish on the opposite end of the scale of someone who complains about the major traffic issues, when describing speeding, auto pollution, and annoying people, then I am guilty-as-charged.

Also, lighten up. By now you should know that I like to mix in (often bad) jokes to keep the mood light. And save the speech about important issues. I hear it from my wife all the time, usually just after she finishes laughing at the joke I made at a funeral or something.

*19. Except Quebec.
19 then. I don't like near the border, just know some Michigan residents that talked about doing it.

I'd say the sarcasm is more adult in nature.

On the topic, Washington is looking to pass i502, which will legalize carrying up to an ounce for anyone over the age of 21.

The flip side is showing more than 5 nanograms of Active THC per milliliter blood of is grounds for a DUI. And while people shouldn't drive when they are under in the influence, it has been shown that regular smokers will show more than that after days of not smoking. What people are worried about is a shift from possession convictions to DUI's, or that the Federal government will slap the legalization part down and keep the DUI part.

I'd like it to be legal, but not if I'm going to get a DUI for smoking the day before heavily and then sleeping it off.
Tough nut to crack. You need a sure way to test for DUIs, if for no other reason to check after an accident. My first thought is that it should be out of your system and you be fine, making the tests show a false positive, but then I remember some of the Spicoli type of potheads I know. Hurm. Maybe a rule that evidence of intoxication is required, such as being like Spicolio or having a distinct odor. I wonder if the test can be made to detect the age of the chemical in the blood based on some degree of breakdown or something.
 
I am glad that some US tourists who happen to be GTplanet members, do visit the Netherlands for other things our country has to offer.
 
On the topic, Washington is looking to pass i502, which will legalize carrying up to an ounce for anyone over the age of 21.

The flip side is showing more than 5 nanograms of Active THC per milliliter blood of is grounds for a DUI. And while people shouldn't drive when they are under in the influence, it has been shown that regular smokers will show more than that after days of not smoking. What people are worried about is a shift from possession convictions to DUI's, or that the Federal government will slap the legalization part down and keep the DUI part.

I'd like it to be legal, but not if I'm going to get a DUI for smoking the day before heavily and then sleeping it off.

How do they intend to implement this, do you know? Because if it's by way of mandatory blood samples I can foresee some serious problems.
 
I am glad that some US tourists who happen to be GTplanet members, do visit the Netherlands for other things our country has to offer.

yaay windmills :lol:

How much is a girl there? Not that I have a plane ticket or anything *shifty eyes*

Depends on how hot she is. Nasty girls are 20 euros, the rest is 50 and up. A hand/mouth job is possible for around 20 also. But the most you hear from the window is fifty youro :) You have 20 minutes and you may 'come' 2 times. They won't stop you after 20 minutes but just raise the price ;)
 
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