Legalization of Marijuana

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Hmm. I think this will be the most interesting story in the months following this election (barring an invasion of Iran). I'm really hoping that the DEA doesn't meddle in this (but I fully expect them to). I hope Colorado's government can stand up to the feds in this case.
 
Hmm. I think this will be the most interesting story in the months following this election (barring an invasion of Iran). I'm really hoping that the DEA doesn't meddle in this (but I fully expect them to). I hope Colorado's government can stand up to the feds in this case.

The first arrest might be real interesting, lets say a Fed arrests somebody and takes them to a local jail. The next day the judge might release him on false arrest after all he would be in state custody!
 
The first arrest might be real interesting, lets say a Fed arrests somebody and takes them to a local jail. The next day the judge might release him on false arrest after all he would be in state custody!

Not how it worked in California.
 
One or two states are like a mosquito on the DEA's ass-cheek. Annoying, but it will be crushed. But, the wheels are in motion. More and more states will follow, the federal goverment will eventually be overwhelmed, and will have no choice but to relent on marijuana. More difficult to topple will be our employers. Even if the feds eventually legalize it, I bet my company will not remove weed from it's "substance policy".
 
One or two states are like a mosquito on the DEA's ass-cheek. Annoying, but it will be crushed. But, the wheels are in motion. More and more states will follow, the federal goverment will eventually be overwhelmed, and will have no choice but to relent on marijuana. More difficult to topple will be our employers. Even if the feds eventually legalize it, I bet my company will not remove weed from it's "substance policy".

This is true. There is enough evidence to show that marijuana can stay in your system long enough to justify this kind of policy. Until there is a way to test intoxication the same way as alcohol employer policies will not change.

And in cases where employers do not test beforehand you had better hope you aren't innocently involved in a workplace accident. If you have had marijuana in the last 24-48 hours you I'll not get your workers comp, and I'll be lucky if you get to keep your job, no matter whether you actually played a part or not.
 
Marijuana is slightly different to most other drugs because one can quite easily passively 'take' it... I reckon you'd have to be in the company of a fairly heavy stoner to test positive for marijuana having never smoked it yourself, but I know atleast one person who would qualify in the category e.g. my mate's wife... she quit smoking altogether and he quit smoking regular cigarettes, but continued to smoke marijuana. He smoked outside most of the time, but he still frequently would smoke indoors, and hence anyone in his company on a regular basis would probably end up with a fair amount of exposure to the drug. Obviously, one can avoid most social occasions where one is likely to be passively exposed to the drug, but it's rather difficult to avoid when it's your spouse/partner who smokes at home. I reckon one would have a hard time attempting to blame one's partner in the event of a positive test after an accident or in the event of a claim etc.
 
I am not surprised at all that Colorado voters passed 64. When I was in college in Colorado, and even high school, it was absolutely amazing how little trouble you got in if you were caught with weed. My friend got caught selling a little when we were in high school and he was given a week suspension and a ticket, that's all. In college you could walk to class with a joint, and I had seen people do it frequently. Our house was broken into one year but nothing was taken because whoever was responsible got interrupted. Anyway, we came home to police going through our house without us even knowing! We had weed, bongs, grinders, scales, just about everything college potheads could have lying around. We thought we were totally screwed. We knew there was nothing we could do and that we had to face the music so we went inside. The cops said they spotted someone climbing through our window and that they didn't care about the weed.... that time... But if they had to come back they would write us all tickets. Then they left, that was it. I am still amazed we didn't get arrested.
 
Location changed to more accurately reflect my new state's interests. Used to live in Taxafornia, now I live in Potorado in the Mile High City. Both states lived up to those nicknames during this election as CA passed even more taxes.
 
@XS: They probably felt bad for you and were in no mood to do the paperwork.

You'd be surprised at the amount times I got stopped but was let go because they didn't want to be sitting at a desk after a shift.
 
I don't get how individual states can even vote for stuff like this. It's illegal in the whole country. At any second the DEA can come in and shut you down and put you in federal prison. That's even worse than the local cops giving you a small fine. This whole legalization thing is getting crazy either fully legaizlie it or totally ban it. No state allowance, no medical reasons, no nothing. I hate all this in between stuff like it is.
 
I love it.

States should be exactly where we conduct these kinds of experiments. The federal government has no business enforcing drug laws like it does, I'm glad states are standing up to them - we'll see how long it lasts before they refuse federal funding or something to put the screws to us.
 
I don't get how individual states can even vote for stuff like this. It's illegal in the whole country. At any second the DEA can come in and shut you down and put you in federal prison. That's even worse than the local cops giving you a small fine. This whole legalization thing is getting crazy either fully legaizlie it or totally ban it. No state allowance, no medical reasons, no nothing. I hate all this in between stuff like it is.

10th Amendment of US Constitution
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

We are the United States, not the country of America. If the federal government wishes to prohibit a good they are supposed to go through Constitutional amendments, as was done with alcohol in the 18th Amendment.

As far as I am concerned, I do not recognize the legal right of the federal government to prohibit any product without a ratified amendment to the US Constitution. Sadly, they have all the big guns.
 
Let's see if this legalization has a net positive affect on the Colorado economy. If it does, then I think the national conversation to legalize it would get quite the factual backing.
 
...because human rights is less important than the economy...

This is the United States of America we are talking here. I love my country, but I know it's faults too.

I mean, people worried more about the economy than an ambassador getting murdered in Libya.
 
@XS: They probably felt bad for you and were in no mood to do the paperwork.

You'd be surprised at the amount times I got stopped but was let go because they didn't want to be sitting at a desk after a shift.
Definitely, we thought about that.

This is the United States of America we are talking here. I love my country, but I know it's faults too.

I mean, people worried more about the economy than an ambassador getting murdered in Libya.
This reminds me of something Jeremy Clarkson wrote about in the September Top Gear magazine. He said Americans were nice and the Brits were bitter, nasty, mean-spirited people. But I think he's wrong. I'm not sure if it's a global issue or Western or American, but over the years our society has grown cold and bitter. People are more concerned with how much they can be "free" and how much junk they can buy than human life, empathy, and compassion. I remember when Chris Stevens was slain reading the comments on Yahoo!. About half were complaining that it was going to cause gas prices to skyrocket and a quarter said he deserved it for trying to help Libyans when there are more problems here and the other quarter actually were sympathetic. Anyway, getting way off-topic here. Americans are going to have to decide if they favor a war on drugs or the possibility that their kids, friends, and family can just run to the store and get ripped out of their minds, free and legal. The gangs and cartels aren't going anywhere, it's too late. They will find some racket or continue to sell the harder drugs.
 
Not sure how well this will work out. The DUI limit is 5 nanograms per liter of blood, which basically means that if you've smoked in the last 3 days then you are over the limit. It also allows any officer with 'probable cause' to take an on-the-spot blood test.
 
Does anyone have a link that shows the current status of all states in relation to pot laws? It seems to change so fast I don't even know the laws in my own state anymore(NY).
 
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Not sure how well this will work out. The DUI limit is 5 nanograms per liter of blood, which basically means that if you've smoked in the last 3 days then you are over the limit. It also allows any officer with 'probable cause' to take an on-the-spot blood test.

You sure that seems extremely low. With alcohol its actually a fair amount you can have and be allowed to drive but nothing in 3 days is basically impossible. Most people will party on Friday and Saturday and now you're saying be screwed over on Monday and potentially Tuesday?

Also does anyone know the prices out there? I wonder if it's more expensive than what the drug dealers will be selling for.
 
It also allows any officer with 'probable cause' to take an on-the-spot blood test.
That will never happen in the US. You have the right to refuse a breathalyzer without a warrant. The cop can detain you and get a warrant and then get a blood test but he has to have probable cause. A good lawyer can argue away probable cause in cases of just over the limit intoxication and have it tossed out.
Not always, but I've seen it.

If they did allow that in the US the cop better be a trained phlebotomist. I take blood thinners and if he screws up he can cause serious problems from severe bleeding to heavy bruising to infections and blood clots that may lead to strokes.
 
You sure that seems extremely low. With alcohol its actually a fair amount you can have and be allowed to drive but nothing in 3 days is basically impossible. Most people will party on Friday and Saturday and now you're saying be screwed over on Monday and potentially Tuesday?

Also does anyone know the prices out there? I wonder if it's more expensive than what the drug dealers will be selling for.

Yeah it will have a tax on it.
So a ounce which is for like 300+ depending on what it is.
so plus a tax, you might be paying 400 for a ounce.

a nickel bag of weed is 5 bucks, that's usually like 1 gram.
Then you have dime bag, which is 10. 2.8 grams, sometimes more.
dubs are like 5 grams.

Now if it goes dispensary, you wont be able to buy tiny amounts of weed I think.
Plus the tax.
 
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Yeah it will have a tax on it.
So a ounce which is for like 300+ depending on what it is.
so plus a tax, you might be paying 400 for a ounce.

a nickel bag of weed is 5 bucks, that's usually like 1 gram.
Then you have dime bag, which is 10. 2.8 grams, sometimes more.
dubs are like 5 grams.

Now if it goes dispensary, you wont be able to buy tiny amounts of weed I think.
Plus the tax.

Your math is incorrect. ;)

In my experience an eighth is around 30-50 which is roughly 3.5 grams.

I have absolutely no clue what it will be in the dispensaries but if I had to guess I'd say they'll charge double that, which is lame. I imagine many people will continue to get it from dealers.
 
Yeah it will have a tax on it.
So a ounce which is for like 300+ depending on what it is.
so plus a tax, you might be paying 400 for a ounce.

a nickel bag of weed is 5 bucks, that's usually like 1 gram.
Then you have dime bag, which is 10. 2.8 grams, sometimes more.
dubs are like 5 grams.

Now if it goes dispensary, you wont be able to buy tiny amounts of weed I think.
Plus the tax.

Since way back when I was youngster a nickle bag was a 1/4 oz and a dime bag was 1/2 oz, times must have changed with inflation:guilty:! Of course a nickle bag was $5 and you could smoke all of it and maybe get a little buzz:ouch:.
 
Location changed to more accurately reflect my new state's interests. Used to live in Taxafornia, now I live in Potorado in the Mile High City. Both states lived up to those nicknames during this election as CA passed even more taxes.

Location changed to reflect my state's new law too: now the Evergreen State

I don't get how individual states can even vote for stuff like this. It's illegal in the whole country. At any second the DEA can come in and shut you down and put you in federal prison. That's even worse than the local cops giving you a small fine. This whole legalization thing is getting crazy either fully legaizlie it or totally ban it. No state allowance, no medical reasons, no nothing. I hate all this in between stuff like it is.

It's a states rights issue, and this is how it should be. States should have the freedom to govern themselves on issues where the governing power is not expressly delegated to the Federal Government by the Constitution. I never expected Washington to a battleground for the whole Fed vs. States rights argument; but I think the City of Seattle and the state is already gearing up for the inevitable Federal response.



This was posted today from the Seattle Police Department, in response to the passage of Initiative 502 in Washington:
Seattle Police Department
The people have spoken. Voters have passed Initiative 502 and beginning December 6th, adults over 21 years old can possess up to an ounce of marijuana (or 16 ounces of solid marijuana-infused product, like cookies, or 72 ounces of infused liquid, like oil) for personal use.

Marijuana has existed in a grey area in Seattle for some time now. Despite a longstanding national prohibition on marijuana, minor marijuana possession has been the lowest enforcement priority for the Seattle Police Department since Seattle voters passed Initiative 75 in 2003. Officers don’t like grey areas in the law. I-502 now gives them more clarity.

Marijuana legalization creates some challenges for the Seattle Police Department, but SPD is already working to respond to these issues head on, by doing things like reviewing SPD’s hiring practices for police officers to address now-legal marijuana usage by prospective officers, as well as current employees.

While I-502 has decriminalized marijuana possession in Washington, the new state law is in direct conflict with federal law, which classifies marijuana as a Schedule I narcotic. All Seattle Police officers have taken an oath to uphold not only state law, but federal law as well. However, SPD officers will follow state law, and will no longer make arrests for marijuana possession as defined under I-502.

The Seattle Police Department and Mayor Mike McGinn have already begun working with state officials to navigate this conflict, and follow the direction of Washington voters to legalize marijuana.

In the meantime, the Seattle Police Department will continue to enforce unlicensed sale or production of marijuana, and regulations against driving under the influence of marijuana, which remain illegal.

TL;DR?

Here’s a practical guide for what the Seattle Police Department believes I-502 means for you, beginning December 6th, based on the department’s current understanding of the initiative Please keep in mind that this is all subject to review and revision by the state attorney general, and King County Prosecutor’s office:

Can I legally carry around an ounce of marijuana?

According to the recently passed initiative, beginning December 6th, adults over the age of 21 will be able to carry up to an ounce of marijuana for personal use. Please note that the initiative says it “is unlawful to open a package containing marijuana…in view of the general public,” so there’s that. Also, you probably shouldn’t bring pot with you to the federal courthouse (or any other federal property).

Well, where can I legally buy pot, then?

The Washington State Liquor Control Board is working to establish guidelines for the sale and distribution of marijuana. The WSLCB has until December 1, 2013 to finalize those rules.

Can I grow marijuana in my home and sell it to my friends, family, and co-workers?

As long as you’re a licensed grower and seller, yes. If you’re a medical marijuana patient, the rules on growing haven’t changed.

Can I smoke pot outside my home? Like at a park, magic show, or the Bite of Seattle?

Much like having an open container of alcohol in public, doing so could result in a civil infraction—like a ticket—but not arrest. You can certainly use marijuana in the privacy of your own home. Additionally, if smoking a cigarette isn’t allowed where you are (say, inside an apartment building or flammable chemical factory), smoking marijuana isn’t allowed there either.

Will police officers be able to smoke marijuana?

As of right now, no. This is still a very complicated issue.

If I apply for a job at the Seattle Police Department, will past (or current) marijuana use be held against me?

The current standard for applicants is that they have not used marijuana in the previous three years. In light of I-502, the department is consulting with the city’s employment law division and the state attorney general to see if and how that standard may be revised.

What happens if I get pulled over and an officer thinks I’ve been smoking pot?

If an officer believes you’re driving under the influence of anything, they will conduct a field sobriety test and may consult with a drug recognition expert. If officers establish probable cause, they will bring you to a precinct and ask your permission to draw your blood for testing. If officers have reason to believe you’re under the influence of something, they can get a warrant for a blood draw from a judge. If you’re in a serious accident, then a blood draw will be mandatory.

What happens if I get pulled over and I’m sober, but an officer or his K9 buddy smells the ounce of Super Skunk I’ve got in my trunk?

Under state law, officers have to develop probable cause to search a closed or locked container. Each case stands on its own, but the smell of pot alone will not be reason to search a vehicle. If officers have information that you’re trafficking, producing or delivering marijuana in violation of state law, they can get a warrant to search your vehicle.

SPD seized a bunch of my marijuana before I-502 passed. Can I have it back?

No.

Will SPD assist federal law enforcement in investigations of marijuana users or marijuana-related businesses, which are legal, at the state level, under I-502?

No. Officers and detectives will not participate in an investigation of anything that’s allowed by state law.

December 6th seems like a really long ways away. What happens if I get caught with marijuana before then?

Hold your breath. Your case will be processed under current state statute. However, there is already a city statute making marijuana enforcement the lowest law enforcement priority.

I’m under 21. What happens if I get caught smoking pot?

It’s a violation of state law. It’ll be referred to prosecutors, just like if you were a minor in possession of alcohol. But, again, marijuana enforcement is still the lowest law enforcement priority in Seattle. This is all still under review and we’re still awaiting advisement from the state attorney general.

:lol:

They sure do know their audience. Use of slangs? Check. Even a tl;dr? Check. I'm glad they have a good sense of humor, in this case. My favorite part is the question about whether someone can get previously seized marijuana back.

Also, from a state's rights perspective, it's comforting to know that the Seattle Police Department will not be helping the Feds out at all.
 
Location changed to reflect my state's new law too: now the Evergreen State



It's a states rights issue, and this is how it should be. States should have the freedom to govern themselves on issues where the governing power is not expressly delegated to the Federal Government by the Constitution. I never expected Washington to a battleground for the whole Fed vs. States rights argument; but I think the City of Seattle and the state is already gearing up for the inevitable Federal response.



This was posted today from the Seattle Police Department, in response to the passage of Initiative 502 in Washington:


:lol:

They sure do know their audience. Use of slangs? Check. Even a tl;dr? Check. I'm glad they have a good sense of humor, in this case. My favorite part is the question about whether someone can get previously seized marijuana back.

Also, from a state's rights perspective, it's comforting to know that the Seattle Police Department will not be helping the Feds out at all.


Wow is that genuinely from police. They seem so cool about it, even with the what about before 6th December question, basically saying relax we will do sod all about it.

I sooooooo wish we can convince out government to see sense and legalise it.



And on the prices front.


Here in the UK, £10 gets you a 10's which is about 3 mixed joints worth. (as in mixed with tobacco.)

For £20 you can get an 8th which is abit more than 2 10's. I'm not sure about weight since I'm not really into weed that much, only a VERY occasional user.
 

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