Legendary cars dealer refresh

[The359]

Well hey, glad I was able to teach you something new then. This is the reality of GT7 here and now.

As has been stated multiple times already (which you should already know since you claim to have been seeing peoples posts on the matter for the past 3 days), the problem isn't necessarily the difficulty, it's the completely unreasonable time commitment required to get enough cash for one car. Again, it requires the equivalent of 22 hours (give-or-take) of in-game time to get the funds available for the F1. It also doesn't help that, unlike every previous game in the series, the car is only available for a set period of time, and will be inaccessible for a projected 2-month period.


You seemed to care enough to bring them up:



If you want your arguments to be taken seriously, start by not trying to move the goalposts.

Yeah, no, nothing was taught, I'm just playing the game just like every other Gran Turismo. If you chose to waste your time grinding through a game because you're that desperate for something, that's on you. Not really my problem. Play on, race others, earn credits, buy things I want, rinse and repeat. You clearly failed to grasp that the question was rhetorical. I can draw you a picture if you'd like.

Maybe you need help on understanding a rhetorical question? I will gladly tell you how I was repeating what was stated by Samus, not asking my own question. Which you would understand if you didn't cut out the rest of the context. 🤣

 

[samppa_944]

Heads up, 500 Mondial on limited stock. Bought one myself yesterday.

 

[Nielsen]

You'll get them over time.🤣

I highly doubt it with the time and commitment I’m prepared to invest.
Besides, more cars will be added to the game in the future, and a handful of those will likely be considered “legendary” as well. Sigh.

 

[McLaren]

The issue I'm seeing isn't so much the idea of wanting it "now, now, now".

It's that this game has a credit cap & some of these rotating cars hover around it. So, for all the folks who have no problem waiting & grinding for the F1 (when they finally do have the 18.5m cr. whether over a month or 6 months down the road), now they're stuck waiting for it to show up. Which means that they could potentially end up hitting the 20m cr. cap in the mean time waiting for it to pop up & no longer earning credits for their races. Easily fixed by removing the free credit cap, but I'm betting PD doesn't really want folks stashing credits away like wasenhorn has creatively figured out.

 

[Rudenut]

No, I'm just laughing at how easy it is to pick apart the whinging by people who have short-term memories.

Man, remember when particular cars used to be locked solely behind getting all gold in license tests?

Short term memories? Did you play GT4?

 

[The359]

No, you had a large majority of them and then you could replay some events that paid out at rates far higher than GT7 to buy the rest of them, all of which cost significantly less than the cars do in GT7. You'd have enough for any single car in 2 hours at the most, not 20.

How can GT7 be considered "the most complete Gran Turismo" in any sense of the word? It doesn't have the most cars of any game, it doesn't have the most events, it doesn't have the most tracks, the online features are less than the other online games, it doesn't have features that were in the other games.

Okay, clearly "full-body experience" was also over your head as well. Complete as in having a variety of options for players to utilize in the game. Single-player, multiplayer, missions, licenses, rally, tuning, Sport Mode, Championships, Livery Editor, a wider range of cars, and a level of personalization that hasn't existed in previous GT games, at least at launch. Complete does not mean it has the most cars or tracks. By that logic no game would be "complete" because cany racing game can always have more cars or tracks. 🤣

 

[Samus]

Okay, clearly "full-body experience" was also over your head as well. Complete as in having a variety of options for players to utilize in the game. Single-player, multiplayer, missions, licenses, rally, tuning, Sport Mode, Championships, Livery Editor, a wider range of cars, and a level of personalization that hasn't existed in previous GT games, at least at launch. Complete does not mean it has the most cars or tracks. By that logic no game would be "complete" because cany racing game can always have more cars or tracks. 🤣

You're conveniently missing the context of "Most complete" GT game. He didn't just say it was a complete game.

It's not the most complete game if the content is far less than others, if there is less to do.

But anyway, it feels like you're just arguing or being contrarian for the fun of it now, so I'm done.

 

[SeaNorris]

Imagine if the Legends Dealership wasn't in the game yet because you didn't want to see cars you couldn't afford yet? People would then be complaining that they were lied to in that way. 🤣


Short-term memory in terms of GT games having cars that you couldn't afford to buy and you actually having to put work in and take the time to get everything you wanted.

Imagine if I demanded that I needed all Gr3 and Gr4 cars available to be at the start in GT Sport?

I didn't say that though, it could be loaded with cars you can actually afford? As for putting the work in, that's fine - we were able to put the work in until the developer decided to reduce the payouts as he didn't want people to grind the same events, all the while adding a grand total of zero new ones.

 

[HyperSpeeder]

LOL

(I remember Need For Speed II SE in 1997 when the McLaren F1 was new and drivable out of the box)

 

[Gt79]

well at least it's cheaper than the real thing 😂madness
meanwhile in Forza horizon 5 its 15 mil and you can't buy it from autoshow , but i got it for free from wheelspins couple of weeks after release i think
it is in the auction however for around 5 mil, too bad gt7 has neither options, tickets will get you 5-10k RIP
enjoy the grind guys

 

[The359]

You're conveniently missing the context of "Most complete" GT game. He didn't just say it was a complete game.

It's not the most complete game if the content is far less than others, if there is less to do.

But anyway, it feels like you're just arguing or being contrarian for the fun of it now, so I'm done.

🤣 No, he did not say anything within context regarding the game is complete as in finished. Complete is about the experience, not about the statistics on how many cars or tracks it has.

I didn't say that though, it could be loaded with cars you can actually afford? As for putting the work in, that's fine - we were able to put the work in until the developer decided to reduce the payouts as he didn't want people to grind the same events, all the while adding a grand total of zero new ones.

I've bought several from the Legends dealer that I could afford. Why should all of them be "affordable"? What is "affordable"? Brand Central also has cars you can "afford" and cars you can't. How is this any different?

The payouts were reduced because those events shouldn't have paid out that much, we already know there are errors in GT7, this is just another on the list. Same as the ones that were paying too little and were adjusted accordingly.

We already know events are coming. As pointed out, GTS has no single-player mode when it launched, meaning earning credits at launch was equally as difficult. Did it become easier?

 

[HyperSpeeder]

well at least it's cheaper than the real thing 😂madness
meanwhile in Forza horizon 5 its 15 mil and you can't buy it from autoshow , but i got it for free from wheelspins couple of weeks after release i think
it is in the auction however for around 5 mil, too bad gt7 has neither options, tickets will get you 5-10k RIP
enjoy the grind guys

I did lots and lots of farming in FH5 to get the XJ220, only to find out it was **** in the game. Because they wanted you to buy the TWR XJ220C from the Xbox store, of course.

The McLaren took me less time, but I was lucky. If anything, in GT7 it may be easier to buy the F1 than in FH5, because without flipping cars in the AH and luck in the wheelspins, money in FH5 is too slow to earn. They nerfed even my cactus donuts to farm Super Wheelspin perks, the jerks.

We really need a way to farm roulettes, because I sure don't want to wait 2 years to get a quad rotor or a 2JZ.

 

[NotThePrez]

Maybe you need help on understanding a rhetorical question?

Based on that, and your inability to argue a point without insulting others, I think we're done here.

 

[05XR8]

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[The359]

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Based on that, and your inability to argue a point without insulting others, I think we're done here.

I don't think you understand the phrase you're using. Correcting your misinterpretation is not moving anything, it's explaining to you that I wasn't dismissing discussing earlier games, I was pointing out that he wanted to dismiss earlier games. If you can't figure out that your assumption was incorrect, that's a you problem.

 

[SeaNorris]

I've bought several from the Legends dealer that I could afford. Why should all of them be "affordable"? What is "affordable"? Brand Central also has cars you can "afford" and cars you can't. How is this any different?

The payouts were reduced because those events shouldn't have paid out that much, we already know there are errors in GT7, this is just another on the list. Same as the ones that were paying too little and were adjusted accordingly.

We already know events are coming. As pointed out, GTS has no single-player mode when it launched, meaning earning credits at launch was equally as difficult. Did it become easier?

How is it different? Well Brand Central cars can be bought at any time and these cars cannot (save for brand invites but I haven't used any yet) so you can easily plan for buying the more high ticket cars in the brand central. If I want the F1 within this time period I have to grind events which were cut because you are saying they "shouldn't have paid that much" why not? Now you just have to grind another event to make far less money in what is at the end of the day a game. You don't need to roll out the fact that GT has always been about a grind because I am fully aware of this but in the previous GT cars like the McLaren F1 were not hidden behind a rotation based dealership and obtaining one felt no less of an achievement for it. Say next time it rolls around for a 6 day period I am on a 2 week holiday abroad?

If you have 20million credits after 2 weeks of the game release then great for you, but even with the hours I have put in I am only just at half way and that was before they decided the credit system was too easy so decided to knock it down without adding any further events to mitigate the grind.

 

[Gt79]

I did lots and lots of farming in FH5 to get the XJ220, only to find out it was **** in the game. Because they wanted you to buy the TWR XJ220C from the Xbox store, of course.

The McLaren took me less time, but I was lucky. If anything, in GT7 it may be easier to buy the F1 than in FH5, because without flipping cars in the AH and luck in the wheelspins, money in FH5 is too slow to earn. They nerfed even my cactus donuts to farm Super Wheelspin perks, the jerks.

We really need a way to farm roulettes, because I sure don't want to wait 2 years to get a quad rotor or a 2JZ.

i think i bought jag at the auction, it's a decent a800 car with minor tune, dunno what you on about
i never grinded in any forza game ever, have all cars and 70 something millions nothing to spend on but upgrades

 

[GT_Alex74]

93 hours is nearly 4 full days. Add in 8 hours of daily sleep and you're in at 6 full days. But apparently Kaz wants us to not have to rely on MTX or doing the same event over and over again.

Now, in terms of microtransactions, you'd need to shell out nearly 200€, for a virtual car you will basically never use because no one else will have it. Or you could go on a full day track day, on a real circuit, in a real car, in real life, and get probably more driving hours there that you'd get from the virtual car. Anyone still defending the economy of this game in any shape or form has fried their brains.

 

[JDMKING13]

Ferrari collection would of been nice for me but I missed the damn F40!!! My invitation ended at 9:38 and just manage to snag the Enzo! I got the Enzo LaFerrari and FXX K 458, F8, F12 I got the 458 at the UCD though lol 😂

@GT_Alex74 Bro they can keep that!!😭😭😭

 

[HyperSpeeder]

I've bought several from the Legends dealer that I could afford. Why should all of them be "affordable"? What is "affordable"? Brand Central also has cars you can "afford" and cars you can't. How is this any different?

The payouts were reduced because those events shouldn't have paid out that much, we already know there are errors in GT7, this is just another on the list. Same as the ones that were paying too little and were adjusted accordingly.

We already know events are coming. As pointed out, GTS has no single-player mode when it launched, meaning earning credits at launch was equally as difficult. Did it become easier?

You have a point, but let's put some things in perspective here.

After you finish the Café, you get the full card of Catalunya events. They are the following:

Schwarzwald League: PP 700 / 5 laps / 40,000 Cr.
Ferrari Circuit Challenge: PP 700 / 5 laps / 50,000 Cr.
WTC 800: PP 800 / 8xFuel / 12xTire / 10 laps / 70,000 Cr.

Why does WTC 800, a much harder event than Ferrari Challenge with double the length, pays less than 50% more for the whole thing? Why does Ferrari Challenge pay 10,000 Cr. more than Schwarzwald despite same restrictions?

It doesn't make any sense! That's the problem. Tweaks are welcome, but the payouts still have no balance.

i think i bought jag at the auction, it's a decent a800 car with minor tune, dunno what you on about
i never grinded in any forza game ever, have all cars and 70 something millions nothing to spend on but upgrades

I don't really like to use the Auction.

It's a pet peeve of mine. I wanted to use it in S1, but it requires that stupid aero kit. And in A800 it may be fast, but it doesn't drive very well IMO.

 

[McLaren]

3 events paid out $5k too much, 2 races paid out $10k too much, & 1 race paid out $15k too much out of the 16 reduced? Those are pretty meaningless differences in the overall view of things.

I did lots and lots of farming in FH5 to get the XJ220, only to find out it was **** in the game. Because they wanted you to buy the TWR XJ220C from the Xbox store, of course.

You did lots and lots of farming for a car that can only be bought through the auction house for whatever another user is selling it for & that's the developers' fault?

 

[Gt79]

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93 hours is nearly 4 full days. Add in 8 hours of daily sleep and you're in at 6 full days. But apparently Kaz wants us to not have to rely on MTX or doing the same event over and over again.

Kaz is like any politician, will say one thing while doing another

 

[Pizzicato1985]

You think you could have afforded everything in previous GT games after finishing all the single-player events?

Dude, you could sell the expensive prize cars in the old games AND replay those events and keep winning the cars. Nothing else in this series has even come close to this level of grind. Most MMO's don't have this level of grind... Like a ****ing mobile gatcha game economy, in a $70 game 🤡🌎

 

[Gerarghini]

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93 hours is nearly 4 full days. Add in 8 hours of daily sleep and you're in at 6 full days. But apparently Kaz wants us to not have to rely on MTX or doing the same event over and over again.

Now, in terms of microtransactions, you'd need to shell out nearly 200€, for a virtual car you will basically never use because no one else will have it. Or you could go on a full day track day, on a real circuit, in a real car, in real life, and get probably more driving hours there that you'd get from the virtual car. Anyone still defending the economy of this game in any shape or form has fried their brains.

Wow, that clown emoji is even on the website itself 🤣

 

[ddm]

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93 hours is nearly 4 full days. Add in 8 hours of daily sleep and you're in at 6 full days. But apparently Kaz wants us to not have to rely on MTX or doing the same event over and over again.

Just as a note:
this screenshot was from while the page was still being worked on,
so the "24 hour custom races" value is slightly wrong (I left it at starting P10, but have since corrected it to starting P20).

Final updated image is this (152 days straight of racing, not 172 ):

 

[The359]

How is it different? Well Brand Central cars can be bought at any time and these cars cannot (save for brand invites but I haven't used any yet) so you can easily plan for buying the more high ticket cars in the brand central. If I want the F1 within this time period I have to grind events which were cut because you are saying they "shouldn't have paid that much" why not? Now you just have to grind another event to make far less money in what is at the end of the day a game. You don't need to roll out the fact that GT has always been about a grind because I am fully aware of this but in the previous GT cars like the McLaren F1 were not hidden behind a rotation based dealership and obtaining one felt no less of an achievement for it. Say next time it rolls around for a 6 day period I am on a 2 week holiday abroad?

If you have 20million credits after 2 weeks of the game release then great for you, but even with the hours I have put in I am only just at half way and that was before they decided the credit system was too easy so decided to knock it down without adding any further events to mitigate the grind.

Most players wont have 20 million, but they're not supposed to, we already know Kaz is planning a long-term game. But they can't just have the Legends dealer empty. Same as Used Car dealers in older games, they'd have very expensive cars available even though it was impossible to afford them in the opening weeks. So yes, previous games has cars that were located behind rotating dealerships. They're showing you what the Legends dealership will be like, and obviously, they have a set rotation. As I said before, if they didn't have the Legends dealer open at Day 1, then people would equally be complaining and claiming Kaz lied about a missing feature.

Damned if you show people cars they can't afford, or damned if you wait until they can afford them to show them?

 

[HyperSpeeder]

3 events paid out $5k too much, 2 races paid out $10k too much, & 1 race paid out $15k too much out of the 16 reduced? Those are pretty meaningless differences in the overall view of things.

You did lots and lots of farming for a car that can only be bought through the auction house for whatever another user is selling it for & that's the developers' fault?

Wheelspins. I don't buy from AH. I like to be original owner.

Not sure if you're aware but beginning of FH5 had several ways to get Super Wheelspins very fast, so I did that to get lots of exclusives. Unfortunately one of their first updates was to nerf it. It's funny though how both games did the same but one got a pass because no MTX.

Also the way the AH works is entirely on the developers, it was they who made it so "Legendary" creators can hoard all the juicy rare cars to sell them for 20 million.

 

[The359]

Dude, you could sell the expensive prize cars in the old games AND replay those events and keep winning the cars. Nothing else in this series has even come close to this level of grind. Most MMO's don't have this level of grind... Like a ****ing mobile gatcha game economy, in a $70 game 🤡🌎

Poor example. You don't need the McLaren F1 to beat the game or even do anything else in the game. This is not pay-to-win.

 

[Gt79]

3 events paid out $5k too much, 2 races paid out $10k too much, & 1 race paid out $15k too much out of the 16 reduced? Those are pretty meaningless differences in the overall view of things.

You did lots and lots of farming for a car that can only be bought through the auction house for whatever another user is selling it for & that's the developers' fault?

what's ironic is people will still find events that are easier to grind and will grind nonetheless, even if they pay less
they know that and can't be bothered, all that speech i don't want you to grind is straight up bollox and he knows that

 

[-Fred-]

It's funny though how both games did the same but one got a pass because no MTX.

That one also throws money at you like it's going out of fashion, despite removing wheelspin farming.