Legendary's Toyota Crown Majesta - First Post in 5+ Years

[ITCC_Andrew]

Mel, have you actually driven a FR before?

Most people don't offer to let me drive their cars. That's the thing about 19 year olds who want to be racing drivers; no one trusts them with their cars, and probably rightly so.

And, no, I'm not about to go and buy another (4th) car and try to fit it into the 2 parking spots my family has. Unfortunately, there's only so much room on my driveway, and in my garage; both are already full.

If anyone here were willing to let me try to drive their FR car, I'd relish the opportunity and savour the drifts. <---- See above, I probably shouldn't say that.

 

[Korza]

Most people don't offer to let me drive their cars. That's the thing about 19 year olds who want to be racing drivers; no one trusts them with their cars, and probably rightly so.

And, no, I'm not about to go and buy another (4th) car and try to fit it into the 2 parking spots my family has. Unfortunately, there's only so much room on my driveway, and in my garage; both are already full.

If anyone here were willing to let me try to drive their FR car, I'd relish the opportunity and savour the drifts. <---- See above, I probably shouldn't say that.

You're saying an AWD is better than an FR without having driven an FR?

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

You're saying an AWD is better than an FR without having driven an FR?

For a learner driver, like Legendary and me, most likely, it is.

 

[Korza]

For a learner driver, like Legendary and me, most likely, it is.

I would disagree. I learnt how to drive in a large FR car which gave me the experience and knowledge to deal with different situations like oversteer, understeer and the such. But each to their own I guess.

On a lighter note, if you pay for flights to NZ, I'll let you drive my Surf. That's a lot of fun to drive when the head gasket isn't blown and the cylinder head not warped.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Tough choice: college, or Surf?


Nah, college, sorry.

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

I would disagree. I learnt how to drive in a large FR car which gave me the experience and knowledge to deal with different situations like oversteer, understeer and the such. But each to their own I guess.

On a lighter note, if you pay for flights to NZ, I'll let you drive my Surf. That's a lot of fun to drive when the head gasket isn't blown and the cylinder head not warped.

+1

That and 4WD is a very different animal to get back if you do get it wrong, especially to an inexperienced driver. 👍

Nice car Legendary. I'd personally stick with the Scooby, but each to their own.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

+1

That and 4WD is a very different animal to get back if you do get it wrong, especially to an inexperienced driver. 👍

Nice car Legendary. I'd personally stick with the Scooby, but each to their own.

I actually just hit a big puddle halfway around a roundabout, and, in hindsight, was going a bit quick, but, the AWD system gathered it up nicely. I don't know if you mean that it's easier/harder to regain control of a 4WD car, but, it definitely seems easier to control my Subaru, than my dad's Hyundai, which is even more surprising; 4WD > FF for skid recovery? Not commenting on FR, for the obvious reason (I'd rather go to college than drive Korza's Surf,) but just tossing it out there, that the 4WD system seems easier to work with.

 

[Legendary]

I think I have more fun in my Impreza than my friend in his R32. The R32's the dream car of almost every red-blooded being in the world, whereas my Impreza wagon's the sort of car fewer people would mind seeing run into the ground. So, while he meticulously transforms his R32 into some track eating monster, and then still never proceeds to drive it up to its limits, I'm driving my Impreza at its limits every weekend this summer. It'll be great fun. This time, I don't even have to worry about the pylons, since I would only be scuffing my own front bumper.

The choice, as always, remains with you, but, keep it in mind, there are likely people who will hunt you down/hate you, if you did to your R32, what Rowan Atkinson did to that poor, defenseless McLaren F1; a car that should never have been taken up to excessive speeds by a non-professional driver. Especially not on the public streets, either.

Edit: the same friend who has the R32, also has an RX-7. While he has since learned how to control the RWD, his first autocross sessions in that RX-7 were horrendous. The pylon count was even more horrendous. Take it easy, if you do get an R32, at least for the first few days. RWD is more likely to bite, and less likely to be as awesome as I find the WRX/Impreza's AWD system.

You're still having your fun with that car, it appears the way car life goes is to either improve what you have or get faster and more capable cars. I've had my fun in this car and it's been great but it has no potential for a young bloke who is so damn restricted as to what he can do to his car by law. The fix to that is buying a faster factory car (engine mods really arent allowed at all), so I could buy a WRX the same model as mine but meh, its much the same car just faster, if I wanted the same car i'd buy it .

You're saying an AWD is better than an FR without having driven an FR?

I wouldn't even make a statement saying which is better, it's just a preference (although a preference without experience is odd), they each have their pros and cons.

+1

That and 4WD is a very different animal to get back if you do get it wrong, especially to an inexperienced driver. 👍

Nice car Legendary. I'd personally stick with the Scooby, but each to their own.

I actually just hit a big puddle halfway around a roundabout, and, in hindsight, was going a bit quick, but, the AWD system gathered it up nicely. I don't know if you mean that it's easier/harder to regain control of a 4WD car, but, it definitely seems easier to control my Subaru, than my dad's Hyundai, which is even more surprising; 4WD > FF for skid recovery? Not commenting on FR, for the obvious reason (I'd rather go to college than drive Korza's Surf,) but just tossing it out there, that the 4WD system seems easier to work with.

It would be a little harder to recover an AWD car on the road than a RWD car. Awd can be recovered by power which is probably not recommended and definitely not in rwd, you can hold insane sideways powerslides and eventually pull out but the reason I say its harder on the road is because you're unlikely to have the power to pull it out or enough road to do so. Maybe we'll just stick to letting off and correcting .

I've only ever lost the back end once and that was under brakes on a track (defensive driver training, unintentional) and that was solved by letting off and correcting. Other times i've forced it into oversteer on dirt and stuff for fun and those are the times where lots of power is acceptable .

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

I actually just hit a big puddle halfway around a roundabout, and, in hindsight, was going a bit quick, but, the AWD system gathered it up nicely. I don't know if you mean that it's easier/harder to regain control of a 4WD car, but, it definitely seems easier to control my Subaru, than my dad's Hyundai, which is even more surprising; 4WD > FF for skid recovery? Not commenting on FR, for the obvious reason (I'd rather go to college than drive Korza's Surf,) but just tossing it out there, that the 4WD system seems easier to work with.

What I mean is that to regain control of a RWD car is intuitive- you countersteer and maybe let out the gas slightly depending on the severity.

Regaining control of a sliding 4WD car is not intuitive. You have to control the car with gas and try not to countersteer too much or you'll spit out the other way.

Of course, 4WD cars are harder to get into a slide driving normally, but when they do it's more of a shock.


I'm no expert and have never driven a RWD or 4WD car before, but this is my understanding of it. 👍

 

[Punknoodle]

Look I don't mean to rude, but if you have never driven these type of vehicles, let alone been sideways in them, then don't post about how to do it. This goes for other people posting about the differences in these vehicles without actually having the practical experience to back it up.

I'm sick of people doing hero posts, pretending like they know everything but in reality they know squat. Give it a rest.

Vehicle dynamics whilst sideways come down to a lot more factors than just it's drivetrain layout. For instance the speed of the slide, the gear you are in, the type of diff(s) the car has, the weight of the vehicle, the road surface etc etc etc.

This is something that comes intuitively, with experience. You get to learn a vehicle and it's balance and the grip of the road surface and you just kinda do everything naturally.

I assure you when you enter a sharp off camber corner that you didn't see coming too fast in your GT-Four, you aren't thinking about what to do when you experience a bad case of lift off oversteer. You don't have time. I got proper sideways that day, recovered it beautifully if I do say so myself and have no idea how, I was on full auto pilot. I THINK I applied throttle when I counter steered to accelerate out of it. All I know for sure is I must have done it right, as the car and I stayed on the road and didn't hit the oncoming car..

 

[Legendary]

Look I don't mean to rude, but if you have never driven these type of vehicles, let alone been sideways in them, then don't post about how to do it. This goes for other people posting about the differences in these vehicles without actually having the practical experience to back it up.

I'm sick of people doing hero posts, pretending like they know everything but in reality they know squat. Give it a rest.

Vehicle dynamics whilst sideways come down to a lot more factors than just it's drivetrain layout. For instance the speed of the slide, the gear you are in, the type of diff(s) the car has, the weight of the vehicle, the road surface etc etc etc.

This is something that comes intuitively, with experience. You get to learn a vehicle and it's balance and the grip of the road surface and you just kinda do everything naturally.

I assure you when you enter a sharp off camber corner that you didn't see coming too fast in your GT-Four, you aren't thinking about what to do when you experience a bad case of lift off oversteer. You don't have time. I got proper sideways that day, recovered it beautifully if I do say so myself and have no idea how, I was on full auto pilot. I THINK I applied throttle when I counter steered to accelerate out of it. All I know for sure is I must have done it right, as the car and I stayed on the road and didn't hit the oncoming car..

Hmmm I did have a reply typed out but I don't know that i'll post it. You came on pretty strong there dude, its just basic discussion, noone is really trying to be a hero. We all have different understanding and experience, so long as someone isn't definitively saying this is how to do it, its just contribution to the discussion .

 

[FordMKIVJ5]

Look I don't mean to rude, but if you have never driven these type of vehicles, let alone been sideways in them, then don't post about how to do it. This goes for other people posting about the differences in these vehicles without actually having the practical experience to back it up.

I'm sick of people doing hero posts, pretending like they know everything but in reality they know squat. Give it a rest.

Vehicle dynamics whilst sideways come down to a lot more factors than just it's drivetrain layout. For instance the speed of the slide, the gear you are in, the type of diff(s) the car has, the weight of the vehicle, the road surface etc etc etc.

This is something that comes intuitively, with experience. You get to learn a vehicle and it's balance and the grip of the road surface and you just kinda do everything naturally.

I assure you when you enter a sharp off camber corner that you didn't see coming too fast in your GT-Four, you aren't thinking about what to do when you experience a bad case of lift off oversteer. You don't have time. I got proper sideways that day, recovered it beautifully if I do say so myself and have no idea how, I was on full auto pilot. I THINK I applied throttle when I counter steered to accelerate out of it. All I know for sure is I must have done it right, as the car and I stayed on the road and didn't hit the oncoming car..

Well you weren't successful.

Not once in any of my posts did I say that I could recover a slide in either a FR or AWD vehicle. I was talking about the theory of catching slides with different drivetrains learnt from other users, other people and general consensus after taking issue with this:

You're saying an AWD is better than an FR without having driven an FR?

For a learner driver, like Legendary and me, most likely, it is.

I didn't mean to imply that I was a "hero" and "knew everything".

 

[ShobThaBob]

Look I don't mean to rude, but if you have never driven these type of vehicles, let alone been sideways in them, then don't post about how to do it. This goes for other people posting about the differences in these vehicles without actually having the practical experience to back it up.

I'm sick of people doing hero posts, pretending like they know everything but in reality they know squat. Give it a rest.

Vehicle dynamics whilst sideways come down to a lot more factors than just it's drivetrain layout. For instance the speed of the slide, the gear you are in, the type of diff(s) the car has, the weight of the vehicle, the road surface etc etc etc.

This is something that comes intuitively, with experience. You get to learn a vehicle and it's balance and the grip of the road surface and you just kinda do everything naturally.

I assure you when you enter a sharp off camber corner that you didn't see coming too fast in your GT-Four, you aren't thinking about what to do when you experience a bad case of lift off oversteer. You don't have time. I got proper sideways that day, recovered it beautifully if I do say so myself and have no idea how, I was on full auto pilot. I THINK I applied throttle when I counter steered to accelerate out of it. All I know for sure is I must have done it right, as the car and I stayed on the road and didn't hit the oncoming car..

Just quoting this again because it needs to be said again. There's nothing rude about it, it's just truth.

 

[Punknoodle]

Hmmm I did have a reply typed out but I don't know that i'll post it. You came on pretty strong there dude, its just basic discussion, noone is really trying to be a hero.

Maybe my second paragraph was a little strong. I was pretty frustrated though with seeing posts from 3 different users discussing what it's like to recover each of these vehicles but having little disclaimers saying something like 'I've never actually driven one though.." Or in Mr Mel's case, having to be called out on it.

Well you weren't successful.

Not once in any of my posts did I say that I could recover a slide in either a FR or AWD vehicle. I was talking about the theory of catching slides with different drivetrains learnt from other users, other people and general consensus after taking issue with this:

I didn't mean to imply that I was a "hero" and "knew everything".

I wasn't focussing directly at you mate when I said the part about doing hero posts. The person I was mainly talking about there has made comments in he past in different threads talking like he knows everything but doesn't and it is really bloody annoying.

Anyway, back on topic. Don't get a Skyline, they are far too common. Dare to be different.

 

[Legendary]

I'll forgive you seeing as it was 12am and it's easy to get frustrated with people here .

Well it would seem a Skyline is a safer option than others. There are lots of them (not necessarily a good thing) so that means east to get parts and cheap to get them which is good for me. Being with how the p plate rules are, in order to buy a turbo car it needs to be under 125kw/t etc etc, so that's around 121 which is good. They are fairly easy to get cheap power out of, keep in mind Im still not earning good money just yet.

You could do that with other cars too but I don't know what else I'd want. Im after an FR car I know that for sure, I really don't want some slow ass one, if it's N/A and p plate legal it better be decent. Suggestions? Nick you might be familiar with tmr.redbook, any cars which aren't 125kw/t are listed as banned .

EDIT: Just had a look and GT4's are okay, but they are pretty difficult to find .

 

[Punknoodle]

I'm aware of the rule. I'd wait and save up till you are off your P's and get something better.

 

[SPhilli911]

I'm going to change the subject

Quite a difference! I love the way it is now. Keep at it! 👍

The main reason is that it's creeping up to 250k's, it's on 239 so it'd be nice to get rid of it while it's still worth something .

I'm in the same boat... I've been on the fence on selling my car for a while. The closer it gets to 100k miles (sure it's a far cry from your mileage... er kilometerage?... but in STI land that's a lot) the less valuable it gets. But I just love the car too much so I've fallen on the side of the fence that lets me drive the car into the ground. I'll never sell something I love so much.

 

[Fazerfan]

That comparison shots is fantastic. The car looks very good, specially from the side.

 

[Legendary]

That comparison shots is fantastic. The car looks very good, specially from the side.

Thanks, the side shot makes it so apparent that it needs a drop though .
Seriously going to fix that as soon as I can, going to get a few weeks pay together now that I am employed again and get right onto dropping it.

 

[Fazerfan]

Dont drop it too much, its an off road car.

 

[Legendary]

Just measured it up for the first time (god knows why I havent already) and the wheel gap on the rear is 60mm, front is 70-75mm. The springs on the shocks I have coming are only king lows which are a max 30mm drop. Once they arrive and are on the car I will wait a couple more weeks and throw superlows on all round, although I may possibly need ultralows on the front for it to sit completely proper.

Ideally, if I were spending lots of money on this car and worried alot about performance I would either get shorter shocks or coilovers but seeing as i'll probably be getting rid of it this year it's not worth it. Having the car sit low is the last thing I want to do before I am happy with the car and the time is coming.

 

[Ibonibo]

That comparison shots is fantastic. The car looks very good, specially from the side.

This 👍

 

[Murcie_LP640]

Just measured it up for the first time (god knows why I havent already) and the wheel gap on the rear is 60mm, front is 70-75mm. The springs on the shocks I have coming are only king lows which are a max 30mm drop. Once they arrive and are on the car I will wait a couple more weeks and throw superlows on all round, although I may possibly need ultralows on the front for it to sit completely proper.

Pretty gaping chasm Last time I checked I'm pretty sure mine was at around 55mm front, 50mm rear. I was considering the King Superlows (IIRC I don't think Ultralows fit on WRXs of this era); Superlows are a pretty big drop if some images on teh Googlez are to be believed.

Ideally, if I were spending lots of money on this car and worried alot about performance I would either get shorter shocks or coilovers but seeing as i'll probably be getting rid of it this year it's not worth it. Having the car sit low is the last thing I want to do before I am happy with the car and the time is coming.

Definitely not worth getting coils for this short of a timeframe, but if you can find WRX shocks on the cheap, they'll bolt straight in and you can get even moar lowz.

Simple King Springs are great for just dropping it on the cheap though; ride suffers but it makes it look awesome.

 

[Legendary]

Pretty gaping chasm Last time I checked I'm pretty sure mine was at around 55mm front, 50mm rear. I was considering the King Superlows (IIRC I don't think Ultralows fit on WRXs of this era); Superlows are a pretty big drop if some images on teh Googlez are to be believed.

Definitely not worth getting coils for this short of a timeframe, but if you can find WRX shocks on the cheap, they'll bolt straight in and you can get even moar lowz.

Simple King Springs are great for just dropping it on the cheap though; ride suffers but it makes it look awesome.

Whoa whoa whoa, hold up . Wrx shocks are shorter? Im FINALLY getting the ones I've owned since October posted to me, they're 120k's old and have king lows on them as most people have probably read 20 times haha.

I will be throwing them straight on as Im under the impression the shocks them selves are better and possibly sportier and because the ones on my car are 240k's old, completely stuffed and just horrible in general.

Now to find a friend with a guard roller, shouldn't be too difficult at all as I've gotten into the car scene quite easily here.

 

[Murcie_LP640]

Whoa whoa whoa, hold up . Wrx shocks are shorter?

Sorry, it was 3AM and I may have had a brain fart (I blame the drink!)... I don't reckon the WRX struts are shorter but they are stiffer, and it sits a little lower than the RX because of shorter springs.

I will be throwing them straight on as Im under the impression the shocks them selves are better and possibly sportier and because the ones on my car are 240k's old, completely stuffed and just horrible in general.

Probably a good idea

 

[Legendary]

So happy right now:

I have a set of superlows on the way which came up at an amazing price, had to buy them the second I saw it! Two are king springs and two are some other brand but w/e, still legit .

Turbo_Lag from this forum will be posting my shocks by the end of this week hopefully and so long as I can source some friends with a guard roller and possibly spring compressor it will all be happy days very soon.

 

[Punknoodle]

Guard roller? You aren't running wheels with a lower offset are you?

Regardless, good score mate 👍

 

[Legendary]

Guard roller? You aren't running wheels with a lower offset are you?

Regardless, good score mate 👍

Im pretty sure it's the same but the way they are now on the dead shocks is causing scrubbing while cornering hard or hitting big bumps.

To lower it 50-60mm will absolutely shred my tires .

 

[PlanBGoofy]

Wow! Glad to see you're finally getting this car to where you initially wanted it to be.

Do you have any further ideas for the vehicle?

 

[Stavingo]

Wow! Glad to see you're finally getting this car to where you initially wanted it to be.

Do you have any further ideas for the vehicle?

Wants to bottom the car out for dat dorifto action.