Legislated morality

[milefile]

It seems that so-called conservatives often advocate small government, which is a libertarian tendency. But they stop short of getting the government out of our consciences. Currently, in our government, the same people who want to cut taxes and privatize every little thing also want to legislate coercive and oppresive measures to ensure adherence to Christian morality. The current administration has given a disproportionate voice to a minority in the country, religious conservatives (uh, that's christians for those of you who can't make the connection). It's very disappointing that to get remotely close to small government and fiscal soundness in this country you have to vote republican, or throw your vote away. Similarly, to get remotely close to human rights and freedom you have to vote democrat, or throw your vote away. Moderates are a disgrace and merely combine the worst of both. They have no reason for anything they do and just pick and choose, from diametrically opposed sides, whichever idea is most convenient for right now, or will get them re-elected. It's the bastardization of goals and the will to complacency. It is such a disappointment for those who truly value freedom, which automatically implies responsibility and the individual, that we must continually choose the lesser of two evils, or completely dissociate from this political farce altogether.

 

[1X83Z]

You know you're going to get attacked for being anti-Christian, whether it's right or not, right?

Moderates are a disgrace and merely combine the worst of both. They have no reason for anything they do and just pick and choose, from diametrically opposed sides, whichever idea is most convenient for right now, or will get them re-elected.

Your state consistently elects the best moderate in politics. You can't honestly say you believe this is true for all moderate politicians...

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by M5Power
You know you're going to get attacked for being anti-Christian, whether it's right or not, right?

That's okay.

Your state consistently elects the best moderate in politics. You can't honestly say you believe this is true for all moderate politicians...

I can only say that moderates don't help matters trying to please everybody.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by milefile

I can only say that moderates don't help matters trying to please everybody.

Moderates play both sides because they can't try and align themselves totally with one side. I believe in the privatisation of social security, for example, but also in strict gun control and the allowing of (heh) gay marriage, for instance. I'm not going to call myself a liberal and change my view on social security, for the good of argument.

 

[milefile]

But when you do argue one of those things you get pigeonholed as a liberal or right wing, when you aren't. I've seen it happen to you and others and it happens to me, too. People need a convenient label to dismiss.

Moderates seem to be about "common sense". Or try to be. And I'm suspicious of it a lot of the time.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

1/2 of the problem is that there is no seperation of church and state.

The other 1/2 is plain ol' coorupt politics. We allow lobbying for one reason,... cause the **uck's who would make a law outlawing it, would lose all those 'campaign contributions' and private perks.

Money and Morality,.... ROFL,.. yeah, like those two can work hand-in-hand

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Red Eye Racer

The other 1/2 is plain ol' coorupt politics. We allow lobbying for one reason,... cause the **uck's who would make a law outlawing it, would lose all those 'campaign contributions' and private perks.

Do you even know what lobbying is?

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Originally posted by M5Power
Do you even know what lobbying is?

Yeah,.. isnt that when they hang out in the big open room at the enterance of their place of work?


FU.....

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Red Eye Racer


Yeah,.. isnt that when they hang out in the big open room at the enterance of their place of work?


FU.....

Haha, you take everything so personally.

I was looking for 'the single most regulated profession on planet Earth.' I interned at a lobbying firm for a summer - there is no way anything shady can happen anymore.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Originally posted by M5Power
Haha, you take everything so personally.

If it has anything to do with you,.. then yes,.. I do take it personally. Your on a very short list of mine,..... big suprise I bet.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
If it has anything to do with you,.. then yes,.. I do take it personally. Your on a very short list of mine,..... big suprise I bet.

So you're just going to reply personally to me rather than to the topic, and you're going to give me personally consideration rather than my words?

You've got a warped view of discussion. I'll come back when you're ready to talk about what's said, not what's happened in the past.

 

[DGB454]

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[1X83Z]

Originally posted by DGB454
Your true selves really shine when you put your minds to it don't they? Have fun.

milefile made this thread...

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Originally posted by M5Power
So you're just going to reply personally to me rather than to the topic, and you're going to give me personally consideration rather than my words?

You've got a warped view of discussion. I'll come back when you're ready to talk about what's said, not what's happened in the past.

Get bent,... I'm not giving you the satisfaction,.. your friggin impossible,.. always have been, always will be....

And yes,.. you will never hear a serious reply from me to you,.. get used to it.

Sorry mile,.. didnt mean to slop up your thread.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by DGB454
Ahhh...another string made to stir up arguments. Your true selves really shine when you put your minds to it don't they? Have fun.

Ahhh...another pointless post by someone with nothing to say. This is nothing, just wait.

 

[DGB454]

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[milefile]

Originally posted by DGB454
No point in arguing with someone who just wants to cause trouble.

No point in wiating.

What a waist of time just sitting around thinking up ways to cause trouble.

What a waste of time repeatedly posing in a thread just to criticize the thread starter. All these posts could be contributing something. But you have nothing to contribute. Either participate by sharing your opinion and being prepared to back it up with something besides claiming to have The Truth, or just forget it. Sheesh. Let go let g...

 

[rjensen11]

Originally posted by M5Power
Moderates play both sides because they can't try and align themselves totally with one side. I believe in the privatisation of social security, for example, but also in strict gun control and the allowing of (heh) gay marriage, for instance. I'm not going to call myself a liberal and change my view on social security, for the good of argument.

I find myself more as a moderate than anything else.

Here's why:

I think the US government should run all of its domestic airports. Why? Because it was more efficient back then.
I think we should increase public funding for schools, especially universities. University fees are jumping like crazy, and it'll only get worse unless the government quits 'fixing' it's budget cuts by removing more and more money from schools.
I think whoever makes airplanes or runs the airlines(preferably the government) shouldn't have to give a second seat or make custom seats for overweight people. If you can't fit into a seat on an airplane, maybe that should be a hint. If not that, then maybe the fact that when you drive your car, even though you jacked it up, when your muffler constantly drags on the road, you should lose some weight.
I also think that there should be a cap on malpractice suits. They're truely ruining our healthcare systems.
I think that the national parks that we have set aside should NOT be used for oil pumping and exploration. We set them aside for a reason, it would just be like opening Sequoia National Park and doing whatever we want there. Screw the 500 year old trees and all the animals that reside there because of urban sprawl destroying their habitat.
I also think that we should stop any more slash and burn in the rainforests. We have the technology to produce more food in a smaller space. Let's share the wealth of knowledge and save millions of animals and billions of acres of very fragile forests so we can let more generations live on this planet before it all gets destroyed.

 

[Danoff]

Milefile put his finger on the party issue with this thread.

Conservatives get it half right (I would argue a slightly more important half), the liberals get the other half right (a less enforcable half).

That's why I vote libertarian and get to watch my vote go down the drain because nobody else can seem to see past party lines. I don't quite get the mob mentality.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
Get bent,... I'm not giving you the satisfaction,.. your friggin impossible,.. always have been, always will be....

And yes,.. you will never hear a serious reply from me to you,.. get used to it.

Sorry mile,.. didnt mean to slop up your thread.

The opinion forum is for discussing opinions, not going off on a personal tangent about how much I've hurt you in past discussions.

Like the Honda Accord? I hear the new one drives well.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by rjensen11
I find myself more as a moderate than anything else.

Here's why:

I think the US government should run all of its domestic airports. Why? Because it was more efficient back then.

It was more efficient for yourself and me, but it was hard for the government. They had to do too much.

I think we should increase public funding for schools, especially universities. University fees are jumping like crazy, and it'll only get worse unless the government quits 'fixing' it's budget cuts by removing more and more money from schools.

I agree completely on both counts - is Minnesota in a budget crisis? I've got to hand it to state governors, they've come up with some pretty creative ways to fix state budget deficits, except on about one issue and that's consistently been the same: cutting budgets from public schools, especially universities.

I think whoever makes airplanes or runs the airlines(preferably the government) shouldn't have to give a second seat or make custom seats for overweight people. If you can't fit into a seat on an airplane, maybe that should be a hint. If not that, then maybe the fact that when you drive your car, even though you jacked it up, when your muffler constantly drags on the road, you should lose some weight.

I'll take it one further: there should be a fat tax. Taxes rule!

I also think that there should be a cap on malpractice suits. They're truely ruining our healthcare systems.

A shortage of certain medical professions is starting to creep up in places in this country, so something clearly needs to be done. Texas has just passed a bill starting work on a cap on malpractice suits.

I think that the national parks that we have set aside should NOT be used for oil pumping and exploration. We set them aside for a reason, it would just be like opening Sequoia National Park and doing whatever we want there. Screw the 500 year old trees and all the animals that reside there because of urban sprawl destroying their habitat.

I agree, but I wouldn't if my income wasn't directly impacted by the situation.

 

[rjensen11]

Originally posted by M5Power
I agree, but I wouldn't if my income wasn't directly impacted by the situation. [/B]

If your income wasn't, I'm sure you wouldn't be as gun-ho as Bush is, though...

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by rjensen11
If your income wasn't, I'm sure you wouldn't be as gun-ho as Bush is, though...

Certainly not - nobody would. I'm not even sure Bush is as gung-ho as Bush is; environmentalists tend to hype things.

 

[rjensen11]

Originally posted by M5Power
Certainly not - nobody would. I'm not even sure Bush is as gung-ho as Bush is; environmentalists tend to hype things.

Yeah, but when I was watching one of his speeches, it was yesterday, when he was here in MN, actually, I think he was in Anoka, MN, Bush was trying to rally his audience by not mentioning the word/place "Alska" but saying that "We need to be less reliant on foriegn oil, and we now have the technology to do that!" and other things like that. He also brought in the environment into it.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by rjensen11
Yeah, but when I was watching one of his speeches, it was yesterday, when he was here in MN, actually, I think he was in Anoka, MN, Bush was trying to rally his audience by not mentioning the word/place "Alska" but saying that "We need to be less reliant on foriegn oil, and we now have the technology to do that!" and other things like that. He also brought in the environment into it.

I don't know who he's kidding even talking about the environment. Nobody is going to vote for him based solely on his environmental record, so why even bring it up?

 

[DGB454]

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[1X83Z]

Originally posted by DGB454
There is a large swing vote out there I believe he is trying to capture.

And there's no way he's going to capture it based on any of the topics you mention. If people vote for Bush, they'll vote based on the Iraq war, his gun policy (Talentless voted 25 times), or their patriotic views if they carry from 11 September (or simply for lack of a better Democratic option).

 

[DGB454]

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