Legislated morality

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He's only singled out because he's the one who's pushing his beliefs. Nobody should be allowed to. I'm not advocating one belief over another.

BLIND I SAY!
 
So what would be your opinion of my Commie judge with the Hammer and Sickle hanging in his courtroom?
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
So what would be your opinion of my Commie judge with the Hammer and Sickle hanging in his courtroom?
You put the judge in Russia, didn't you?

He'd be sent to a red prison.
 
No, he's an American judge, excercising his "right" to self expression by hanging a Soviet flag in his courtroom, just like the judge in Alabama supposedly hung the Ten Commandments in his.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
No, he's an American judge, excercising his "right" to self expression by hanging a Soviet flag in his courtroom, just like the judge in Alabama supposedly hung the Ten Commandments in his.

Since when is it his courtroom?

Since it's state/city/county/federal property, I don't change my answer.
 
Every judge has his own beliefs. You are asking one individual to give up his when he puts the robe on? Do you think all the others are able to do that also?
Doubtful.
Judges should be motivated by the U.S. legal code and a little common sense. That’s it, nothing else. There should be no other influence whatsoever and if they can’t manage to pull that off than they have no business being a judge. If this guy can’t manage to keep the 10 commandments and religion out of his work then he has no business serving the country and laying down judgment on the various Atheists, Agnostics, Pagans, Muslims and Buddhists that we have living in this country.
He absolutely must be able to separate his religious beliefs from his judgment if he is to maintain the separation of church and state that has benefited our country so much over the last 200 years (to the extent that we’ve been able to pull it off). Displaying the 10 commandments in his courtroom is a symptom of his inability to separate religion from law.
I actually think Duke’s example of putting up a soviet flag would be more appropriate than the 10 commandments (although I personally find it much more offensive).
 
Yup...

and displaying the 10 commandments is indicative of the fact that that particular judge is not only not trying to keep his beliefs out of it, he's advertising that he's not keeping his beliefs out of his judgements.
 
This is a law?

I named a way that religious people tell me what to do, not ways that the government tells me what to do.

I was estabilshing the fact that religious people often feel the need to tell others how to live their lives. My point was that it is unacceptable that religious people then try to get the government to help them tell others what to do.
 
Notice I didn't say succeed, just try to get the government to tell others what to do. The mere attempt is disgusting.
 
Originally posted by DGB454
Pepsico tells me to drink Pepsi. What's next? Satanist telling us to go to hell? If they tell us we must obey.
Choosing to drink pepsi or not has no consequences other than them not getting your money. Choosing liberty over coersion can have, if some get their way, dire consequences. The pepsi example is not analogous.
 
For instance, the gay Texas couple who were having sex in their own bedroom when the police erroneously entered their apartment in response to a domestic disturbance that was in another apartment. The cops saw the sex and arrested them both because "sodomy" is illegal. So the cops can stumble into the wrong apartment but still nab you for engaging in a consentual act between two adults. That's what I'm talking about.
 
I'm not saying that any religious person telling me what to do is something I think the government should do something about, quite the contrary actually. Religious people should be able to try to get their message out, that's fine. My problem is using the government to do it. When they try to get the government to force poeple to be moral, that's when things go south. (Notice I didn't say succeed).

My original statement was that religious people seem to be constantly telling others what to do. I stand by that. You wanted an example of them telling me what to do, I gave you one.

The result of them telling others what to do is that they have begun to seek the government's assistance in doing so.
 
Then stop whining about it and do something.
Im doing something about having to pay for abortions.

I vote. That's not a problem. We're discussing whether something is right or not. We're discussing the ethics of legislated morality. That's not whining, it's a debate. I'm claiming that it is unethical to legislate morality. Are you claiming that it is ethical? Because if not, then we have nothing to talk about really.

Who's making you pay for abortions? Can I see some stats?
 
Originally posted by DGB454
Then stop whining about it and do something.
Discussing it in a public forum is doing something. So is voting. But I would say that public discussion is even more important. Can you suggest any other action? What if I pray?
 
Originally posted by DGB454
Praying is always good. Writing your congressman, donating time and money to orginizations that support your beliefs.
Okay. How much time have you donated to an organization that tries to keep tax money from being spent on abortions? What did you do for them?
 
I written letters, too, to John Shaddeg. One was about the numerous tax exemptions in AZ, and how they will cut education and state emloyees salaries before they will charge tax on a prostitute or a haircut for your dog. The other was about this "Total Information Awareness" nonsense.
 
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