Lemons Season 4: Next Race on 29 November
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True, ballast can affect the car a bit, but so can too much engine limiting. We'd have to find a balance, and say that one can't use too much of either.
I was lucky, and didn't have to use either to tweak my car around. I couldn't get it to land on 345 evenly. I started the night with 343. But I could get on 350, 355, 360, and 365 with just the right parts. I stayed away from the turbos completely. No idea if having a turbo would make me faster. I fear the lag.
Clearly, the system didn't help over come my poor approach to Laguna Seca. I finished last until the last two races there. In those, I was only able to over take one straggler. I got 5th instead of 6th because in both of those races someone crashed hard enough to fall out of the race.
My car had more power than I needed to stay up with the group at GVE-R. First race there, I start on the back row and in the first two laps cleanly pass everyone but the leader. That was fantastic fun, and I'm excited that I did all of that passing without even touching another car, but it was a bit hollow. My car had more power than I needed.
In the end, I was closing the gap on the leader, Nic, but the race wasn't long enough.
In the last race, I start again on the back row. I have 5 less PP than the previous race. The racing was much tighter, it was not as easy for me to get past everyone, but I did. I got back to second and was closing on the leader (Leadbedr). I made a mistake entering the second turn, though. In the previous race, it wouldn't've been that big a deal, but in that race, it was so close that I quickly fell to 6th. In that corner!
I was able to get back to 4th, but that was due in part to a big three car accident infront of me that took out one car completely and crippled the other two.
I like this system so far.
As to using 2 points (or 3). How easy is it going to be for people to shift their car by two or three points? Again, I've already said I like it, but there were people having some problems getting just right. I guess we need to set a hard line on how much limiting and see what people can do.
Two other things:
The first race last night, everyone started at 345. I think everyone should start one increment above the base line, so last night it would've been 350. That way the leaders can immediately drop one increment.
I also think the null point should be slightly forward. Like a falchion and not a katana with it slightly off-balance intentionally. So:
1st quarter is down 1 increment
2nd quarter is stays the same
3rd quarter is up 1 increment
4th quarter is up 2 increments
Or
1st fifth is down one increment
2nd and 3rd fifths stay the same
4th fifth is up 1 increment
5th fifth is up 2 increments
Though, in that,I could see the 3rd fifth being up 1 increment with the forth fifth.
The idea is there is less punishment for finishing well. I do want the field to be tightened, but I still want the poorer drivers to have to push and get better. I don't mind losing so much at Laguna Seca. I was closer, I wasn't loosing too much, and I was losing simply because I wasn't getting those corners just right. That last gap I need to close. And the actual better drivers win the championship, even if they lose to me at GVE-R.
I hope that makes sense.
I was lucky, and didn't have to use either to tweak my car around. I couldn't get it to land on 345 evenly. I started the night with 343. But I could get on 350, 355, 360, and 365 with just the right parts. I stayed away from the turbos completely. No idea if having a turbo would make me faster. I fear the lag.
Clearly, the system didn't help over come my poor approach to Laguna Seca. I finished last until the last two races there. In those, I was only able to over take one straggler. I got 5th instead of 6th because in both of those races someone crashed hard enough to fall out of the race.
My car had more power than I needed to stay up with the group at GVE-R. First race there, I start on the back row and in the first two laps cleanly pass everyone but the leader. That was fantastic fun, and I'm excited that I did all of that passing without even touching another car, but it was a bit hollow. My car had more power than I needed.
In the end, I was closing the gap on the leader, Nic, but the race wasn't long enough.
In the last race, I start again on the back row. I have 5 less PP than the previous race. The racing was much tighter, it was not as easy for me to get past everyone, but I did. I got back to second and was closing on the leader (Leadbedr). I made a mistake entering the second turn, though. In the previous race, it wouldn't've been that big a deal, but in that race, it was so close that I quickly fell to 6th. In that corner!
I was able to get back to 4th, but that was due in part to a big three car accident infront of me that took out one car completely and crippled the other two.
I like this system so far.
As to using 2 points (or 3). How easy is it going to be for people to shift their car by two or three points? Again, I've already said I like it, but there were people having some problems getting just right. I guess we need to set a hard line on how much limiting and see what people can do.
Two other things:
The first race last night, everyone started at 345. I think everyone should start one increment above the base line, so last night it would've been 350. That way the leaders can immediately drop one increment.
I also think the null point should be slightly forward. Like a falchion and not a katana with it slightly off-balance intentionally. So:
1st quarter is down 1 increment
2nd quarter is stays the same
3rd quarter is up 1 increment
4th quarter is up 2 increments
Or
1st fifth is down one increment
2nd and 3rd fifths stay the same
4th fifth is up 1 increment
5th fifth is up 2 increments
Though, in that,I could see the 3rd fifth being up 1 increment with the forth fifth.
The idea is there is less punishment for finishing well. I do want the field to be tightened, but I still want the poorer drivers to have to push and get better. I don't mind losing so much at Laguna Seca. I was closer, I wasn't loosing too much, and I was losing simply because I wasn't getting those corners just right. That last gap I need to close. And the actual better drivers win the championship, even if they lose to me at GVE-R.
I hope that makes sense.
chuyler1
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Yes. Very good idea. The thought of dropping Nic and I to 340 for the second race went through my head. We should certainly use this to start things off on an even keel.
I understand the goal you are trying to make, but it intices drivers to sandbag. A middle of the road driver will not be able to maintain the same points after multiple races as a driver who sandbags one race to move to the top and slowly trickle back down. If the championship points are evenly distributed, the handicap points should be too. Finishing 10th followed by 1st should put you at the same performance for a 3rd race as placing 5th and 6th.
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Ah, yes. That does make sense.
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- diabolicwyvern
Opinion: I think I finishing first was entirely possible despite missing two btw. Race 7 I was heading for an easy 4th before star wrecked huyler and i t-boned the two of you. The last race I ran a 345PP polo instead of a 350 PP vitz like I should have. I think top three was a shoe in. I'm gettin' antsy
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chuyler1
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Definitely possible. It's all about avoiding the accidents. CM tires with RWD is not very forgiving. All Star had to do was hit my rear quarter at the apex of the turn to pit maneuver me in front of the entire pack of cars. I forgot to save the replay but I remember being late on the throttle because I was boxed in, then when I started to put the throttle on he hit me to break loose my rear end. I lifted off the throttle to regain control and another hit completed the pit maneuver. I ended up with damage on both front corners but none on the rear.
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- diabolicwyvern
I t-boned one of you guys and bounced into the other. Then, with my car obscured in a cloud of smoke, got swiped by garris and rolled into the grass. One lap left + irreversible damage all over = early exit.
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Yeah, I tried to go wide, but you bounced wider. I was worried about how hard I hit you. I didn't take damage, but I could tell you weren't heading in a good direction.
The one draw back of having the racing being this tight is we will have cars closer together and hitting more often. Sometimes, accidents happen. I have the replay, but I haven't looked at it, so I don't know if it was a case of someone being overly aggressive, or a simple case of minor misjudgement. There were lots of turns where we were going three wide, it was crazy.
Still, I am looking forward to this.
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- diabolicwyvern
Probably not needed. Star was fairly aggressive, but you could have looked at Chuyler's car and itd get loose. Knowing the limitations of the cars around you is just as important (probably more) than knowing your own.
Guess what I'm saying is too have a decent idea how cars will react when bumped.
Guess what I'm saying is too have a decent idea how cars will react when bumped.
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- spooble
What pp are we looking at for next season? I'd say somewhere around 400 would be good. I've been buying dupes of anything that looks interesting from 350pp to 450pp, just in case. But now that I think about it, we won't need a test mule next season if we're just going by the honor system with pp.
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Part of me likes 345-355 as a start on CM/CS with no suspension or LSD and possibly no transmission. Part of me likes fully tuned 450 SS so I can work on building cars to reuse during the 450 nights (and if Bowtie likes this system and doesn't want to do the cash system next season and we do run two series, then maybe we can do one 345-355 CM/CS and one 450 SS, though, I don't know that I could commit to both and would probably just do the 450 SS, lot to think about).
Really though, it makes more sense to stay around 345-355. I do want to offer this: I think it makes sense to use engine tuning and weight reduction before the season starts to get the car up to the minimum, then use bolt-ons during the season. But Huyler does bring up a good point, you could have more than one copy of the car, already built out to each of the PP points. Or built out to some of the major milestones.
I like 2 or 3 PP steps, I just don't know how easy they will be to achieve with bolt-ons and limited detuning.
Really though, it makes more sense to stay around 345-355. I do want to offer this: I think it makes sense to use engine tuning and weight reduction before the season starts to get the car up to the minimum, then use bolt-ons during the season. But Huyler does bring up a good point, you could have more than one copy of the car, already built out to each of the PP points. Or built out to some of the major milestones.
I like 2 or 3 PP steps, I just don't know how easy they will be to achieve with bolt-ons and limited detuning.
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- spooble
If we allow engine limiting to 95%, I don't think anyone would have problems hitting any pp they need for the series. The other night I grabbed a car that was 348pp and I only had to limit to 98.8% to hit 345. I haven't tested it, but if the data is linear, you should be able to drop about 10pp with 5% detuning.
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- diabolicwyvern
I may not make tonights race. Ive got xmas crap to do and packing for a trip...plus the misses wants me to help bake cookies. (oh joy) theoretically, I could make it, but my car is awful still and my time is better spent making my wife happy.
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I completely understand that, "my time is better spent" idea. Next season will be much better.
After tonight's race, we will have just one more. I will be ready to start a new series on the 10th of January, but I will probably start an interest thread and a poll in the next few days.
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I just did a 4:51.5 in practice.
It was all messed up by me crashing in the first race when I should've had second, and crashing out of Deep Forest Reverse. Or being crashed out, I don't remember.
I should've finished slightly higher at London, too.
Point is, by finishing below where my car and ability warranted, I now have a ludicrous car.
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The last race is next week.
I've updated the leaderboard. Wii is still in the lead.
As to this race, the weather was nice. It was dry for a good portion, then started raining steady. We had 100% by the end.
Dabney was robbed by his pit crew. That is a shame.
I finished a minute ahead of the crowd, like I said, the cash system gave me too much because of my crash in the first race and such and so many people dropping out.
The rest of the field was very close. They kept swapping positions throughout the race. Not sure we've had that close of racing this late in the season.
We only had six people this week. That was kind of a shame. I think everyone is looking forward to next season more so than finishing this season.
I've updated the leaderboard. Wii is still in the lead.
As to this race, the weather was nice. It was dry for a good portion, then started raining steady. We had 100% by the end.
Dabney was robbed by his pit crew. That is a shame.
I finished a minute ahead of the crowd, like I said, the cash system gave me too much because of my crash in the first race and such and so many people dropping out.
The rest of the field was very close. They kept swapping positions throughout the race. Not sure we've had that close of racing this late in the season.
We only had six people this week. That was kind of a shame. I think everyone is looking forward to next season more so than finishing this season.
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- spooble
The race was pretty fun. Not quite as exciting as the low-boost race Monday night, but the rain kept me on my toes near the end. I thought I would be able draft with Garris a bit, but the Demio just can't get the power to the ground... even on Racing Hards. Garris was about 5 seconds a lap faster.
After pitting for rain slicks near the end, I was able to get within 30 seconds of Garris after he had a spin. I thought I might have a shot if he made some mistakes, but after the rain hit 100%, my car felt like it was on ice and I had several spins myself.
Looking forward to next week to see if I can hang on to the podium!
After pitting for rain slicks near the end, I was able to get within 30 seconds of Garris after he had a spin. I thought I might have a shot if he made some mistakes, but after the rain hit 100%, my car felt like it was on ice and I had several spins myself.
Looking forward to next week to see if I can hang on to the podium!
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- diabolicwyvern
DLC Question:
"previous batch of DLC will now be available on all the user accounts of a PlayStation 3 console (they can be purchased from their respective dealers within the game)."
What does this mean? If we added the DLC to our main account, we have to then spend money in game to buy them for our secondary accounts? It cant mean that DLC is available to all, even those who didnt buy it, right?
(Posted to 450PP thread as well...just looking for answer)
And, yes, even I have thrown in the towel for this season. As May once said, "You brought the wrong car." Yes, I did. Before I make any choices where the end PP isnt limited, I need to make sure I find out what the max PP is. This silly Vauxhall barely breaks 410 with engine tuning 2 and 3.
"previous batch of DLC will now be available on all the user accounts of a PlayStation 3 console (they can be purchased from their respective dealers within the game)."
What does this mean? If we added the DLC to our main account, we have to then spend money in game to buy them for our secondary accounts? It cant mean that DLC is available to all, even those who didnt buy it, right?
(Posted to 450PP thread as well...just looking for answer)
And, yes, even I have thrown in the towel for this season. As May once said, "You brought the wrong car." Yes, I did. Before I make any choices where the end PP isnt limited, I need to make sure I find out what the max PP is. This silly Vauxhall barely breaks 410 with engine tuning 2 and 3.
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- spooble
As it is right now, I've bought the DLC on my "spooble" account. If I log in as "GTP_spooble", the DLC is not available to use, so I would have to buy it again to use it on that account. What they're doing is making it so that once one of your accounts purchases the DLC, it's available to all accounts on that console.
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It also means you can purchase a second or third or fourth copy of these cars through their dealerships.
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