LeMONS to LeMANS Race Series -- Season Ended
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Honestly, I only spend maybe an hour tops picking parts. The fine tuning will be done prior to the race. I haven't touched the car in a month. I don't even remember what parts I picked. I'll have to work backwards from my spreadsheet.
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- Saint Louis
- diabolicwyvern
Do you know about what time the room will be open tomorrow? I need as much time as possible for testing 
- 2,254
- Burlington, NC, USA
- a_garris/Vol_Jbolaz
Chuyler, I'm sending you my loadout shortly.
I took this week's kit on GVE-R and was doing 1:13s. So, this week's car can keep up with the cars the leaders had last week.
I took this week's kit on GVE-R and was doing 1:13s. So, this week's car can keep up with the cars the leaders had last week.
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- Saint Louis
- diabolicwyvern
With the settings from last race (just adding sport hard tires) my time are consistently high 1:26.xxx. Top time was only 1:26.1xx. I only tried 6 laps and in its current config, given a few more, it could go mid 1:25s. With 29K to spend...I'm thinking a top time in the low 1:24s/high 1:23s
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- a_garris/Vol_Jbolaz
My competition car has 25 more horses than my test car (talk about engine break-in, I must be missing something somewhere). With that extra power, I was able to do 1:26s.
This is after spending my money. You should spend yours (at least a little).
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I think i posted (a month ago now) that I was doing a best lap of 1:23 or 1:24. Typical laps were in the 1:25s though. If I have time on my lunch break I'll do some more laps, mainly so I can monitor tire wear. I couldn't keep up with the leaders at GVE-R because each lap introduced more understeer. If I can get the yaw setting right, it should help me wear the rears at the same rate as the fronts.
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- gjbaldwin60
I'm running 1:24/1:25s, but the car is a bit of a handful to control.. should be interesting over 60 laps!
Chuyler, I think 60 laps is going to be perfect for the 1 vs 2 stop decision as this track is considerably harder on tires (at least with me behind the wheel!) and there will be a lot of degradation in performance as we go longer in the runs.
Chuyler, I think 60 laps is going to be perfect for the 1 vs 2 stop decision as this track is considerably harder on tires (at least with me behind the wheel!) and there will be a lot of degradation in performance as we go longer in the runs.
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- Saint Louis
- diabolicwyvern
Nope. I dont think there is enough to gain on this course with a 4WD drive car. I think I'll still be in top half with no changes allowing me to spend down to zero for Laguna.
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I'm hoping for another decent top 5 finish on this track. I know I won't be able to drive at the extreme limit for an hour on the remaining courses so if I can gain some points early in the season I'll just focus on not going off-track when we get to the tough courses.
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- diabolicwyvern
I've painted my Subie...hopefull that's acceptable. I've only spent a fraction of my available...when do you need to know?
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- aGrenadeShark
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Chuyler told me to tell all you guys to PM me with your mods and all ur settings so i can make sure they are legit.
P.S. Yes.... that's what he told me!.
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- a_garris/Vol_Jbolaz
See, its jokes like that that make me start to wonder at times. You know what I mean? If you make jokes like this so often, then when are you really telling the truth?
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- Greensboro/NC/U
- jarod336/GTP_torque
- Paperorplastic/ manherollen
Im in 
Just got me a 97 civic and im ready to go!
psn is Jarod336
30.000cr
19,980 civic type R.
Low rpm range turbo kit 4,500 cr
stage 1 engine 2500. cr
ECU tuning 1000.cr
sports racing exhaust 1500 cr
racing air filter 450 cr
plus fresh oil change 250cr
29740cr spent in all.
Just got me a 97 civic and im ready to go!psn is Jarod336
30.000cr
19,980 civic type R.
Low rpm range turbo kit 4,500 cr
stage 1 engine 2500. cr
ECU tuning 1000.cr
sports racing exhaust 1500 cr
racing air filter 450 cr
plus fresh oil change 250cr
29740cr spent in all.
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- a_garris/Vol_Jbolaz
I so should've been fourth this week (and last week I should've beat the Sylvia's). I'm not good by any stretch, but I am taking myself out with horrible wrecks.
PS: If you are on my friend list, don't forget to cash out your Bobs. I run them when I work from home, but I don't run any with three prize lights.
PS: If you are on my friend list, don't forget to cash out your Bobs. I run them when I work from home, but I don't run any with three prize lights.
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- a_garris/Vol_Jbolaz
Sorry for stuffing everyone up last night. I'll have to watch some of the replay just to see how others take that turn.
I come into turn 8 and get up to about 105 MPH in 4th gear. Ideally, I feather the throttle and just try to hold that corner. When I can see the curbing on the right hand side, I know the car will hold. I give it the beans.
I have the steering hard over the rest of the way and catch fifth. I shoot a line straight through turn 9 for the inside of turn 10. This will put two wheels on the grass on the inside of turn 9. I have to be in fourth for turn 10.
I am on the brakes before my tires go in the grass for turn 9, but I try not to ride the brakes too long. If I am on the brakes in the grass, my car will get squirrelly. This happened in a much earlier lap where I trade paint with Chuyler. That was the lap that Grenade said Chuyler made an unsporting re-entry to the track.
If I wait until after I'm off the grass to get on the brakes, I won't slow down enough and I'll go very wide in 10. Mind you, I can see that as a good line, but I have such horrible understeer that, more times then not, I punch the wall on the outside of 10 doing that.
Braking before 9 will get me slow enough to ease into the throttle through 10 and hold the inside of that turn.
I come into turn 8 and get up to about 105 MPH in 4th gear. Ideally, I feather the throttle and just try to hold that corner. When I can see the curbing on the right hand side, I know the car will hold. I give it the beans.
I have the steering hard over the rest of the way and catch fifth. I shoot a line straight through turn 9 for the inside of turn 10. This will put two wheels on the grass on the inside of turn 9. I have to be in fourth for turn 10.
I am on the brakes before my tires go in the grass for turn 9, but I try not to ride the brakes too long. If I am on the brakes in the grass, my car will get squirrelly. This happened in a much earlier lap where I trade paint with Chuyler. That was the lap that Grenade said Chuyler made an unsporting re-entry to the track.
If I wait until after I'm off the grass to get on the brakes, I won't slow down enough and I'll go very wide in 10. Mind you, I can see that as a good line, but I have such horrible understeer that, more times then not, I punch the wall on the outside of 10 doing that.
Braking before 9 will get me slow enough to ease into the throttle through 10 and hold the inside of that turn.
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- Saint Louis
- diabolicwyvern
Huyler - I cant remember what you answered or if but do you want us to share our car or merely tell you what parts were on it? Turns out I did have turbo 1 installed. (386ish HP )
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- gjbaldwin60
Good race last night.. it looks like the 1 stop strategy was superior, although I really wished I wouldn't have pulled a "Shark" and tagged the wall in turn 10 when I was talking. I still think the 1 stoppers would have beat me though, just would have been a hell of a lot closer. I could run fast for 20 laps but after that the times went off dramatically.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to laguna next week..
Greg
Anyway, I'm looking forward to laguna next week..
Greg
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My car should still be shared if you want to take a look. I forget the specifics but I know I opted for the racing exhaust over a turbo or suspension. Then I think I did another weight stage and some cheap mods. I'll double check for the exact mods tonight (unless someone wants to get in the game and read off the parts list).
Break down of my laps...
Turn 1: I nailed this just about every lap. I used hard braking to start coming from 5th to 4th to 3rd. Once I hit 3rd I eased up on the brakes and got inside and shifted to 2nd for the exit.
Turn 2: Depending on my tires, I sometimes made it to 4th gear. Most of the time i'd ease off the throttle and coast around. I noticed grenade was tapping the brakes. That threw me off my rhythm until I figured out he wasn't using much brake at all.
Turn 3: I focused on hitting the apex. The off-camber nature of the entry makes this hard to hit just right, but when you do, it gives you a slingshot through turn 4 and up the hill. I know someone mentioned on the radio I had tons of power here...Yes I had over 400hp, but on that lap I nailed the turn 3 apex and was on the throttle much sooner than who ever was in front of me.
Turn 5-6: I never pushed this turn too hard. The fastest route is to put your left wheels on the grass for 5 and your right wheels on the grass for 6. However given the sloppy nature of my suspension, barely even touched the curbing for 5 for fear of screwing up 6.
Turn 7: Another hairpin. I play it smooth. Grenade used more turn in than me relying on the yaw control. I tried his technique a few times but my car was understeering too much at that point to get enough bite for the quick rotation.
Turn 8: i was full throttle until about half way. I would lift off momentarily then get back on the gas. Getting on the gas would rotate my car and line it up for a straight shot through 9. Brake before 10 and put the right wheels into the grass, they will catch the curbing on the way out and rotate the car.
Turn 10: Basically hit both apexes at 30-35 mph and slam the gas when you see the pit wall.
Tire wear: My fronts wore down faster than my rears. I started out with great balance mid turn but after about 15 laps understeer took over. I think we were running high 1:25s at the beginning of the race. After 20 laps I really had to adjust my braking points to avoid running wide entering turns. Lap times slowed to 1:26s. At 25 laps I was done for. I just held on hoping my 1:27-1:28-1:29 lap times were enough hold my position.
Final laps: I pushed the car hard to catch up to grenade after some altercations in turns 9 and 10. I was powering through turn 8 burning up more tire than I probably should have. Once i got close to grenade, I think he increased his pace. If I hadn't applied pressure I think he would've coasted to victory. As it turned out, my pressure caused him to make a few mistakes. The only problem was, when I passed him, I had no tires left to block for more than one lap. He finally got by me on the inside of turn 8. I just couldn't hold the bottom of the track and my pace was so slow it didn't take much for him to get around me. he probably could've passed on the outside.
Things I could've done to win: My only regret was pitting on lap 30. I had a dwindling 4 second lead and I figured I could keep grenade from drafting me if I went to the pits before he caught up. I could've easily gone another 2 or 3 laps and that would've helped at the end of the race. I think I had the lead on lap 57 but my tires officially gave out on lap 58. I made a few mistakes in turns 9-10 on my own which cost me a little track position, but I think we all did that.
Overall, this race was very enjoyable and I'm glad cars finished close together after 60 laps. I think grenade and I will definitely be out-powered next week...but at Laguna, there is lots of time to be had with running clean lines and staying out of trouble. The corkscrew on worn tires is going to be hairy! Speaking of which, I was running 1:34 lap times last night when i switched to Laguna. I'm guessing there is a good 5 seconds to be had with upgrades and running a faster line. Do we want to do 60 laps again or drop it down to 50 laps?
Break down of my laps...
Turn 1: I nailed this just about every lap. I used hard braking to start coming from 5th to 4th to 3rd. Once I hit 3rd I eased up on the brakes and got inside and shifted to 2nd for the exit.
Turn 2: Depending on my tires, I sometimes made it to 4th gear. Most of the time i'd ease off the throttle and coast around. I noticed grenade was tapping the brakes. That threw me off my rhythm until I figured out he wasn't using much brake at all.
Turn 3: I focused on hitting the apex. The off-camber nature of the entry makes this hard to hit just right, but when you do, it gives you a slingshot through turn 4 and up the hill. I know someone mentioned on the radio I had tons of power here...Yes I had over 400hp, but on that lap I nailed the turn 3 apex and was on the throttle much sooner than who ever was in front of me.
Turn 5-6: I never pushed this turn too hard. The fastest route is to put your left wheels on the grass for 5 and your right wheels on the grass for 6. However given the sloppy nature of my suspension, barely even touched the curbing for 5 for fear of screwing up 6.
Turn 7: Another hairpin. I play it smooth. Grenade used more turn in than me relying on the yaw control. I tried his technique a few times but my car was understeering too much at that point to get enough bite for the quick rotation.
Turn 8: i was full throttle until about half way. I would lift off momentarily then get back on the gas. Getting on the gas would rotate my car and line it up for a straight shot through 9. Brake before 10 and put the right wheels into the grass, they will catch the curbing on the way out and rotate the car.
Turn 10: Basically hit both apexes at 30-35 mph and slam the gas when you see the pit wall.
Tire wear: My fronts wore down faster than my rears. I started out with great balance mid turn but after about 15 laps understeer took over. I think we were running high 1:25s at the beginning of the race. After 20 laps I really had to adjust my braking points to avoid running wide entering turns. Lap times slowed to 1:26s. At 25 laps I was done for. I just held on hoping my 1:27-1:28-1:29 lap times were enough hold my position.
Final laps: I pushed the car hard to catch up to grenade after some altercations in turns 9 and 10. I was powering through turn 8 burning up more tire than I probably should have. Once i got close to grenade, I think he increased his pace. If I hadn't applied pressure I think he would've coasted to victory. As it turned out, my pressure caused him to make a few mistakes. The only problem was, when I passed him, I had no tires left to block for more than one lap. He finally got by me on the inside of turn 8. I just couldn't hold the bottom of the track and my pace was so slow it didn't take much for him to get around me. he probably could've passed on the outside.
Things I could've done to win: My only regret was pitting on lap 30. I had a dwindling 4 second lead and I figured I could keep grenade from drafting me if I went to the pits before he caught up. I could've easily gone another 2 or 3 laps and that would've helped at the end of the race. I think I had the lead on lap 57 but my tires officially gave out on lap 58. I made a few mistakes in turns 9-10 on my own which cost me a little track position, but I think we all did that.
Overall, this race was very enjoyable and I'm glad cars finished close together after 60 laps. I think grenade and I will definitely be out-powered next week...but at Laguna, there is lots of time to be had with running clean lines and staying out of trouble. The corkscrew on worn tires is going to be hairy! Speaking of which, I was running 1:34 lap times last night when i switched to Laguna. I'm guessing there is a good 5 seconds to be had with upgrades and running a faster line. Do we want to do 60 laps again or drop it down to 50 laps?
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Ok well we have three options...
1) fatrab gets 7th and sl3ight gets 8th based on when they left the game
2) sl3ight gets 7th and fat rab gets 8th based on how they would have finished had both remained for the entire race
3) Give both fatrab and sl3ight 7th place points and rewards since fatrab's place was gained via a network issue and we don't really know who would have finished ahead.
I'm leaning toward just going with 3, but we can vote on it.
1) fatrab gets 7th and sl3ight gets 8th based on when they left the game
2) sl3ight gets 7th and fat rab gets 8th based on how they would have finished had both remained for the entire race
3) Give both fatrab and sl3ight 7th place points and rewards since fatrab's place was gained via a network issue and we don't really know who would have finished ahead.
I'm leaning toward just going with 3, but we can vote on it.
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Aside from the issue above, results are posted...
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub...5udDdNaUxqUjB5dEVWeUJ3Tl81UzNTd1E&output=html
40 grenadeshark
29 chuyler1
23 gjbaldwin60
22 diabolicwyvern
17 WiiFreak
17 Vol Jbolaz/a_garris
17 sl3ight
14 fatrab
A quick analysis shows the following... The winnings system appears to have helped some people advance one position from round 1 to round 2. However, there wasn't anywhere close to a flip/flop of positions like I might have expected. This I think was partly due to driver skill and accident avoidance. However I think it is also due to the vehicle starting point. The EVOs offered more performance points per dollar than the scoobies and it's going to take several rounds for them to fall back (if they fall back at all).
Grenade and I ran similar laps despite him not even spending half his winnings. He actually has more money to spend on his car for next round than the #2 and #3 finishers of this race. That puts baldwin and I in a tough place to chase him down a Laguna. I just hope the rest of you can get some good finishes so the point spread isn't as big.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub...5udDdNaUxqUjB5dEVWeUJ3Tl81UzNTd1E&output=html
40 grenadeshark
29 chuyler1
23 gjbaldwin60
22 diabolicwyvern
17 WiiFreak
17 Vol Jbolaz/a_garris
17 sl3ight
14 fatrab
A quick analysis shows the following... The winnings system appears to have helped some people advance one position from round 1 to round 2. However, there wasn't anywhere close to a flip/flop of positions like I might have expected. This I think was partly due to driver skill and accident avoidance. However I think it is also due to the vehicle starting point. The EVOs offered more performance points per dollar than the scoobies and it's going to take several rounds for them to fall back (if they fall back at all).
Grenade and I ran similar laps despite him not even spending half his winnings. He actually has more money to spend on his car for next round than the #2 and #3 finishers of this race. That puts baldwin and I in a tough place to chase him down a Laguna. I just hope the rest of you can get some good finishes so the point spread isn't as big.
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