LeMONS to LeMANS Race Series -- Season Ended

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Did you try messing with the brake balance? I left mine at 5/5 and i was out braking Grenade (until my tires wore down). I usually run 6/4 but I figured 5/5 would take some stress off the front tires. I have found with A-spec racing that changing the settings more than a few clicks will drastically affect your braking distances. Sure, it gives you more stable braking, but you simply can't stop as quickly. A lot of people said to run 4/1 for the FGT but I was ramming the A.I. with that setting on almost every turn. I think I settled on 8/2 or 8/4. i still couldn't stop as fast as the A.I. but I had to do something about the rear end kicking out on Fuji when i was braking and turning.
 
My car should still be shared if you want to take a look. I forget the specifics but I know I opted for the racing exhaust over a turbo or suspension. Then I think I did another weight stage and some cheap mods. I'll double check for the exact mods tonight (unless someone wants to get in the game and read off the parts list).

Break down of my laps...
Turn 1: I nailed this just about every lap. I used hard braking to start coming from 5th to 4th to 3rd. Once I hit 3rd I eased up on the brakes and got inside and shifted to 2nd for the exit.

Same

Turn 2: Depending on my tires, I sometimes made it to 4th gear. Most of the time i'd ease off the throttle and coast around. I noticed grenade was tapping the brakes. That threw me off my rhythm until I figured out he wasn't using much brake at all.

Just doing weight transfer to increase grip for the turn in.

Turn 3: I focused on hitting the apex. The off-camber nature of the entry makes this hard to hit just right, but when you do, it gives you a slingshot through turn 4 and up the hill. I know someone mentioned on the radio I had tons of power here...Yes I had over 400hp, but on that lap I nailed the turn 3 apex and was on the throttle much sooner than who ever was in front of me.

This was definitely a lap maker turn. I agree 100%. It was easy to slide through this turn instead of holding the apex and really gaining some lap time.

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Turn 5-6: I never pushed this turn too hard. The fastest route is to put your left wheels on the grass for 5 and your right wheels on the grass for 6. However given the sloppy nature of my suspension, barely even touched the curbing for 5 for fear of screwing up 6. [/quote]

In practice, I would blow through this turn. In the race, not so much.

Turn 7: Another hairpin. I play it smooth. Grenade used more turn in than me relying on the yaw control. I tried his technique a few times but my car was understeering too much at that point to get enough bite for the quick rotation.

I didn't really like my line through this turn. I wanted to go much deeper with a sharp turn in, but ended up Uing it most of the time. I was afraid I would lose the inside line if I took it the way I wanted to. I ended up relatively slow through this section of the track most of the time.

Turn 8: i was full throttle until about half way. I would lift off momentarily then get back on the gas. Getting on the gas would rotate my car and line it up for a straight shot through 9. Brake before 10 and put the right wheels into the grass, they will catch the curbing on the way out and rotate the car.

I found letting off the gas a bit early allowed me to really get some bite and get the car straight for turn 9 and 10.

Turn 10: Basically hit both apexes at 30-35 mph and slam the gas when you see the pit wall.
I would call this turn 11. I cut the apexes real hard and real slow. It seemed to work out well enough. Not sure if it was the best line, but it was a good line to defend with.

Tire wear: My fronts wore down faster than my rears. I started out with great balance mid turn but after about 15 laps understeer took over. I think we were running high 1:25s at the beginning of the race. After 20 laps I really had to adjust my braking points to avoid running wide entering turns. Lap times slowed to 1:26s. At 25 laps I was done for. I just held on hoping my 1:27-1:28-1:29 lap times were enough hold my position.
I really didn't push the pace and I really feathered my tires. I always would slow down quite a bit when I was in the lead.

Final laps: I pushed the car hard to catch up to grenade after some altercations in turns 9 and 10. I was powering through turn 8 burning up more tire than I probably should have. Once i got close to grenade, I think he increased his pace. If I hadn't applied pressure I think he would've coasted to victory. As it turned out, my pressure caused him to make a few mistakes. The only problem was, when I passed him, I had no tires left to block for more than one lap. He finally got by me on the inside of turn 8. I just couldn't hold the bottom of the track and my pace was so slow it didn't take much for him to get around me. he probably could've passed on the outside.

I randomly ran off the road when drafting you which gave you the initial lead. Your pressure was working because every time that little number popped up and you had gained some time on me, it really messed with my head. I wish I could turn those indicators off. I can drive no problem with a car sitting inches off my bumper. But, those stupid little segment timers literally mess with me the entire race.

Things I could've done to win: My only regret was pitting on lap 30. I had a dwindling 4 second lead and I figured I could keep grenade from drafting me if I went to the pits before he caught up. I could've easily gone another 2 or 3 laps and that would've helped at the end of the race. I think I had the lead on lap 57 but my tires officially gave out on lap 58. I made a few mistakes in turns 9-10 on my own which cost me a little track position, but I think we all did that.

Overall, this race was very enjoyable and I'm glad cars finished close together after 60 laps. I think grenade and I will definitely be out-powered next week...but at Laguna, there is lots of time to be had with running clean lines and staying out of trouble. The corkscrew on worn tires is going to be hairy! Speaking of which, I was running 1:34 lap times last night when i switched to Laguna. I'm guessing there is a good 5 seconds to be had with upgrades and running a faster line. Do we want to do 60 laps again or drop it down to 50 laps?

I was holding a good 3 second lead at the end until I randomly went off the track at turn 4 for no good reason. I was staring at wiifreak a bit too hard and kablaam, wall action. You had the lead in either 56 or 57, but I caught up rather quickly. Then you got stuck in traffic and I caught up completely. Turn 9 ended up in a 4 car **** fest and I ended up spinning out of control trying to avoid you when you reentered the track. By that time, your tires were basically gone though. I caught up to you and passed you only to go off again. I caught up a 3rd time and finally just blew by as you had no tires.

As far as laguna is concerned, I wouldn't mind doing 60 laps. That would really make the 1 pit strategy an all or nothing matter. Very high likeliness of losing your tires completely if you don't pit.

Or we could do 50 and have a similar length race. Doesn't matter all that much to me. Just I am pretty sure most people will do a 1 pit strategy. I could be wrong.

Did you try messing with the brake balance? I left mine at 5/5 and i was out braking Grenade (until my tires wore down). I usually run 6/4 but I figured 5/5 would take some stress off the front tires. I have found with A-spec racing that changing the settings more than a few clicks will drastically affect your braking distances. Sure, it gives you more stable braking, but you simply can't stop as quickly. A lot of people said to run 4/1 for the FGT but I was ramming the A.I. with that setting on almost every turn. I think I settled on 8/2 or 8/4. i still couldn't stop as fast as the A.I. but I had to do something about the rear end kicking out on Fuji when i was braking and turning.

Your car was a bit lighter then mine I think. That probably made some of the difference. I left my brake balance on stock I believe.
 
Grenade and I ran similar laps despite him not even spending half his winnings. He actually has more money to spend on his car for next round than the #2 and #3 finishers of this race. That puts baldwin and I in a tough place to chase him down a Laguna. I just hope the rest of you can get some good finishes so the point spread isn't as big.

Not to be conceded, but I do plan on getting at least third place. I only spent 12K out of the 29K I had remaining...have not added any aero parts or dropped the weight, nor done any engine stage modifications yet. Im just saying. There is something to be said for pitting 4 times...running on 386 HP and not finishing last.
 
Wait...is 386hp not a lot? I've only got 310... lol

Yes, but the other 4wd cars have 400+

Had I run closer to my lounge times (1:24/25) in race. Also, wish I would have dropped weight...that would have made linking corners much easier. Hopefully this coming race will be closer run. I'm looking at adding 60+ HP and at least up to weight drop stage 2.
 
Well I hope you can get your consistency down. Didn't you have damage issues at GVE-R too?

Speaking of damage, the approach to the corkscrew is going to be a hot spot. I can guarantee there will be at least one minor pileup at this turn as cars either run wide entering, or do a 180 on the exit. I also see problems occurring on the last turn. Unless I need to play catch-up, i will likely be taking those sections very slow. I'm not as concerned about the bend leading to the uphill. i have trouble with that turn but there is a very wide run off and you don't lose too much time mowing the grass after a mistake.

Grenade, you mentioned lap traffic. That was one of the more exciting parts of the race for me. Twice i had the lead and had to work through traffic without losing too much time. Its one thing to follow someone for several laps, its entirely different to come up on someone, not knowing their braking patterns, or how much tread they have left, and trying to get around without losing time.

And on the 50 vs 60 lap question. Laguna doesn't have 3 hairpins like Cape Ring. I'm thinking someone can still get 30 laps in on a single set of tires if they drive conservatively.
 
Hopefully this coming race will be closer run. I'm looking at adding 60+ HP and at least up to weight drop stage 2.
That custom suspension is looking mighty good at this stage of the game. However I think I need to run some laps to decide whether its a good investment.
 
I just spent about 2/3rds of my credits and did 3 laps on Laguna Seca. The car finally feels good, got down to a 1:36.584 and I know theres more time to be had. Just trying to decide what to do with my remaining credits.
 
You'll likely need more power. I could run a sloppy 1:35 last night without adding anything except the sport medium tires.
 
Thanks for letting me know where to spend those extra credits! :lol:

Not quite sure what to do though, the 1:36 was with the stage 3 turbo installed.

Specs are 381hp, 1165kg, 503pp
 
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Thanks for letting me know where to spend those extra credits! :lol:

Not quite sure what to do though, the 1:36 was with the stage 3 turbo installed.

Specs are 381hp, 1165kg, 503pp
I really think you're gonna need more power. My car is shared online from the race. it has 408hp and is around 1100-1200kg. Add mods that will give you more straight line speed. exhaust, engine tuning, etc.
 
In terms of power mods, so far I've got S3 Turbo, Intake Manifold, Exhaust Manifold, Sport Cat, ECU, Air Filter, and S1 Engine tuning. Can't afford any more power mods for next race other than S1 exhaust.
 
Try swapping the S3 turbo for the S3 exhaust. I tried both when tuning for the previous race and found the exhaust yielded a faster car. it might be fewer PP but it offers power across the entire rpm range and I think it may raise your redline a little.
 
It's on like donkey kong. I only had trouble at GVE-R because I ran into lap traffic. I believe it was AOK. In trying to avoid each other...we actually collided. I didnt pit though because of it. I just ran 20 some odd laps with it. Then came out of the pits and flew past yah :D
 
Just watched the replay and recorded some snippets (uploading now). The mid race accident was just a cluster-f--k. Garris hit the curb in 9 and started spinning all over the place going into 10. I tried to go around him on the outside but he side swiped me into the wall. After I regained control I followed inline with diablo who had slipped past. Then Grenade came barrelling in out of nowhere. I thought we were already in the brake zone so I was just setting up for the next turn. I didn't realize grenade was going to be coming in so hot...if I did, I would've stayed to the left. Grenade did a great job avoiding everyone though. Nice job threading the needle. The next lap almost the same thing happened but this time I was on the brakes and managed to stay out of it.

At the end of the race, I had definitely not done a good job of conserving tires. Grenade had engine damage and was still able to pull away from me. I simply couldn't turn anymore. I tried blocking but it wasn't hard to get by me on turn 8 when I couldn't even hold the bottom of the track.

Overall, good race grenade. You won despite taking heavy damage late in the race. You manage to claw back every time I got around you. I think that wing really helped with your speed through some of the turns. Plus I think you were overall smoother on the brakes allowing you to save tires while still running quick laps.
 
Part 1 highlights:
* The start
* chuyler battling garris for 3rd place
* diablo battling garris for 4th place
* grenade, baldwin, and chuyler running 1-2-3 for several laps
* baldwin runs wide on turn 1 and never quite recovers
* chuyler follows grenade for several laps without incident
* a turn 1 incident gives the leaders minor damage
* a few lead changes
* grenade runs wide on turn 8 and falls back 4-5 seconds



Grenade, I'm not sure what happened on that turn 1 bump. I thought I had plenty of room to brake and I was on the brakes about the same time as you. Typically I let up on the brakes when I get to 3rd gear but you were still braking in front of me. Maybe my tires dropped a notch in wear between laps (they didn't go red though) or maybe you were just taking it a little slower to make sure you didn't go wide like the previous lap.
 
Part 2 highlights:
* Leaders take their pit stop and baldwin becomes the leader
* chuyler and grenade have no trouble catching baldwin
* wiifreak doesn't pose much trouble as the leaders make their way through lap traffic
* diablo take a little more effort to get around
* garris is a road block not willing to go down a lap
* at [6:15] garris loses control on turn 9 and cars start going every which way
* It takes chuyler 2 more laps to get around garris and diablo who are fighting for position.
* Grenade catches up and gets around garris with no trouble at all (doh!)
* chuyler catches the grass exiting turn 10 and gives up the lead

 
Part 3 highlights:
* chuyler continue to applies pressure on grenade but is several seconds behind
* grenade makes a few mistakes and chuyler takes the lead
* chuyler has no tires left
* grenade passes for the lead and makes a huge mistake in turn 10
* chuyler cannot hold the lead with no front tires and has to settle for 2nd

 
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Part 2 highlights:
* garris is a road block not willing to go down a lap
* at [6:15] garris loses control on turn 9 and cars start going every which way
* It takes chuyler 2 more laps to get around garris and diablo who are fighting for position.

Yeah, sorry about all that. It isn't that I didn't want to go a lap down, but that Diablo was right behind you. I hadn't found a nice section of track where I could let you by without slowing down too much and letting him catch up.

Sorry about turn 9, though. Like I said, I brake there, and apparently no one else does.


p.s. Watching some of the replay, wow... I suck. :P So not consistent.
 
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S'ok, I knew the two of you were battling for position so I was trying to get by without stealing your line...however I knew grenade was coming up fast behind me so I didn't want to waste unnecessary time getting by. My goal was to keep him far enough back so he couldn't draft me. That obviously didn't pan out so well.
 
yes. talk about threading the needle. I'm very surprised he didn't take anyone out.
 
You are missing in the highlights were I overtake Garris (with both of us quite badly damaged) on the last corner of the race for 4th
 
I ran out of time on my camera. I was going to get everyone crossing the finish line but i only had about 10 seconds left to record and didn't feel like waiting another 10 minutes to copy the the memory card and continue. I should've grabbed that though.

Did you guys run into Grenade and I on your final lap as we were crawling along? Or were all of you on the lead lap?
 

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