LeMONS to LeMANS Race Series -- Season Ended

[grenadeshark]

So the only difference is that you have the S3 Exhaust and I don't, and that I have full adjustable suspension and you have height adjustable. Hmmmm

Edit: and Adjustable LSD

Yeah the the difference is quite a bit of cash that can be spent however you like

 

[sl3ight]

I think I put too much effort into suspension tuning in this game. I'm starting to believe it doesn't do s---.

 

[chuyler1]

Would it help if we allowed drivers to reallocate funds for each race? I'd really like to see some other cars up front. If we agree to a reallocation rule, everyone could do what they like with their total winnings (except buy a different car).

Actually, buying a different car might be something that would help for next season. Given your winnings, you can sell your car for the price you paid and build up something unique for each race. However, I think we'd have to stick with premium cars for it to be fair.

 

[sl3ight]

I think allowing credits to be reallocated would take away one of the biggest challenges of this series. As much as it would help me, I'm against it.

I think for next season we should be limited to premium cars, and have a higher starting price.

Edit: Just did a few laps in grenades car.

Oddly enough, I find my car to be much easier to drive. This thing understeers on turn in, oversteers halfway through, and understeers on the way out. The brakes lock up very easily also. Out of 3 laps the best I could manage was a 1:34.7xxx.

 

[chuyler1]

Lap times last night at Daytona were just shy of 2:00 right? The race should probably be between 40 and 50 laps. Any preference either way?

Last night's race was decided pretty early. I don't think there was anyone battling for position late in the race. I ended up about a minute behind grenade, roughly 1 second per lap. After about lap 20 it was pretty clear that he'd have to take on substantial damage for me to ever catch him. I don't know how close the race was behind me though. Aside from running into diablo for a few laps and slowing him down, I didn't see much action the rest of the race.

However, Daytona has a long straight that will allow cars to catch up quicker. If someone is significantly faster, they may be able to use those later laps to catch up after a mistake.

 

[sl3ight]

I turned down the AYC on grenades car and got down to into the high 1:32s and low 1:33s. Pretty much the same as where you were. You really like that mid corner oversteer? I find it ends up over loading the outside front tire on exit.

 

[grenadeshark]

I turned down the AYC on grenades car and got down to into the high 1:32s and low 1:33s. Pretty much the same as where you were. You really like that mid corner oversteer? I find it ends up over loading the outside front tire on exit.

Well the AYC setting of 130 was an accident that I didn't figure out till after the race. I have a much lower setting I generally use. I was restarting my PS3 so many times after trying mods out that I must have changed it and forgotten at some point.

 

[grenadeshark]

I turned down the AYC on grenades car and got down to into the high 1:32s and low 1:33s. Pretty much the same as where you were. You really like that mid corner oversteer? I find it ends up over loading the outside front tire on exit.

Well the AYC setting of 130 was an accident that I didn't figure out till after the race. I have a much lower setting I generally use. I was restarting my PS3 so many times after trying mods out that I must have changed it and forgotten at some point.

As for the second part of your question. I drive the car I am given. I find a way to make most anything work. I think it requires more throttle modulation and sharper turn ins. A lot of time as soon as I would get on the throttle, I would countersteer as if I am sliding because I knew the result would be oversteer.

Mind telling me what AYC setting you used for your high 1:32 lap?

 

[chuyler1]

I had mine set around 70. The first few races it was at 40 and I was getting way too much front tire wear.

sl3ight, you'll have to give my car a spin as well. I tried the ride height secret to get more oversteer. You probably won't like it, but I'd be curious to see what both you and grenade think about it.

 

[sl3ight]

I had the AYC at 50, and I changed the front brake bias to 4 and the rear brake bias to 6. Makes the back step out a tiny bit on turn in, which the AYC helps keep constant through the apex. Still some understeer on corner exit though.

 

[st1sj]

Is it too late to join mid season?

 

[diabolicwyvern]

Current standings...

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...5udDdNaUxqUjB5dEVWeUJ3Tl81UzNTd1E&output=html

grenadeshark 60
chuyler1 45
diabolicwyvern 33
WiiFreak 30
a_garris 27
sl3ight 26
gjbaldwin60 23

This is really not panning out how I expected for several reasons...

1) With only a few cars on the track, the point spread is not very good, especially when we have people who dropped out. At the end of the series, I may remove the drop outs and rescore to see what might have happened if we had consistent participation.

2) The reward system simply isn't making cars faster, or perhaps the tracks chosen thus far simply don't work with the reward system. Wiifreak for example has an extra 32k into his car compared to grenade. At the very least, he should have been able to keep up.

Perhaps making drivers pay for tires out of their budget would work better, allowing drivers with more credits to buy something that will actually make them faster across the entire track. I didn't like this idea at the beginning because it would have made it very difficult for drivers to follow one another if their brake zones were completely different. Even last night brake distances varied simply by how many laps were on the tires making following other drivers tough.

Could he have saved for racing modification?

 

[diabolicwyvern]

Aside from running into diablo for a few laps and slowing him down, I didn't see much action the rest of the race.

I was only 'stuck' behind you for 6-8 laps and I was 1 lap down at the time. No worries. I definately did a great diservice to my car yet again. It was a 1:33 car no doubt about it and I managed just 4 laps under 1:35 the entire race. (though I drove at least a third of the race with moderate and near the end SEVERE damage.)

I wish I understood the principles of the AYC controller type thing on the Impreza.

 

[RockinVs]

From my calculations, racing modification is only beneficial to get the max out of a vehicle. basically, it needs all other mods as well.

the racing modification is actually very expensive for what you get. the only "free" power mod is the sg3 exhaust.

to me, it would be a huge waste of money. you would still have to buy all the power mods.

oh, it does go one step beyond stage3 lightening, but that is it.

 

[grenadeshark]

Is it too late to join mid season?

Honestly, we have had so many dropouts that I wouldn't mind at this point letting new people in.

 

[chuyler1]

yes, we discussed RM a while back. I did the math and it is cheaper to just buy all the parts gradually. You don't get the additional weight reduction but by the time you can afford it, the season would half over.

I was only 'stuck' behind you for 6-8 laps and I was 1 lap down at the time. No worries.

I know...but that was the only interesting thing going for me. I made a very minor mistake somewhere between laps 10-15 and that was enough for me to lose grenade's draft. I couldn't keep up with him on certain parts of the track so I lost touch about 1 to 1.5 seconds per lap. I knew you were a lap down but I figured I'd practice a little blocking and drafting anyway. I was hoping you'd run some 1:34s and pull me around the track but as it turned out, I was doing a better job staying on the track

 

[MadMax]

I'm also interested in joining mid season.

Starting with the same 30k as others and building up from there with prizes mone based on placement in race.



MadMax

 

[chuyler1]

Ok, there are three people interested in joining. Consensus is that we will allow you to join under the following rules...

1) Please join my nightly 450pp room at least once before the start of the next race. I host Sun, Mon, Tues, and Thurs from about 9:30 to 12:00 EDT. I'd just like to see you in action with the other drivers before we drop the flag on an hour long race. You don't have to shadow me or anything, just race and I'll watch the replay later. I've already raced with a few of you but I just don't want any surprises (like frequent lag spikes that could ruin someone else's race)

2) Send me a photo of the car in the UCD before you purchase it. I need to know the exact price you paid. The price must be no more than 30,000cr.

3) You can use minimum winnings to build up the car. For next week's race that is 60,000 credits. You don't have to pick the mods right away but I need the list the day of the race so I can update the spreadsheet.

 

[SohnVonStig]

Awesome I'll start looking for a car tonight

 

[st1sj]

Thanks! I'll take a look in UCD tonight too. Few questions (sorry, leaving work soon so do not have time to read through all 34 pages):

(1) So no existing car I already own, must be a new purchase in UCD, right?

(2) Also, if I buy a car for $15K, does that mean I have $75K to spend for upgrades (15 + 60) for the next race?

(3) Do engine and chassis refresh count in the budget? I know tires do not.

(4) everyone is favoring the AWD Evo/Impreza, why?

 

[WiiFreak]

Thanks! I'll take a look in UCD tonight too. Few questions (sorry, leaving work soon so do not have time to read through all 34 pages):

(1) So no existing car I already own, must be a new purchase in UCD, right?

(2) Also, if I buy a car for $15K, does that mean I have $75K to spend for upgrades (15 + 60) for the next race?

(3) Do engine and chassis refresh count in the budget? I know tires do not.

(4) everyone is favoring the AWD Evo/Impreza, why?

1. It has to be new from the UCD. This is so you can verify the price of the car, because there is no way to tell how much you paid for a standard car which you have already bought. You can also buy a car from the the new car dealership as well if you want to.

2. Yep, all money in the budget not spent buying the car can be put towards upgrades.

3. They do not count in the budget.

4. They are much easier to handle generally, and earlier on in the series when we were running less grippy tires, they had a big grip advantage over the RWD's. However now that we are on sports softs and moving to racing tires their grip advantage isn't as big.

 

[grenadeshark]

Thanks! I'll take a look in UCD tonight too. Few questions (sorry, leaving work soon so do not have time to read through all 34 pages):

(1) So no existing car I already own, must be a new purchase in UCD, right?

(2) Also, if I buy a car for $15K, does that mean I have $75K to spend for upgrades (15 + 60) for the next race?

(3) Do engine and chassis refresh count in the budget? I know tires do not.

(4) everyone is favoring the AWD Evo/Impreza, why?

1) Yes

2) Yes

3) No.

4) It was mostly a pp thing. Those cars had a very nice starting pp for the money you paid.

 

[chuyler1]

My EVO is shared. Give it a spin when you get a chance.

 

[grenadeshark]

My EVO is shared. Give it a spin when you get a chance.

I may not get to it til sunday or possibly not at all.

 

[MadMax]

1. It has to be new from the UCD. This is so you can verify the price of the car, because there is no way to tell how much you paid for a standard car which you have already bought. You can also buy a car from the the new car dealership as well if you want to.

2. Yep, all money in the budget not spent buying the car can be put towards upgrades.

3. They do not count in the budget.

4. They are much easier to handle generally, and earlier on in the series when we were running less grippy tires, they had a big grip advantage over the RWD's. However now that we are on sports softs and moving to racing tires their grip advantage isn't as big.

I must disagree with the part highlited.
I have been keeping an eye out for bargains and sutch for budget challenges like this.
I've written down those in a memo: car (make/model/year) - mileage - color - cost.

UCD databases can also be usefull for determining prizes for certain cars in your garage. Just match the mileage and you know what you paid for it.



MadMax

 

[chuyler1]

Agree or not, everyone else followed these rules. It is only fair that you do as well. I need a photo as proof. I posted the photo of my car and I have photos of everyone elses cars.

 

[st1sj]

chuyler, I'm going with the Silvia S15. Wiifreak and Grenade are right. The Impreza has more power and more PP. Thought about the S2000 too, but I like the Silvia more. A older Supra or Z would be nice, but I do not feel like cycling through the UCD.

Just send you an email, please let me know if you do not receive it.

 

[RockinVs]

lol... the only race i could participate in is the very last race.

it would be fun, but with it being the last race, i would hate to screw it up for someone else who is vying for a top spot. being how little time i get to play, i would be a liability. i did have fun the practice race. i wish i could get out there and see what my grand sport had though. i bet it would have some nice power.

im glad to see some people joining mid season. sucks that so many have had to leave for various reasons.

 

[gjbaldwin60]

Good news, my ps3 is back in action. although there are the two screws I had left over after I put it back together! I'll be back in for next race looking to climb out of the cellar.

I did a few laps of Daytona last night with my car from Cape Ring.. and I was doing 2:02s on sport softs.

I would think 50 laps? I haven't done any tire testing yet, but I would think that would bring in the 1 vs 2 stop strategy.

Greg

 

[grenadeshark]

Good news, my ps3 is back in action. although there are the two screws I had left over after I put it back together! I'll be back in for next race looking to climb out of the cellar.

I did a few laps of Daytona last night with my car from Cape Ring.. and I was doing 2:02s on sport softs.

I would think 50 laps? I haven't done any tire testing yet, but I would think that would bring in the 1 vs 2 stop strategy.

Greg

I can already report that sub 2 minute times will be the lap norms for the leaders from what I can tell (not including draft). We could very well see low 1:50s with the draft.