LeMONS to LeMANS Wednesday Series

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Matte White for the MGF....WP

Matte White for the Corololololola.

I'm trying to finish up a bedliner and be home in time, the race starts at 10 Eastern right? I might be a little late into the room, so if I join into the room right before the race, is it ok, if I just skip qualifying? I know I won't be fastest qualifyer tonight.
 
Hey guys, how much of a PP gain is the chassis and engine rebuilds? Am i lookin at 340 pp to start with or more like 360?
 
360 PP before refresh should stay under 375 after refresh , if the base power isn't 140+ and weight under 1000kg.



MadMax
 
Most cars are over or close to 1000kg and I meant 140+ BHP with bad oil.



MadMax
 
I really tried to make it tonight, but I got stuck at work until past 10. Definitely next week!
 
I really tried to make it tonight, but I got stuck at work until past 10. Definitely next week!
S'ok, we'll see you next week. You missed an exciting race.

sorry about the first start. :(
S'ok. From now on, I think I will reset the track 5 minutes before 10:00 and force everyone to run two qualifying laps and stay on the track.

Just take me out dude. My schedule is too hectic.
Alrighty.


Last night was probably the closest 60 lap race I've ever experienced. A quick recap of my night...

Laps 0-29. Sl3ight, grenade, and I drafted one another around the track trading places here and there. My car had significantly less straight line speed than the two of them but I did a pretty good job holding momentum into the tunnel and getting a good exit speed out of the hairpin. Somewhere through this run, grenade got damage. I'm sure he'll chime in and explain...but at that point I think he had fallen off the pace of sl3ight and I. He made an early pit stop to repair the damage, a wise decision if you ask me. Around lap 29, sl3ight made a very minor mistake and that allowed me to pull ahead far enough to avoid him drafting me for a lap or two.

Lap 31. Both Sl3ight and I pitted. I watched sohnvonstig and supernasty whiz by. When I pulled out of the pits, I was able to draft some lap traffic and expand my lead against sl3ight.

Laps 32-45ish. After a few laps of nailing my exit speeds I caught supernasty's draft and passed him with a risky out-braking maneuver into the hairpin, followed by some side by side racing up the hill and into the next turn. He followed me around for a good 10 laps and I was catching sohn. However, Sohn was drafting twitchie so whenever I got close they'd just pull away again. Supernasty wasn't hitting the final turn close enough to give me a bump every lap but we were still making decent time.

Laps 45-55. Because my car was slow up the straight, sl3ight was able to make back time and catch me...with grenadeshark in tow. I don't recall exactly how the exchange went but somehow sl3ight and grenade drafted around me, supernasty did too...and then grenade lost touch with sl3ight. For 5-10 laps i was stuck behind grenade and supernasty. Grenade obviously had no tires left and couldn't negotiate the hairpin as quickly. My consistent 1:24 lap times had become 1:25s despite drafting the two of them up the straight. I will admit, there was some fender rubbing and slow speed bumping as grenade did his best to block. Eventually, supernasty made a mistake allowing me to get right up to grenade, but WiiFreak had joined the group. He got around me like I was standing still then Grenade let him go by into turn 1. Grenade went wide trying to follow a MR line in a FF car with worn tires and went wide into 2. I was ready and waiting and slipped by and caught a little of WiiFreak's draft to get away from Grenade.

Laps 55-60.
After all that, sl3ight was no where to be found. My only hope at this point was to resume my battle catching sohn for 3rd place. A few clean laps and I was on his bumper. A draft pass and I pulled ahead. I never completely shook him off my tail though and on the final lap I didn't get a perfect run through turn 2 (maybe 62mph instead of 64-65mph) and that was all it took for him to catch a little draft through the tunnel, and a full draft up the hill. The final turn we were bumper to bumper and there wasn't much I could do except try for a block. It didn't work so I gave him a few dis-satisfactory nudges up the straight but by the finish line he nosed ahead by about half a car length.

In the end, I still call it a successful race. There were several faster cars on the track that I placed ahead of and the cars I placed behind were quicker than me anyway. I picked a solid 8th place car for the start of the season and came in 4th...mostly due to drafting. Not too shabby...but I think I'll end up having a solid 8th place car for the next race.

This was quite possibly the most exciting race I've ever been part of. We had drive train strategies, pit strategies, and lap traffic. All of which played a key roll in the outcome of the race. With just 10 laps to go, 2nd through 7th place were all within a few seconds of each other fighting for track position. Even though WiiFreak ran away with the lead, the rest of us were evenly matched enough to make for excitement on just about every lap. I can't wait to see what happens after 75 laps of Tsukuba.
 
S'ok, we'll see you next week. You missed an exciting race.


S'ok. From now on, I think I will reset the track 5 minutes before 10:00 and force everyone to run two qualifying laps and stay on the track.


Alrighty.


Last night was probably the closest 60 lap race I've ever experienced. A quick recap of my night...

Laps 0-29. Sl3ight, grenade, and I drafted one another around the track trading places here and there. My car had significantly less straight line speed than the two of them but I did a pretty good job holding momentum into the tunnel and getting a good exit speed out of the hairpin. Somewhere through this run, grenade got damage. I'm sure he'll chime in and explain...but at that point I think he had fallen off the pace of sl3ight and I. He made an early pit stop to repair the damage, a wise decision if you ask me. Around lap 29, sl3ight made a very minor mistake and that allowed me to pull ahead far enough to avoid him drafting me for a lap or two.

I was taking on the Mic (crazy right?) and I tapped the wall going into the tunnel. I bounced off it and diablo hit me slightly and we both had damage from that point on.
Lap 31. Both Sl3ight and I pitted. I watched sohnvonstig and supernasty whiz by. When I pulled out of the pits, I was able to draft some lap traffic and expand my lead against sl3ight.

I caught up to you guys right here and was able to keep hold for a while.

Laps 32-45ish. After a few laps of nailing my exit speeds I caught supernasty's draft and passed him with a risky out-braking maneuver into the hairpin, followed by some side by side racing up the hill and into the next turn. He followed me around for a good 10 laps and I was catching sohn. However, Sohn was drafting twitchie so whenever I got close they'd just pull away again. Supernasty wasn't hitting the final turn close enough to give me a bump every lap but we were still making decent time.

I somehow managed to fall back again and lost sight of most of the leads.

Laps 45-55. Because my car was slow up the straight, sl3ight was able to make back time and catch me...with grenadeshark in tow. I don't recall exactly how the exchange went but somehow sl3ight and grenade drafted around me, supernasty did too...and then grenade lost touch with sl3ight. For 5-10 laps i was stuck behind grenade and supernasty. Grenade obviously had no tires left and couldn't negotiate the hairpin as quickly. My consistent 1:24 lap times had become 1:25s despite drafting the two of them up the straight. I will admit, there was some fender rubbing and slow speed bumping as grenade did his best to block. Eventually, supernasty made a mistake allowing me to get right up to grenade, but WiiFreak had joined the group. He got around me like I was standing still then Grenade let him go by into turn 1. Grenade went wide trying to follow a MR line in a FF car with worn tires and went wide into 2. I was ready and waiting and slipped by and caught a little of WiiFreak's draft to get away from Grenade.

I got my act together and I was pulling on everyone these laps. Wiifreak didn't gain more then a few seconds on me for about 10 laps. I caught Chuyler and I was on route to catch supernasty and vonstig. Then, like a shot out of the dark, my tires were gone and my laps dropped off 1-3 seconds per lap. By lap 55/56, I wasn't able to run a clean lap whatsoever.

Laps 55-60.
After all that, sl3ight was no where to be found. My only hope at this point was to resume my battle catching sohn for 3rd place. A few clean laps and I was on his bumper. A draft pass and I pulled ahead. I never completely shook him off my tail though and on the final lap I didn't get a perfect run through turn 2 (maybe 62mph instead of 64-65mph) and that was all it took for him to catch a little draft through the tunnel, and a full draft up the hill. The final turn we were bumper to bumper and there wasn't much I could do except try for a block. It didn't work so I gave him a few dis-satisfactory nudges up the straight but by the finish line he nosed ahead by about half a car length.

My tires failed me on turn 2 and I went wide and diablo got through me on lap 59. I caught back up to him in tremendous fashion and through the last turn had about a 5 mph lead. But, he did a great job of holding his line and I ended up bumping him since I had no where to go around him. This kept us from what I believe would have been a photo finish.
In the end, I still call it a successful race. There were several faster cars on the track that I placed ahead of and the cars I placed behind were quicker than me anyway. I picked a solid 8th place car for the start of the season and came in 4th...mostly due to drafting. Not too shabby...but I think I'll end up having a solid 8th place car for the next race.

This was quite possibly the most exciting race I've ever been part of. We had drive train strategies, pit strategies, and lap traffic. All of which played a key roll in the outcome of the race. With just 10 laps to go, 2nd through 7th place were all within a few seconds of each other fighting for track position. Even though WiiFreak ran away with the lead, the rest of us were evenly matched enough to make for excitement on just about every lap. I can't wait to see what happens after 75 laps of Tsukuba.

I agree 100%. I definitely felt like it was anyone's race between 2nd and 6th. I tapped the wall, I paid the consequences. I am confused about diablos bickering with me during the race though. If you watch the replays, I am rather consistent in my braking strategy. Whereas he was all over the place. He would be behind me for 4 laps, then disappear. He would pass me only to have me pass him very shortly afterwards. He was definitely running faster laps, but he was the inconsistent one, not me :)

As for blocking is concerned, I just ran a line that wouldn't allow people to pass me on the inside. This generally consisted of me braking harder then the turn might require. As far as brake checking is concerned, I never do it. I tend to tap my brakes mid turn a few times if I am running wide to get myself back into line. But, I never lose more then a couple MPH at best when doing this.

I also tap my brakes at all turn in points that require me losing speed for the most part. I have always done this and I will continue to do so. It keeps the car using both lateral and longitudinal grip instead of just lateral through the sweepers. I have always had the racing philosophy that you should either be accelerating or braking. I try to avoid off throttle/brake cornering as much as possible.
 
I'm pretty disappointed with the way the race turned out. If I hadn't made two very critical errors, the two Miata's could definitely been on the podium, and if I hadn't made one of the two I'd have at least been top 5.

Either way it was great fun! Stig and I ran nose to nail, literally, for 20 laps. I had a visitor and got distracted long enough to hit the sand and lose his draft though and that was the end of any shot we had at pulling away.

As the pack caught up, 2-7 was entirely up for grabs with about 10 laps to go. I made another stupid error and got damage on the final turn of lap 50. I thought I had room, but I essentially pulled in front of Chuyler and slammed on the brakes. Oops! Lost about a second a lap after that and couldn't manage better than seventh.

On the bright side - The $15k I earned was enough for 50 extra horsepower....
 
Stressful race for me after I passed sleight and chuyler in the pits :P I'm really excited for next week super, baldwin, and I did some testing on tsukuba last night and its amazing how well the miata reacts to power upgrades. I only spent 1500 of my 2500, but that gained me a little over a second per lap. I DEFINITELY won't be vying for the win but I have a feeling that things are going to be INCREDIBLY tight mid pack.
 
I thought I had room, but I essentially pulled in front of Chuyler and slammed on the brakes. Oops! Lost about a second a lap after that and couldn't manage better than seventh.
Your bumper was maybe 1/2 a car length ahead of me. The pass was complete but you jumped into my brake zone at the last second. Since I only had maybe 25 laps on my tires (opposed to your 50+ laps) my braking point was going to be much deeper than yours and i just wasn't ready for braking. Didn't realize you got damage from that...but I think i bumped you into Grenade so that could have been how you got it. A bit of ping-ponging. Best thing to do in that situation is to maintain your line through the entrance of the turn even though the pass is complete.

There was an earlier incident we were talking about where i guess you tapped grenade in turn 2. both of you slowed down and understeered so I hugged the inside as much as I could but traded paint with grenade as we exited the turn. Grenade mentioned something about it being a dirty pass... I didn't realize that contact had caused grenade to run wide. I just saw both of you veering toward the outside. I had been trying for several laps to get back in front of grenade (i was running over a second quicker on my own prior to him draft passing me with help from sl3ight). In the end, it didn't make a difference. grenade was faster up the hill than me and I yielded to him at the hairpin.

You and Sohn were quick enough for a 2-3 podium finish. Had you bump drafted each other the entire race and stayed out of trouble, your 0-pit strategy would have paid off.

I really had no chance against most of the cars on the track except to squeeze every 10th out of turn 2 and the hairpin and hope for a good drafting buddy. I could have made it on one set of tires but only if sl3ight had decided to stay out and help me around the track. Otherwise, the miatas would have caught up after about 15 laps and I would have been stuck in the same position but with bald tires. I opted for the chase instead...which was going fine until everyone else caught back up to me. The one and only thing that screwed me up was having sl3ight, grenade, and supernasty all draft past me in one swoop...then of course grenades tires giving out and letting sl3ight run away.
 
Stressful race for me after I passed sleight and chuyler in the pits :P I'm really excited for next week super, baldwin, and I did some testing on tsukuba last night and its amazing how well the miata reacts to power upgrades. I only spent 1500 of my 2500, but that gained me a little over a second per lap. I DEFINITELY won't be vying for the win but I have a feeling that things are going to be INCREDIBLY tight mid pack.
Indeed. I just hope I get a good qualifying and a good start so i can draft a car slightly faster than me for most of the race. The mid-pack cars won't have the passing power to get around the 30k club...but whoever can squeeze some drafting in on the first few laps will gain valuable track position.

I'm shooting for the best finish possible each race in my car...i don't care if it makes me slow by the end of the season. In fact, I want to see how running fast and clean works out when it comes down to points. If it turns out that intentionally placing poorly for a race or two is the best strategy, i will likely update the points/rewards for next season to compensate for it. I'm already worried that 30k is a bit much...but I think that vette really needs it. We shall see.

My suggestion to those who got big winnings after this race: Focus on putting down clean laps. When the field spreads out, don't risk your current position by cooking a corner and getting stuck in the sand trap. Race clean and within your ability level and make the cars behind you work harder to keep up.
 
I'm already worried that 30k is a bit much...but I think that vette really needs it. We shall see.

It's entirely possible that I may have gotten too much even with $15k. My Miata went from 375PP to 422PP. With the new upgrades, my Miata ran a 1:08.2 at Tsukaba last night, and it's definitely got a 1:07.5 in it.
 
I watched the race from about lap 20 on, so I didn't miss much excitement, I just wish I had been part of it.
 
I had a great time last night, other than grenade doing some "epic" move exiting the tunnel which stopped traffic, and forced me and Diabolic too slide into each other. He got three red circles and I got engine damage which put me out of contention. So I ran by myself for 54 laps. To end up doing reverse burnoose to the finish line in 9th.
 
I accidentally passed you at the end while you were going backwards and lost out on some extra credits...
 
WiiFreak ran a 1:10 right? I think he can probably pull off a high 1:09 but it is likely he will be around 1:10 during the race. If you think you've got a 1:07.5 you'll probably hover around 1:08 during the race. That's essentially a 2 second gap. I was at 1:11 before adding parts so I might be able to get down to a 1:09. I think that puts everyone between WiiFreak and you within a close range...and the slower drivers with 30k to spend should be able to run faster provided they can put down clean laps with the additional power they will have.
 
WiiFreak ran a 1:10 right? I think he can probably pull off a high 1:09 but it is likely he will be around 1:10 during the race. If you think you've got a 1:07.5 you'll probably hover around 1:08 during the race. That's essentially a 2 second gap. I was at 1:11 before adding parts so I might be able to get down to a 1:09. I think that puts everyone between WiiFreak and you within a close range...and the slower drivers with 30k to spend should be able to run faster provided they can put down clean laps with the additional power they will have.

He ran a 109.9 on his second lap. I'd say he'll probably be running 109.5's during the race. Your parts will definitely get you down to a low 1:10. That's what mine did at least. I'd say nasty will be at about 108.5 the whole race if he wants to preserve those tires at all :) Can we just make sure that the track is changed before we race next week? I don't think it affected my times (not sure) but it was mentally disconcerting to see dark blue tires on lap 60 :P
 
Yes, I will change the track before next race. Actually, I may change the track 5 minutes before 10:00 for an official 2-3 lap qualifying session. That seems to work better than anything else for properly setting up the grid.
 
hello all,

great fun last night

(edit: i re-read the OP and found my answer)

i really need to learn how to properly corner with FF drivetrain

otherwise there's no doubt i will run wide at least 5 times in a 75 lap race

i think i misjudged the braking on turn 2 too often last night

ultimately, perhaps my solution is just to be more careful and conservative

nice pics from laguna seca, by the way!



oh, did anyone else experience some odd glitching during the race last night?

several times (coincidentally as i was approaching MNLumberjack) my rearview mirror would disappear and my view/camera angle would start to shift

at one point it felt as though there was a forcefield pushing me back as i tried to drive forward into it, and my car would behave as though it was going sideways (tires would screech and i would start to spin out unless i tried to compensate for it)
 
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@shark--"I was taking on the Mic (crazy right?) and I tapped the wall going into the tunnel. I bounced off it and diablo hit me slightly and we both had damage from that point on."

You smashed into the wall at 70+ I'm guessing and the slight hit was actually an epic crash. I got three circles (two of which had circles within each other) from your off. At least karma came around for me. I was running 1:24s with just 2 circles from an earlier crash when that happened. After I pitted, I ran 1:23s alone, but I have no ability to pass drivers which is why I needed to be on pole or 2nd. The whole restart thing was BULL! There was a wreck opening lap tuesday night and we didnt restart. Wii, myself and bowtie where clear and all the sudden we are restarting. Hell on Tuesday, someone pitted on lap 1...grenade and whomever could have done the same thing.

I say if there is an opening lap accident...too bad. I was the victim of early race accidents last season on several occasions and would never think to ask for a restart.

Chuyler...Can we be assured this wont happen again please. There was no point to qualifying if my 1:22.5xx starts me 6th on grid and then the Bogus restart I am 9th. We could have done a decent job ordering ourselves.
 
The whole restart thing was BULL! There was a wreck opening lap tuesday night and we didnt restart. Wii, myself and bowtie where clear and all the sudden we are restarting. Hell on Tuesday, someone pitted on lap 1...grenade and whomever could have done the same thing.

To be fair, I did offer to restart Tuesday. That accident was from Geezer's epic lag. It was my understanding that the only people other than Geezer that took damage didn't take enough to care.

I haven't checked the replay, but it could've just been Geezer that pitted.
 
@shark--"I was taking on the Mic (crazy right?) and I tapped the wall going into the tunnel. I bounced off it and diablo hit me slightly and we both had damage from that point on."

You smashed into the wall at 70+ I'm guessing and the slight hit was actually an epic crash. I got three circles (two of which had circles within each other) from your off. At least karma came around for me. I was running 1:24s with just 2 circles from an earlier crash when that happened. After I pitted, I ran 1:23s alone, but I have no ability to pass drivers which is why I needed to be on pole or 2nd. The whole restart thing was BULL! There was a wreck opening lap tuesday night and we didnt restart. Wii, myself and bowtie where clear and all the sudden we are restarting. Hell on Tuesday, someone pitted on lap 1...grenade and whomever could have done the same thing.

I say if there is an opening lap accident...too bad. I was the victim of early race accidents last season on several occasions and would never think to ask for a restart.

Chuyler...Can we be assured this wont happen again please. There was no point to qualifying if my 1:22.5xx starts me 6th on grid and then the Bogus restart I am 9th. We could have done a decent job ordering ourselves.

Diabolic, do you honestly think you'd have finished better than 6th had you qualified better? We were all tied together in a line starting around lap 45, and your qualifying position would not have affected that.

FWIW I started 2nd on the first start, even though I clearly was not the second faster time. So, the original grid was F'd to begin with. On the second start I started 12th, but was up to 3rd at one point.

I honestly do not believe that the restart affected the outcome.
 
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