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Looking forward to seeing the results of this duel 
LeMONS to LeMANS Wednesday Series
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Qualifying: Sl3ight was 2 10th's quicker
Race 1 (13 laps): Sl3ight pulls ahead off the line and maintained the lead for the entire race. They were bumper to bumper the whole time. Grenade had a few close almost-passes but he backed off for fear of pushing Sl3ight wide on the final turn. Grenade also caused two minor punts.
Race 2 (10 laps): Sl3ight yielded to grenade at the start to see if he could pass. While talking, Grenade went wide on lap 4 and sl3ight got by. Lap 5, sl3ight went wide on the 2nd hairpin and grenade got around. Then discussion about divebombing commenced as both drivers took liberties with passing. Grenade ended up in front and ran a blocking line for the final lap to take the win.
Race 1 (13 laps): Sl3ight pulls ahead off the line and maintained the lead for the entire race. They were bumper to bumper the whole time. Grenade had a few close almost-passes but he backed off for fear of pushing Sl3ight wide on the final turn. Grenade also caused two minor punts.
Race 2 (10 laps): Sl3ight yielded to grenade at the start to see if he could pass. While talking, Grenade went wide on lap 4 and sl3ight got by. Lap 5, sl3ight went wide on the 2nd hairpin and grenade got around. Then discussion about divebombing commenced as both drivers took liberties with passing. Grenade ended up in front and ran a blocking line for the final lap to take the win.
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The punts happened when sl3ight broke a little early during one of my passing attempts. No damage ever occurred
. I always let him back in front. I definitely felt my car pushing out and I knew that sl3ight had to be on the brink of grip and I definitely would have pushed out into him if I had held my line.Edit: I did what I would consider a divebomb to take the lead on lap 9. They considered it a good pass. lol. I guess I still have things to learn. 👍
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So if we take qualifying as the tie breaker, I suppose that means I won. 
This actually turned out great because we got to discuss passing with some instances fresh in our minds. We didn't come to any conclusions other than we all think that we're right, and agree with each other even though our ideas don't.
That was a scary pass to be on the receiving end of. Very optimistic, but it worked.
This actually turned out great because we got to discuss passing with some instances fresh in our minds. We didn't come to any conclusions other than we all think that we're right, and agree with each other even though our ideas don't.
That was a scary pass to be on the receiving end of. Very optimistic, but it worked.
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So if we take qualifying as the tie breaker, I suppose that means I won.
This actually turned out great because we got to discuss passing with some instances fresh in our minds. We didn't come to any conclusions other than we all think that we're right, and agree with each other even though our ideas don't.
That was a scary pass to be on the receiving end of. Very optimistic, but it worked.
No. I won because you didn't run a 1:09.5!
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We also were also running essentially stock cars. I hadn't run Tsukuba before without upgrades from the first race.
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After watching the replay, sl3ight's first pass was borderline divebomb. Before braking he barely had a nose beyond grenade's bumper. He braked deep into the turn and slowed down considerably. Grenade prevented the contact by not turning in on him.
Sl3ight's pass on the final turn was clean. I know grenade likes to late apex and turn in...but there was plenty of track on the outside when he turned in and at the point of contact sl3ight was already by his side.
Both of grenade's passes into turn 1 were about as clean as you get. sl3ight might have been able to gain the 2nd one back but he made contact with grenade as they were swapping from inside to outside.
Aside from sl3ight's pass on the final corner, none of the passes i would consider text-book GTP OLR. They are in a gray area where the driver in front has to be aware of the driver behind. In each case, had the driver in front run their line blindly, contact would have occurred and it would have been the passing driver's fault. However in all cases, the passing driver did as much as they could to prevent contact by completely hugging the inside of the track and not pushing wide entering the turn. That is very important because it means they were in control of the car at all times and could have slowed down to let the other driver by if they turned in and contact occurred.
In these situations, the ahead driver could easily force contact therefore voiding the pass and making the passing driver back off and try again. If following GTP OLR there is nothing preventing the ahead driver from doing this (except maybe fear of getting damage).
The only way to prevent such a pass is to simply run a blocking line. Take up the middle or inside of the track entering a turn and force the driver to go outside of you or super deep inside. As long as you run a fast line from this entry position, the other driver will not be able to get around you unless they are super precise with an over-under approach.
I also think in each case the ahead driver conceded the position well before the apex. When someone comes inside like that, the pass isn't complete until both of you exit the turn. As the defending driver, you might not be able to occupy the apex, but you can certainly prevent the other driver from using the entire track on exit. if you do that successfully, you might still come out ahead.
Sl3ight's pass on the final turn was clean. I know grenade likes to late apex and turn in...but there was plenty of track on the outside when he turned in and at the point of contact sl3ight was already by his side.
Both of grenade's passes into turn 1 were about as clean as you get. sl3ight might have been able to gain the 2nd one back but he made contact with grenade as they were swapping from inside to outside.
Aside from sl3ight's pass on the final corner, none of the passes i would consider text-book GTP OLR. They are in a gray area where the driver in front has to be aware of the driver behind. In each case, had the driver in front run their line blindly, contact would have occurred and it would have been the passing driver's fault. However in all cases, the passing driver did as much as they could to prevent contact by completely hugging the inside of the track and not pushing wide entering the turn. That is very important because it means they were in control of the car at all times and could have slowed down to let the other driver by if they turned in and contact occurred.
In these situations, the ahead driver could easily force contact therefore voiding the pass and making the passing driver back off and try again. If following GTP OLR there is nothing preventing the ahead driver from doing this (except maybe fear of getting damage).
The only way to prevent such a pass is to simply run a blocking line. Take up the middle or inside of the track entering a turn and force the driver to go outside of you or super deep inside. As long as you run a fast line from this entry position, the other driver will not be able to get around you unless they are super precise with an over-under approach.
I also think in each case the ahead driver conceded the position well before the apex. When someone comes inside like that, the pass isn't complete until both of you exit the turn. As the defending driver, you might not be able to occupy the apex, but you can certainly prevent the other driver from using the entire track on exit. if you do that successfully, you might still come out ahead.
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alls good. I was certain you were going to lift off for the turn because you wouldn't have made it otherwise. it was risky on my part but I couldn't waste time with baldwin on my tail. I was fine behind you up until that point because you were giving me speed down the straight. I was hoping I could get by you without baldwin getting by...so i could build more of a gap...but he got by at the same time.
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Thanks for posting the replays Chuyler.. my car does look like it has run the gauntlet! The strange part is that I didn't hit anything before my first pitstop, the only contact I had was with Morbo right after you touched him (at ~14:20 of the first video).
I'll have to figure out why I'm not seeing everyone in the room, I saw lumberjack in the lobby, but not on the track.
I'll have to watch my replay and see how my car looks through the race
I'll have to figure out why I'm not seeing everyone in the room, I saw lumberjack in the lobby, but not on the track.
I'll have to watch my replay and see how my car looks through the race
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I saw the same thing Tuesday night, even after I left the room and came back in.
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I feel much better now. Tested my car with manual and got much better runs out of the final hairpin onto the long straight. Also...I forgot that I had added quite a lot of weight to make the car's tires wear evenly. Looking forward to Monza, though not the first lap. 
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Looking forward to Monza, though not the first lap.
+1 ...although I should be one of the slowest cars this week so hopefully I'll avoid the carnage by being at the back. Anyone out there having trouble breaking 2:23? I'm like 6 seconds slower than Grenade...and that's before he even spent all his money.
Nice to hear you are switching to the superior transmission 👍
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I'll have to check when I get home but if I have one for free.
Maybe some practice if you're up for it
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I just found one in the UCD after cycling it for what seemed like years.
You're welcome to join my lobby for some practice though, I'll be in there on and off.
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sl3ightI just found one in the UCD after cycling it for what seemed like years.
You're welcome to join my lobby for some practice though, I'll be in there on and off.
Sounds good. Glad you found one.
If I'm in my lobby I'm always open to some practice feel free to join me.
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I suggest everyone watch this qualifying video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AguTkMmKXE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Since there is a good 5+ seconds to be gained via cutting chicanes and other parts of the track, points will be deducted for repeat offenders. Take note of the location of the front tire on each turn, not just the first and second chicane. Run your best lap and watch your own replay to verify you arent using more of the track than allowed.
Cut parts of the track on almost every lap, expect to get 0 points regardless of where you place.
Cut part of the track to make a pass, expect to get a 2 point deduction for each offense.
I understand that it is very easy to overshoot the chicanes. If you do this, just wait until all 4 wheels return to the track before you hit the throttle. It will be pretty obvious on the replay the difference between accidentally running wide and intentionally cutting. If you do cut by accident...make sure you get it right on the next lap...even if it means braking earlier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AguTkMmKXE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Since there is a good 5+ seconds to be gained via cutting chicanes and other parts of the track, points will be deducted for repeat offenders. Take note of the location of the front tire on each turn, not just the first and second chicane. Run your best lap and watch your own replay to verify you arent using more of the track than allowed.
Cut parts of the track on almost every lap, expect to get 0 points regardless of where you place.
Cut part of the track to make a pass, expect to get a 2 point deduction for each offense.
I understand that it is very easy to overshoot the chicanes. If you do this, just wait until all 4 wheels return to the track before you hit the throttle. It will be pretty obvious on the replay the difference between accidentally running wide and intentionally cutting. If you do cut by accident...make sure you get it right on the next lap...even if it means braking earlier.
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Is there a way to adjust brake bias on the fly? I thought I remembered seeing that as a feature somewhere but I can't figure out how to get it to work on my Fanatec.
It would certainly come in handy since the second chicane, Lesmo 1&2, and Ascari require a totally different balance than the first chicane.
It would certainly come in handy since the second chicane, Lesmo 1&2, and Ascari require a totally different balance than the first chicane.
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