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Then those people are stupid.
From that very article ''Kazunori Yamauchi’s response confirmed online updates and DLC including both cars and tracks''
This isn't a microtransaction, it's DLC.
Lewis Hamilton Time Trial DLC Coming to GT Sport, With Exclusive Rewards
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Then those people are stupid.
From that very article ''Kazunori Yamauchi’s response confirmed online updates and DLC including both cars and tracks''
This isn't a microtransaction, it's DLC.
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If you consider mictrotransations to not be DLC then you are living a lie. Is it content that you download to your game? Then it's DLC.
The cars weren't taken as that big of a deal because it wasn't a requirement for anything in the game that you couldn't get otherwise. That's the difference.
The cars weren't taken as that big of a deal because it wasn't a requirement for anything in the game that you couldn't get otherwise. That's the difference.
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There are more than a few posts here that cannot see the forest for the trees, it seems.
"They've been supporting the game for two years with free content!"
So we're congratulating them for bringing over cars from the previous games now; cars PD itself claimed were future proof? The genuinely new cars being free is more impressive in that regard, but they don't make up the majority.
"This will keep free DLC as is."
Perhaps, but by far and wide, that is not how any of that works. Remember the paint chips in GT5 that cost money and were single use? Guess why that didn't continue? Because the community pushed back. This warped sense of "Polyphony Digital is my buddy" is rather unhealthy. They're not your friends, they're not your family — this is a business transaction and nothing more, hold them (and every other developer and publisher) to a higher standard.
Now, let me make one thing clear: if you want the DLC, fine, that's your choice and no one has the right nor reason to dissuade you from spending your coin as you please. However, this sympathetic narrative and creating reasons why it's a good value for anyone other than yourself just shouldn't exist for the reasons mentioned above.
"They've been supporting the game for two years with free content!"
So we're congratulating them for bringing over cars from the previous games now; cars PD itself claimed were future proof? The genuinely new cars being free is more impressive in that regard, but they don't make up the majority.
"This will keep free DLC as is."
Perhaps, but by far and wide, that is not how any of that works. Remember the paint chips in GT5 that cost money and were single use? Guess why that didn't continue? Because the community pushed back. This warped sense of "Polyphony Digital is my buddy" is rather unhealthy. They're not your friends, they're not your family — this is a business transaction and nothing more, hold them (and every other developer and publisher) to a higher standard.
Now, let me make one thing clear: if you want the DLC, fine, that's your choice and no one has the right nor reason to dissuade you from spending your coin as you please. However, this sympathetic narrative and creating reasons why it's a good value for anyone other than yourself just shouldn't exist for the reasons mentioned above.
I love how this is always bringed up whenever someone just show appreciation for PD. Classic, predictable, and literally everywhere in this forum.
That GT5 DLC was 8 years ago and PD currently abandon such system since GT6. Let's judge the company based on current practices, yes?
Again, if you found no value on the DLC, just don't buy it. Simple, really.
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And I love that whenever anyone dares to criticize Polyphony Digital, people such as yourself, rush to their defense. They aren't your friends — they aren't going to pat you on the back and say "Thank you. We needed that."
See how easy it is to dismiss a comment with a snarky retort?
Looks at thread title.
They're selling a series of time trials as DLC, how's that for current?
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@Terronium-12 you've hit the nail on the head there.
I don't care that they have put out a paid DLC, my concern is, it is aimed at the super quick who are already as quick as, or quicker than these times and have done so doing this in the base game already.
If you wish to reward PD for that utter mediocrity with a tagged on celebrity driver no less, feel free. Just don't be surprised if it is a start of a slippery slope where you basically thank developers for a game you already paid them to buy. Their partnerships with Tag Heuer, Michelin et al is paid advertising, which is how monthly updates are still free.
I don't care that they have put out a paid DLC, my concern is, it is aimed at the super quick who are already as quick as, or quicker than these times and have done so doing this in the base game already.
If you wish to reward PD for that utter mediocrity with a tagged on celebrity driver no less, feel free. Just don't be surprised if it is a start of a slippery slope where you basically thank developers for a game you already paid them to buy. Their partnerships with Tag Heuer, Michelin et al is paid advertising, which is how monthly updates are still free.
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Newsflash: You can like a game and still criticize the developer that makes it. You can be a fan but still criticize what you are a fan of. I am a long time GT player with every single numbered game but guess what? That isn't gonna give PD a free pass to do something I don't like. This is the same criticism I'll levy towards ANY developer.
PD aren't gods so people should stop putting them on a pedestal, them giving us free content still doesn't change the fact that they still have a faulty penalty system or still have the pit lane bug that hasn't been fixed so how about coming up with something original yourselves towards ANY criticism (And not just the people that turn up in every update thread just consistantly moan about not getting the cars they get in a ton of other games) instead of the same childish remarks about "being grateful" while taking pot shots at literally every other developer.
PD aren't gods so people should stop putting them on a pedestal, them giving us free content still doesn't change the fact that they still have a faulty penalty system or still have the pit lane bug that hasn't been fixed so how about coming up with something original yourselves towards ANY criticism (And not just the people that turn up in every update thread just consistantly moan about not getting the cars they get in a ton of other games) instead of the same childish remarks about "being grateful" while taking pot shots at literally every other developer.
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I'm not telling anyone that is criticizing anything to grow up. I'm telling those who feel that calling people names for the their choice to buy the DLC to grow up. Big difference.
You can like the DLC or not like the DLC. You can buy the DLC or not buy the DLC.
For whatever reason that reason doesn't really matter. But the second people start calling others names like Stupid, a Fool, and a host of other things spread out among this thread just because of your choice....Yeah makes you a child and it's exactly what a 2 year old does and you should be called out for it.
Again I'm not calling out anyone for their choice or opinion on the DLC that's everyone's right. I'm only talking to those who feel compelled to call other derogatory names for their choices. Again big difference between the two and my post only references those people and no one else.
So if my post hurt anyone's feelings then I guess the truth hurts.
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That is not the point. The point is you shouldn't be treating PD like they are your friends. They are a business and therefore aim to make money, just like everybody else in the market to continue running their businesses.
The Paint Chip DLC will always be brought up because it is an example of how NOT to do DLC. This Time Trials DLC could have easily been free in an update, but for whatever reason, PD decided it be best to make it paid only and use the credit cap increase as one of the rewards to try and lore people in, which could have also been part of an update.
There's nothing wrong with showing appreciation to any company, but this action IMO, just isn't one of them. The new cars/tracks could have been paid DLC as well. But again, that was PD's decision to make them free.
It's okay though, we should always show PD appreciation regardless of what they do or don't do, as if they're holy gods of the racing genre...
Oh, yeah, we totally should forget that instead of acknowledging the fact that PD charged us real money for single use chips.
It feels good so to be charged with real money again for glorified time trials. Gotta show PD our appreciation for all the hard work they've done...
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The pay to lift credit cap thing gives me huge "slippery slope" vibes. Don't think I'll be buying this.
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The only advice I can give you is, get another cat
On topic - if you want the DLC, don't call out/insult people who dont. If you don't want the DLC, don't call out/insult those who do. The two viewpoints are NOT mutually exclusive, you know!
Now, can we PLEASE talk about the DLC and not pass insults for the rest of this thread. The only thing I've learnt from this thread so far is that I am really really disappointed in the people on this forum, having been a member for 10+ years. If I wanted to listen to people insulting each other, I'd watch the news.....
Personally, I probably wont buy it, but if other people do, that's up to them. I've spent last 2 days visiting my gran in hospital - this is REALLY not that important either way.
Rant over/
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They added content aggressively ( too many GT6 cars ) because they released 1/4 of the GT game. As I was saying from waaay back - GT Sport wasn't a choice. It was a necessity as they couldn't produce enough content for a proper GT game.
Economy was broken from the start and 20 mln limit was pointless - unless they planned this DLC from the start But then again - the cap isn't as much of an issue as the grind required to get to that 20mln.
This DLC is ridiculous
Economy was broken from the start and 20 mln limit was pointless - unless they planned this DLC from the start
But then again - the cap isn't as much of an issue as the grind required to get to that 20mln. This DLC is ridiculous
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If anything, I'd argue the dedication to the grind would have to ramp up quite a bit to even get near that much credits (Assuming anyone wants to). Now if this were introduced with a seasonal-esque events AND the daily login bonus, it would at least be of some assistance and could somewhat make the grind abit easier. As it is now after really having a think about it, it just further makes the decision to monetize it rather then put it in for free all the more bizarre as it barely does anything other then increase how much you can have while STILL offering no easier means to get up there other then what has been done (And if anyone wanted the 20 Million Credit cars like I did, done a million times over)
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Nobody tried to beat those times just to try ?
I took the car with RH and full stock on Dragon Trail, with full track limits and made a 1'37"057 and it was pretty hard, needed 15 laps to do it. Optimal was 1'36"7 and I know where I lose time but it's not easy to match every sector...
Anyway, it was just for fun, we don't know if BoP will be on or if there will be a special setup.
Edit : just realized we won't have to beat LH to get gold :/
I took the car with RH and full stock on Dragon Trail, with full track limits and made a 1'37"057 and it was pretty hard, needed 15 laps to do it. Optimal was 1'36"7 and I know where I lose time but it's not easy to match every sector...
Anyway, it was just for fun, we don't know if BoP will be on or if there will be a special setup.
Edit : just realized we won't have to beat LH to get gold :/
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So, you basically paying a DLC for a Content, that is already party of the Game just to unlock to the Credit Caps, which is gated through a Paywall.
Yikes.
Yikes.
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If you want to, yes.
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Also once the DLC is out everyone will know the times to beat so the "value" will drop even further. ( more like drill thru the ground imho but ok )
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I actually attempted those just to get a feel for the difficulty curve (which I later learned was on Hards,).
Out of curiosity, did you attempt it with the online physics or in Arcade mode?
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The benefit is you can defer spending the money. At the moment, if you have, say, 75m of cars remaining to obtain, when you reach 20m you have to pick one of them to buy. You MIGHT, shortly after, find you need one of the others for something, but now you can't buy it. Okay, it's not that likely, given how useless the most expensive cars are for most purposes, but I'd still prefer to not put myself in that position. With the higher credit limit, you can just keep on accumulating credits, and preserve the ability to obtain any of the cars you don't have, if the need arises.
It also seems like the new TTs will provide quite high credit rewards.
I still don't like that they're charging for it, but I do think it's a useful thing to have. It could be worse, there are games where you can pay to increase the credit payouts from races, now that really is a slippery slope of developers getting away with making it ever harder to obtain credits, and raking in more and more real money from charging people to make it easier to obtain credits.
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This feels uncomfortably too much like what you see in a Free-to-play game where you can spend real money (often ALOT as I repeatidly see) just for a decent sum of in-game money. While this is not the worst example (See that one EA title where you had to drop huge amounts of real world money just to progress anywhere as the way to REALLY be awful with it), it has the unsettling feeling on the sort of precedence this could set for future titles, which is something not to feel too great about.
Yep you won't, I suspect someone realized that would be too much an ask for the majority of players so the gold times (at least looking at the Brands Hatch one) are looking to be about a second slower then Hamilton's actual times. Still looking to be quite a dificult challenge though so I'm not sure it'll be much easier even without needing to pip a 6 time F1 champion just to get gold.
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In a world where GTAV made more money from selling shark cards than the $1 billion+ it made from the original game, I honestly don't care either way.
I'll still be enjoying Laguna Seca which will cost me **** all.
If I ever get back to having 20m credits, bearing in mind all the free **** coming up which will cost me credits, I'll come back to this thread.
At this point, I think this thread is "stuck" until more information about the DLC becomes available?
I'll still be enjoying Laguna Seca which will cost me **** all.
If I ever get back to having 20m credits, bearing in mind all the free **** coming up which will cost me credits, I'll come back to this thread.
At this point, I think this thread is "stuck" until more information about the DLC becomes available?
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