Lexus IS F CCS-R '11 One Lap Time Trial: Nürburgring 24H

[Stewyripper]

I know that this is a non-tuning event. but does anyone have any 'Must Do' tips to get gold? like certain driving options that HAVE to be to OFF? or anything to make this much easier?
I only ask because i remember a few of the license test were Literally impossible until you turned off Traction Control. Anything like that going on here? Or am i just not fast enough?
No point in using a top 10 Ghost. can't see them after turn 4.
UUHHGG i need some chocolate

no traction control, controller on 4 and abs on 3 works for me, but beware the higher the abs the less stopping power,
on the other hand abs on 3 will give that little bit extra grip on corners.
hope this helps in you quest

 

[GTP_Richtofen]

no traction control, controller on 4 and abs on 3 works for me, but beware the higher the abs the less stopping power,
on the other hand abs on 3 will give that little bit extra grip on corners.
hope this helps in you quest

Thank you luv
Ya Traction control and ABS were the settings i kept playing with hoping to find a good connection. I put my fastest lap up using TC-1__ 9:25:xxx___ So hopefully no TC will give me the little extra humph out of the corners. Been trying all night and I'm about to put my Heels thru the TV

 

[ItsHim]

So after about 15 attempts I managed to get a clean lap in (I'm rubbish through the GP circuit, and am probably easily loosing 3-4 seconds there) but as for the Nordschleife, I really didn't feel I was leaving much on the table, thanks to the new FFB it really felt like I was on a grip knife-edge through many of the corners.... and it only yielded me a 9:42, so after about 10 more DSQ laps I banged another one in, this time only 4 seconds off Gold... then I gave up for the night.

I know its the ring, so consistent small gains will really add up, but honestly I'm a minute behind the leaders.... a whole minute. I never expect to be the fastest, because I'm simply not that good, but a minute? I honestly have no idea where these guys are pulling all these extra seconds from! Sure, I miss a couple of apexes, and I normally have at least one slight wobble-and-off-the-power moment, I just can't help but feel I'm doing something fundamentally wrong! It's demoralising! After 15 years, 3 consoles, 10 game releases and hundreds, maybe thousands of laps of the Nordschleife.....!

I do have one question, since I'm not used to racing at night... Is the track less grippy at night? I don't seem to be able to push quite as hard on the GP section of the circuit in the opening minutes compared to later on at the likes of Wippermann etc. ?

Half a second per corner adds up to 40 seconds a lap on the Nordschleife

From own experience, when I was competing for top spots of TTs a long time ago, I can only say that the top runners are both extremely talented and/or obsessed and sometimes are willing to put in hours and hours to get a top result.

Now I think it's pretty hard to lose old habits so it could be you just got used to using suboptimal lines. More often than not I find people are just trying too hard, losing more than they gain.

There's no alternative to seat time, which you should have plenty of.

So my guess is you are just trying too hard. Put in a modest lap. Your goal should be to be swift but not to scare an imaginary passenger to death. Look at your replay from 3rd person view to see where you make mistakes. Most likely going too hot into a corner or using too little of the track. Your biggest mistakes should be plain obvious to you in replay from a different camera angle.

Rinse and repeate.

I don't think the grip levels change at night, the bumps in the road feel more prominent though but that could be for any reason including me imagining things.

 

[ODB]

Half a second per corner adds up to 40 seconds a lap on the Nordschleife

From own experience, when I was competing for top spots of TTs a long time ago, I can only say that the top runners are both extremely talented and/or obsessed and sometimes are willing to put in hours and hours to get a top result.

Now I think it's pretty hard to lose old habits so it could be you just got used to using suboptimal lines. More often than not I find people are just trying too hard, losing more than they gain.

There's no alternative to seat time, which you should have plenty of.

So my guess is you are just trying too hard. Put in a modest lap. Your goal should be to be swift but not to scare an imaginary passenger to death. Look at your replay from 3rd person view to see where you make mistakes. Most likely going too hot into a corner or using too little of the track. Your biggest mistakes should be plain obvious to you in replay from a different camera angle.

Rinse and repeate.

I don't think the grip levels change at night, the bumps in the road feel more prominent though but that could be for any reason including me imagining things.

Hmmm, it wasn't too obvious but at leats initially it felt like there was more grip after the sun is fully in the sky... Thought the very twisty up hill down hill slalom after that long straigt in the middle of track can potentially just feel like it since it's also very grippy from the beginning at the GP section.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Mostly a combination of some of those factors @ItsHim, certainly not least is also getting used to my wheel. I've had it 6 months now, but not racked up that much time on it. If I was at 9/10s attack mode on the DS3, I'm only at 7/10 on the wheel, just because I find it so hard to straighten up if it goes wrong (which I find comparitively easy on the DS3). I'm also not giving it enough steering angle early on in a turn, because I'm now trying to judge grip via feedback from the wheel, a thought process that is skipped with the DS3 - this typically leads to me lifting off a fraction (or a fraction more suddenly) to try and rotate the car in to the corner.

At the end of the day you are right though, it's just about wheel time. In the days of GT4 I would be spending 3-6 hours per night lapping the ring in a stock E46 M3, hunting for thousandths, these days I'm lucky if I get 3 hours a week.

 

[ODB]

I can only say that the top runners are both extremely talented and/or obsessed and sometimes are willing to put in hours and hours to get a top result.

Even though I'm by no means a top runner, it's still like a drug when you see those blue numbers whit a minus sing in front of them when you cross that finish line, and if I know there's some more, I just have to get it!

And the red numbers are like someone throwing hot acid on your face

 

[CBH]

Hmmm, it wasn't too obvious but at leats initially it felt like there was more grip after the sun is fully in the sky... Thought the very twisty up hill down hill slalom after that long straigt in the middle of track can potentially just feel like it since it's also very grippy from the beginning at the GP section.

I found out that the car had a lot more grip to when the sun came fully up 👍.

 

[ODB]

I found out that the car had a lot more grip to when the sun came fully up 👍.

Actually I started to wonder what I just did wrong when I suddenly had some weird issues after karusell corner, just the first thing that came in mind was that maybe there was more grip when the sun is shining (since there obviously should be if they are accurate on that issue) but really hard to tell, last corner that should have less grip is in steep downhill, and the way the car can be pushed in the dark (because of quite a lot of grip) confuses the whole matter...

 

[JogoAsobi]

@ItsHim is on the money, avoid the kerbs, the Lexus hates them.
I flipped it hitting a kerb on the Red Bull Ring the other night.

Just be consistent, and get on the gas at exit as early as possible.
You may have to do quite a few laps if you don't usually run the ring.

Its not a track you can just hop on and wing it, needs some seat time.

 

[Konnichiwa]

I know that this is a non-tuning event. but does anyone have any 'Must Do' tips to get gold? like certain driving options that HAVE to be to OFF? or anything to make this much easier?
I only ask because i remember a few of the license test were Literally impossible until you turned off Traction Control. Anything like that going on here? Or am i just not fast enough?
No point in using a top 10 Ghost. can't see them after turn 4.
UUHHGG i need some chocolate

Turn off all aids, and drive every corner like"slow in fast out", don't go aggressive on corners and avoid the cerbs on the Nordschlife part. On some parts of the track they can kick you out off the track.

And, my advice is, chase you're ghost, and analyze if you can some corners and entries...! When you prepare you're car for a corner, always shift down to like 2nd, don't brake in third, so, brake down the car with down shifting and in the middle of the corner you can shift up to third, b'coz the car have much torque it will pull you about of the corner easy!

And at least, you have to know the track, special the dark part. Learn the track and have fun. (Try to have fun)

 

[CBH]

Actually I started to wonder what I just did wrong when I suddenly had some weird issues after karusell corner, just the first thing that came in mind was that maybe there was more grip when the sun is shining (since there obviously should be if they are accurate on that issue) but really hard to tell, last corner that should have less grip is in steep downhill, and the way the car can be pushed in the dark (because of quite a lot of grip) confuses the whole matter...

When you said maybe there was more grip when the sun is shining (since there obviously should be if they are accurate on that issue) I reckon that PD got it right on this if the track heat up when the sun comes up from being dark it will have a lot better grip on the track in this TT and that goes for the other TT where it goes from day to night I found the car has less grip at night.

 

[TexRex]

I've completed all the seasonals but don't remember any colours being repeated. Do you remember which ones by chance?

Here is a list of the seasonal paint chips in chronological order (I don't have time to list the dates or events they come from):

GT Chrome 006-W
Matte Light Green
GT Polarized 001-P
Matte Light Red
GT Chrome 005-C
Matte Blue
GT Chrome 010-W
Matte Yellow
GT Polarized 005-P
Matte Dark Silver
GT Polarized 004-P
GT Chrome 003-W
Matte Light Gray
GT Polarized 010-P
GT Japanese 010-W
GT Polarized 006-P
GT Polarized 003-P
GT Chrome 009-N
Matte Pink
GT Metallic 005-W
GT Military 001-C
GT Japanese 006-C
GT Pasteltone 001-C
GT Polarized 002-P
GT Gunmetal 006-W
GT Fluorescence 001-C
Matte Red
GT Metallic 007-W
GT Polarized 007-P
GT Old Generation 002-W
GT Gunmetal 003-W
GT Japanese 002-C
GT Japanese 007-W
GT Metallic 008-W
Matte Brown
GT Fluorescence 002-C
GT Gunmetal 007-W
GT Pasteltone 004-W
Matte Dark Gray
GT Chrome 001-W
GT Grey 010-N
GT Gunmetal 004-W
Matte Dark Red
GT Chrome 009-N
GT Gunmetal 010-W
GT Old Generation 008-C
GT Old Generation 004-W
GT Chrome 008-W
GT Military 002-W
Matte Orange
GT Gunmetal 008-W
GT Polarized 009-P
GT Grey 001-N
Matte Dark Green
GT Metallic 010-W
GT Pasteltone 009-W
GT Chrome 007-W
Arancia Metallic Orange
Matte Light Blue

Note that GT Chrome 009-N was offered twice; first with the X-Bow, then with the Huayra.

Edit, now I have to get in my orange Lexus to earn that Arancia Metallic Orange to complete my collection.

Just the one repeat, I guess that doesn't bode well for the Arancia Metallic Orange being repeated. Hey, maybe they'll award the chip to those who were unable to acquire it (be it due to ineptitude or simple non-participation) after the event has expired.
And thanks to @Jbaffoh for the list.

When you said maybe there was more grip when the sun is shining (since there obviously should be if they are accurate on that issue) I reckon that PD got it right on this if the track heat up when the sun comes up from being dark it will have a lot better grip on the track in this TT and that goes for the other TT where it goes from day to night I found the car has less grip at night.

What are the chances you felt these differences in grip because you either expected to or wanted to? Not to poke any holes, just wondering.

 

[MerleApAmber]

I'll take a thanks for trying paint chip.
I too have wondered about modeling grip v time of day since 1.09.
Worst thing just now, I'm having a devil of a time getting back to the best lap time I did first day of the event.
Oh, and I'll keep trying until they end the seasonal, for some reason the challenge is something I'm taking to pretty well... even if the car is a p o s in comparison to so many others I've driven.

 

[CBH]

Just the one repeat, I guess that doesn't bode well for the Arancia Metallic Orange being repeated. Hey, maybe they'll award the chip to those who were unable to acquire it (be it due to ineptitude or simple non-participation) after the event has expired.
And thanks to @Jbaffoh for the list.

What are the chances you felt these differences in grip because you either expected to or wanted to? Not to poke any holes, just wondering.

I do not understand your question.

 

[TexRex]

I do not understand your question.

Might you have had a placebo response to the time change and assumed temperature change? I can understand this being likely over a slower time change and extended periods of lower temperatures, but we're talking about something like 4 minutes.

 

[CBH]

Might you have had a placebo response to the time change and assumed temperature change? I can understand this being likely over a slower time change and extended periods of lower temperatures, but we're talking about something like 4 minutes.

I think it does not matter if it 8 minutes or 4 minutes but it has a lot to do with the in game time change.

 

[RyanRacer]

It may be because I drive so many awful-handling classic cars, but to me this car handles awesome! So easy to correct! Hardly any understeer or oversteer! The only reason it isn't perfect is because there are other cars that have better steering input and are even grippier grip monsters. However, like many cars, hates curbs and will not tolerate them. Oh well, I got a 9:15.XXX with ease. It was quite easy really, due to the car being so easy to drive, but there is as always still room for improvement as I gradually slowed down my pace on the ring because I was afraid of getting DQ'd. A very fun driving experience though.

 

[TexRex]

I think it does not matter if it 8 minutes or 4 minutes but it has a lot to do with the in game time change.

Certainly. I was too frustrated with the task to notice, what sort of time (in-game) is spent with the sun up compared to down?

 

[Jbaffoh]

It may be because I drive so many awful-handling classic cars, but to me this car handles awesome! So easy to correct! Hardly any understeer or oversteer! The only reason it isn't perfect is because there are other cars that have better steering input and are even grippier grip monsters. However, like many cars, hates curbs and will not tolerate them. Oh well, I got a 9:15.XXX with ease. It was quite easy really, due to the car being so easy to drive, but there is as always still room for improvement as I gradually slowed down my pace on the ring because I was afraid of getting DQ'd. A very fun driving experience though.

I hate you. (just kidding)

 

[Jbaffoh]

I'll take a thanks for trying paint chip.
I too have wondered about modeling grip v time of day since 1.09.
Worst thing just now, I'm having a devil of a time getting back to the best lap time I did first day of the event.
Oh, and I'll keep trying until they end the seasonal, for some reason the challenge is something I'm taking to pretty well... even if the car is a p o s in comparison to so many others I've driven.

My current best starting at 8:am is 9:23. My best in the event is 9:25. It might just be visibility, but the warmer track seems grippier.

 

[JogoAsobi]

For those who are struggling with gold...
...I have a replay I did in another account @ 9:18.116.

Very conservative lap, just avoided the Kerbs, nothing fancy.
Done with wheel/paddle shifters, no power assist, no aids/0 ABS.

No waiting for daylight, just ran the event right from start at 1:30.
I can upload the RPL file and/or post a video replay.

 

[JaseScott]

Hi guys, new here, just hav'n a look around trying to work out this online stuff...

Anyway, just reading your comments about the track temps.
Study the dash of this ring rug a bit closer, might help you with some answers.


Also like to add, thanx Lexus, never really looked in ya dealership before, I was so impressed, went bought a stockie as well. Rides the north loop just as serenely as this thing.

 

[Jbaffoh]

For those who are struggling with gold...
...I have a replay I did in another account @ 9:18.116.

Very conservative lap, just avoided the Kerbs, nothing fancy.
Done with wheel/paddle shifters, no power assist, no aids/0 ABS.

No waiting for daylight, just ran the event right from start at 1:30.
I can upload the RPL file and/or post a video replay.

My problem is all the other friends' lines. And wtf? Praiano rocks a 9:08, but he doesn't pass me until 1/3 through the lap! Yeah, he gains 17 seconds in the last 2/3. And the rabbit among my friends, who leads the first 1/2 lap, finishes around 9:17. Then there are others who start fast, finish late, and vice versa.

 

[LeoStrop]

I know that this is a non-tuning event. but does anyone have any 'Must Do' tips to get gold? like certain driving options that HAVE to be to OFF? or anything to make this much easier?
I only ask because i remember a few of the license test were Literally impossible until you turned off Traction Control. Anything like that going on here? Or am i just not fast enough?
No point in using a top 10 Ghost. can't see them after turn 4.
UUHHGG i need some chocolate

This car works at its best with brake on & throttle on, you can be aggressive with the brakes but make sure you have 20% or more throttle after/during turn in, this will help with the understeer, when you feel the grip give it 100% and trust in the car. If you hesitate and release everything you will have massive understeer. TC is always off for me, but i don't think it makes much difference for this car. Good luck!

 

[JogoAsobi]

My problem is all the other friends' lines. And wtf? Praiano rocks a 9:08, but he doesn't pass me until 1/3 through the lap! Yeah, he gains 17 seconds in the last 2/3. And the rabbit among my friends, who leads the first 1/2 lap, finishes around 9:17. Then there are others who start fast, finish late, and vice versa.

Yes, all the tron lines can be a problem vision-wise, they can really get in the way.
Too bad there is no way at the moment to keep the ghost and lose the tron lines.

Most of the time I keep them off, unless I am chasing someone on my No SRF Group LB.

As for @praiano63's time or lines, most likely he is just cruising.
When he puts his pedal to the metal he is usually much higher on LB, especially the Ring.

Sorry to hear the replay file isn't working out for you.
You still have 8 days to go. I am sure will get gold before then.

 

[MerleApAmber]

I've been kicking and screaming to the day I'm moving the brake pedal to the clutch position so I can two foot my driving easier.

 

[ryandtw]

It's a bit difficult, but at least I was able to get gold...

 

[Jbaffoh]

Yes, all the tron lines can be a problem vision-wise, they can really get in the way.
Too bad there is no way at the moment to keep the ghost and lose the tron lines.

Most of the time I keep them off, unless I am chasing someone on my No SRF Group LB.

As for @praiano63's time or lines, most likely he is just cruising.
When he puts his pedal to the metal he is usually much higher on LB, especially the Ring.

Sorry to hear the replay file isn't working out for you.
You still have 8 days to go. I am sure will get gold before then.

Thanks for the replay. I just need to stay on the track. Either I'm too conservative, or I'm in the bushes.

 

[Barra333]

The problem with the ghost and friend lines in this and the Le Mans TT is that they start when you get control of the car, not at the start of the lap. This means that you could look like you are up on your ghost, but in reality are not, just because you were quicker to the line to start the lap.
I hope that this is a one (two) off error by PD, and not the start of the norm.

 

[GTP_Richtofen]

This car works at its best with brake on & throttle on, you can be aggressive with the brakes but make sure you have 20% or more throttle after/during turn in, this will help with the understeer, when you feel the grip give it 100% and trust in the car. If you hesitate and release everything you will have massive understeer. TC is always off for me, but i don't think it makes much difference for this car. Good luck!

Turn off all aids, and drive every corner like"slow in fast out", don't go aggressive on corners and avoid the cerbs on the Nordschlife part. On some parts of the track they can kick you out off the track.

And, my advice is, chase you're ghost, and analyze if you can some corners and entries...! When you prepare you're car for a corner, always shift down to like 2nd, don't brake in third, so, brake down the car with down shifting and in the middle of the corner you can shift up to third, b'coz the car have much torque it will pull you about of the corner easy!

And at least, you have to know the track, special the dark part. Learn the track and have fun. (Try to have fun)

❤️Thank you Guys❤️! took your info and put in a few hours of this TT. Im happy and very infuriated all at once. Got my time down to 9:20:620!!!!! UUHHGG knocked down 7 seconds from my last best time but still not good enough for gold. And it seems that now i can't even stay with my ghost. Some of the turns i have no idea how i went thru them so fast. The more i kept trying the worse i got. I ended up calling it a night. Goin to have to give it a try 2mrw.