Lexus LFA Non-Racing Cars Super Lap - Brands Hatch Grand Prix Circuit

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Stop going so fast people, I haven't done a single lap yet :lol: Damn PD... I mean I even made thread about this couple of months a go (I think mods locked the thread to avoid total ****storm) but I just say this once more, THERE'S TOO MUCH CONTENT!! I mean how am I suppose to have time grind out my best result on these TT's when there's three of them at once and also this sweet sierra event. It takes me up to 2000km to get a clean lap that I'm content with, but now there's just no time for it all!!
(This post may contain sarcasm ;))
 
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GTP_CargoRatt
Great job my friend, look at you go. đź‘Ť Keep pushing, I'm pulling for you all the way. đź‘Ť :cheers:

@Growling You're welcome, great lap time and congrats on the leaderboard placement. :bowdown: :cheers:
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im now down to a 30.542 ranking 923rd at this time. Can get into the 29s, bit more tuning. Just cannt get near your blue line, but getting closer, one day be able to beat you.

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I've given a quick try to @GTP_CargoRatt tune. At the beginning is like unleashing the beast, but once you tame it... Oh Lord, you'll be rewarded. Just a few laps and I'm now under the 1:30 boundary sitting under the top 500. Great achievement for me. Thank you for sharing so kindly your great tune.
 
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The Lexus is certainly a handful at Brands Hatch!:eek:

After 300 miles:dopey:, I've gotten used to its handling and have been able to run a 1:28.696 lap which places me 85th on the Leaderboard.:)

I've driven off the track in more places than I would have thought possible.:boggled:

Great fun!
GTsail
 
Wooooh, this is really hard, took me +100 km to get gold time.

Thanks @GTP_CargoRatt for the tune, can't really say I enjoyed my first hour too much (this has more to do with the actual event, not your tune :lol:) but like you suggested it's quite fun, IF you can get it under control :scared:
 
IBZ6L20VT
I've given a quick try to @GTP_CargoRatt tune. At the beginning is like unleashing the beast, but once you tame it... Oh Lord, you'll be rewarded. Just a few laps and I'm now under the 1:30 boundary sitting under the top 500. Great achievement for me. Thank you for sharing so kindly your great tune.
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You're more than welcome my friend. đź‘Ť Congrats on the achievement, great job. đź‘Ť

@rgkma Great job and congrats on your achievement as well. đź‘Ť I am very honored, and humbled as well, to know that you and possibly others are using my ghosts/times as a benchmark/goal. It really makes me want to push that much harder and improve myself knowing others may be using me as an example, therefore making themselves that much better as well.

To everyone else: Keep pushing and lets all improve together. Through unity, we can push each other to improve and become the next generation top 10. đź‘Ť Good luck, and lets do this damn thing!!!! :cheers:

@ODB Keep at friend, you can do it, I really believe you can....you just got to believe in yourself which I know you do. đź‘Ť
 
GTP_CargoRatt
@ODB Keep at friend, you can do it, I really believe you can....you just got to believe in yourself which I know you do. đź‘Ť
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Yeah, up to a certain point :lol: I mean falling in to disbelieve is really close when you can't get a clean lap on Brands Hatch :lol: but yeah, it's all there, just got to alter my driving really drastically, I mean I don't want this to sound like an excuse but maybe driving mainly formulas for past month has had it's effect on my driving :lol:

Let's see if I can get even close to your time, insanely good time man :bowdown:
 
This is fun. :)

Have to congratulate all the fast guys for constantly pushing the limits of each TT. đź‘Ť
 
This event is pretty fun. Got my pink standard LFA for this one and put a hard suspension setup and had a lot of fun.

Maybe I could try with an actual setup this time.
 
Man, all of you guys are FAST!!!!! As a slow driver, I still won with no aids but with tunes. Thanks to @GTP_CargoRatt and @praiano63 tunes.

1. 1:33.121 with LFA and GTP_CargoRatt's tune (Gold) which is solid 3+ seconds improvement from stock.

2. 1:36.xxx with LFA stock at 542 PP (Silver)

3. 1:33.3xx with LFA Nurburgring with Praiano63's tune.(Gold)

4. I cannot drive STOCK LFA nor LFA Nurburgring at 580 PP without crashing. These cars will spin out even under braking in straight line lol. It is extremely unstable lol. Has anyone tried this? (Disqualification lol)

I compare the top 3 against my lap times in data logger. Surprisingly, I drive the same line, same braking points and have same exit speed most of the place. However, I have slower entry and mid corner speed. I tried running more aggressive but always end up spinning out. What comes down to is that they have earlier and more aggressive acceleration point. I then tried to do this but always end up spinning myself out, damn it. I see they have active steering at strong while I have it off. Will that help? Any tips from the pros?
 
FSportIS
I compare the top 3 against my lap times in data logger. Surprisingly, I drive the same line, same braking points and have same exit speed most of the place. However, I have slower entry and mid corner speed. I tried running more aggressive but always end up spinning out. What comes down to is that they have earlier and more aggressive acceleration point. I then tried to do this but always end up spinning myself out, damn it. I see they have active steering at strong while I have it off. Will that help? Any tips from the pros?
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They will have less steering lock applied mid corner... which will allow them to get on the power earlier and harder... the less steering lock you have applied, the more throttle you can use đź‘Ť
 
Stotty
They will have less steering lock applied mid corner... which will allow them to get on the power earlier and harder... the less steering lock you have applied, the more throttle you can use đź‘Ť
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I think you are right. However, I could not apply less steering lock without going off the track. I think that probably when they corner, they are some inches closer to the apex than I did and took a little bit later apex together with better rotation (which I definitely see) so their cars straighten up more with less steering lock at the midcorner. What would you advice on how to practice this?
 
1'26.439 (14th)

Using @GTP_CargoRatt tune with the following changes;

No intake manifold, no engine tuning; gives slightly better power:weight ratio
Ride 110 65
Camber 0 0
Toe 0 0
LSD 10 14 12

Gears are different as power upgrades are different... just do tranny flip.

Still plenty left to come as I've been 0.35 up on this lap at the final split... quite nice to drive if it wasn't for the stupid brake release oversteer... if it wasn't for this could use a better brake balance and use trail braking a bit more effectively.

FSportIS
I think you are right. However, I could not apply less steering lock without going off the track. I think that probably when they corner, they are some inches closer to the apex than I did and took a little bit later apex together with better rotation (which I definitely see) so their cars straighten up more with less steering lock at the midcorner. What would you advice on how to practice this?
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Are you using a pad or wheel? (I would think this one is a lot easier with a wheel!!).

If you're using a pad, someone like @matej2547 or @numbnuts70 would be better to give advice as they are quick with the DS3.

If you're using a wheel, the best place to start is to find the edge of grip and sit right on it until the corner open out... then gradually ease the lock off whilst increasing the throttle... as you become more skilled, you can over rotate some cars on entry, effectively squaring off the corner and allowing you to get hard on the gas really early.

I don't think this particular combo is a great one to learn on as it's a little too unstable, so will become frustrating. You want something you can complete most laps without crashing!
 
Stotty
1'26.439 (14th)

Using @GTP_CargoRatt tune with the following changes;

No intake manifold, no engine tuning; gives slightly better power:weight ratio
Ride 110 65
Camber 0 0
Toe 0 0
LSD 10 14 12

Gears are different as power upgrades are different... just do tranny flip.

Still plenty left to come as I've been 0.35 up on this lap at the final split... quite nice to drive if it wasn't for the stupid brake release oversteer... if it wasn't for this could use a better brake balance and use trail braking a bit more effectively.



Are you using a pad or wheel? (I would think this one is a lot easier with a wheel!!).

If you're using a pad, someone like @matej2547 or @numbnuts70 would be better to give advice as they are quick with the DS3.

If you're using a wheel, the best place to start is to find the edge of grip and sit right on it until the corner open out... then gradually ease the lock off whilst increasing the throttle... as you become more skilled, you can over rotate some cars on entry, effectively squaring off the corner and allowing you to get hard on the gas really early.

I don't think this particular combo is a great one to learn on as it's a little too unstable, so will become frustrating. You want something you can complete most laps without crashing!
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I'm using DFGT with no aids. I can control stock LFA with no tune and consistently turn in 1:36.xxx but once this car is up to 580PP with so much more power and weight loss, the car seems like a freaking jet and the throttle sensitivity increases ten fold. A bit aggressive throttle when the wheel is not completely straight can send me off the track.

I think aliens like you are so good at finding the exact G-force limit of how much turning and acceleration we can have simultaneously while I either underdrive or overdrive that limit. I ended up putting in higher gear for more stability but that also reduce acceleration tremendously.

Regarding that over rotating car, it is so fun to watch and I have seen the top 10 doing it all the times. So smooth, so precise with counter steering and it just zrrooomm... However, when it is my turn, my car doesn't rotate but went straight into the gravel lol.

What troubles me the most in this car is the stupid crazy tendency of oversteering: brake release oversteer, early and hard throttle oversteer, throtte release over steer etc

Thanks for sharing so much tips and tricks.
 
FSportIS
I'm using DFGT with no aids. I can control stock LFA with no tune and consistently turn in 1:36.xxx but once this car is up to 580PP with so much more power and weight loss, the car seems like a freaking jet and the throttle sensitivity increases ten fold. A bit aggressive throttle when the wheel is not completely straight can send me off the track.

I think aliens like you are so good at finding the exact G-force limit of how much turning and acceleration we can have simultaneously while I either underdrive or overdrive that limit. I ended up putting in higher gear for more stability but that also reduce acceleration tremendously.

Regarding that over rotating car, it is so fun to watch and I have seen the top 10 doing it all the times. So smooth, so precise with counter steering and it just zrrooomm... However, when it is my turn, my car doesn't rotate but went straight into the gravel lol.

What troubles me the most in this car is the stupid crazy tendency of oversteering: brake release oversteer, early and hard throttle oversteer, throtte release over steer etc

Thanks for sharing so much tips and tricks.
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No problems... there are plenty of drivers a lot faster than I am!

You have a wheel, which is a good start :)

Looking at your current times, I wouldn't use this combo to try to improve your skills... it's a very tricky car and the track has a lot of high speed blind entries... probably a bit too frustrating as you'll crash a lot!

If I were you, I'd take something like a BMW CSL or NSX Concept '01 (both have a lovely balance), fit fully custom suspension, remove the camber and toe (leave everything else stock), go to Suzuka East and practice, practice, practice! Suki East is a nice short track, with a great combination of corners, and it's a perfect test venue.

I think I have a few saved replays in the CSL there and I'd be happy to send you one to use as a ghost.
 
Stotty
1'26.439 (14th)

Using @GTP_CargoRatt tune with the following changes;

No intake manifold, no engine tuning; gives slightly better power:weight ratio
Ride 110 65
Camber 0 0
Toe 0 0
LSD 10 14 12

Gears are different as power upgrades are different... just do tranny flip.

Still plenty left to come as I've been 0.35 up on this lap at the final split... quite nice to drive if it wasn't for the stupid brake release oversteer... if it wasn't for this could use a better brake balance and use trail braking a bit more effectively.



Are you using a pad or wheel? (I would think this one is a lot easier with a wheel!!).

If you're using a pad, someone like @matej2547 or @numbnuts70 would be better to give advice as they are quick with the DS3.

If you're using a wheel, the best place to start is to find the edge of grip and sit right on it until the corner open out... then gradually ease the lock off whilst increasing the throttle... as you become more skilled, you can over rotate some cars on entry, effectively squaring off the corner and allowing you to get hard on the gas really early.

I don't think this particular combo is a great one to learn on as it's a little too unstable, so will become frustrating. You want something you can complete most laps without crashing!
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Great lap :bowdown:, now I'll have someone to chase. đź‘Ť I'll also try your changes to see if it makes any difference for me. :cheers:
 
Stotty
No problems... there are plenty of drivers a lot faster than I am!

You have a wheel, which is a good start :)

Looking at your current times, I wouldn't use this combo to try to improve your skills... it's a very tricky car and the track has a lot of high speed blind entries...
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Yeah, I really had to apply every trick I know just to get some sort of a lap time at all, and this really feld like the most complicated car I driven in seasonals so far. I don't know but maybe it's bit hard to understand that this is NOT a race car nor it has tyres to control that insane power output. I mean driving this car goes like: brake very early, so early that you drive trough the corner very delegatly, then star accelerating very carefully not going all out before 5th gear:lol: I don't know but hot lapping in real super car seems like it would be really dangerous :odd: No wonder though...
 
For me, the car has loads of exit traction as long as you're on the right line and you're not understeering at all when you get on the gas (and you're not on a kerb). So it's critical that you NEVER carry too much speed in to the corner.

The challenge is on the way in, where any significant amount of brake pressure released whilst turning results in the back of the car sliding. This can be overcome with more front brake bias and a lot of LSD decel, but setting a car up like this kills mid corner rotation.

So the trick with the car is to get all your braking done early and (mostly) in a straight line... get the nose in to the corner with zero understeer and then pick up the throttle early to get a fast exit. Feels really slow in a lot of places, but unless there's a way to kill the brake release oversteer I haven't found yet, it's the fastest way to drive the car.
 
Stotty
For me, the car has loads of exit traction as long as you're on the right line and you're not understeering at all when you get on the gas (and you're not on a kerb). So it's critical that you NEVER carry too much speed in to the corner.

The challenge is on the way in, where any significant amount of brake pressure released whilst turning results in the back of the car sliding. This can be overcome with more front brake bias and a lot of LSD decel, but setting a car up like this kills mid corner rotation.

So the trick with the car is to get all your braking done early and (mostly) in a straight line... get the nose in to the corner with zero understeer and then pick up the throttle early to get a fast exit. Feels really slow in a lot of places, but unless there's a way to kill the brake release oversteer I haven't found yet, it's the fastest way to drive the car.
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Yeah, going really easy on corners and takin really good care everytime you change your inputs or even input levels.

CAREFUL is the word of the day :lol:
 
Hello everyone!:)

As most of you now know, @et_ have been banned, so he cannot update the OP. But he has compiled the tunes posted by you guys, and here they are:

Lexus LFA Non-Racing Cars Super Lap:

Lexus LFA '10 - @GTP_CargoRatt:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threa...rand-prix-circuit.317518/page-3#post-10110491

Lexus LFA '10 - @shaunm80:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threa...atch-grand-prix-circuit.317518/#post-10104458

Lexus LFA NĂĽrburgring Package '12 - @shaunm80:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threa...rand-prix-circuit.317518/page-2#post-10107369

Lexus LFA NĂĽrburgring Package '12 - @nExx:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threa...atch-grand-prix-circuit.317518/#post-10105636

Lexus LFA NĂĽrburgring Package '12 - @AngHell:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/tunes/lexus-lfa-nurburgring-package-12.422/

Lexus LFA NĂĽrburgring Package '12 - @VictrolaTime:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threa...rand-prix-circuit.317518/page-2#post-10108172

Adjustments to Cargo's tune by @Stotty:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threa...rand-prix-circuit.317518/page-4#post-10115864
 

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