Lion's Den Performance- New Autozam, Camaro RM

[Xanique]

Just wanted to say thank you for the Nissan GTR SpecV '09 setup. Easily won the GTR seasonal one i learned the track. I couldnt believe how well it handled despite me bing far from the smothest driver.

 

[Ammar-Q]

Erm...I'm a complete dunce when it comes to cars and know hardly anything about them and next to nothing about tuning.

Am I right in saying you're making tuning guides for different cars, and that if you are, can I request a setup for the Lamborghini Murcielago LP-670 SV?

Thanks.

 

[Luminaire]

Well, In all honesty I was a bit of skeptic in general about what was being accomplished with these tunes and how much of a difference it was making compared to just slamming the ride height, upping the downforce and making some minor tweaks to top speed gearing.

But in the last couple tunes I've given a shot I've seen some marked improvement over my own previous set ups... so grudgingly, I'd have to say you're on to something here lol.

Thing is, sometimes in the tunes I don't quite understand why you are making the adjustments you did and in the tuner's notes there is, at times, and lack of explanation.

For instance, you might state what issues the car had to start with, how you diagnosed those issues and EXACTLY the kind of things you did to remedy said issue. Just a suggestion I suppose.

All that said, good work on the tunes and this thread in general... it's an overall excellent contribution I must say. Do you have any need for a tester? I'm a fairly solid driver with a lot of experience and generally I'm fairly consistent. I see you like using Nurburgring as a measuring stick... I could continue that trend with precise lap times or use my personal favorite, Deep Forest, as a gauge of how these different tunes perform.

Keep up the good work!

 

[Paulie]

The Tuner's Notes are merely some tips about how to drive my tune, not what issues the car had originally. You, as the person seeking a tune, already know your car has issues, I don't need to tell you them.

 

[maxpontiac]

The Tuner's Notes are merely some tips about how to drive my tune, not what issues the car had originally. You, as the person seeking a tune, already know your car has issues, I don't need to tell you them.

Judging by what has happened over the weekend, perhaps it has become necessary that you place a disclaimer in front of every tune you post. It should be common sense, though.

Personally speaking, I never took your tunes as an "instant fix" and have always used your tunes as a starting point to adjust to my individual tastes. Your benchmark is far superior to the factory setting after all.

I have feedback on your GTR tune that I will be offering back to you soon, for I forgot my notes on exactly what I did, and why I did it. Perhaps not for you, but maybe there is someone out there that my adjustments might help.

I also notice you did a Pontiac Solstice Tune, and I thank you for that! I will be offering you my feedback on that as well.

Keep up the good work gents.👍

 

[AcefaceGB]

LDP Lancer Ascension IV Predator Edition
(422hp/315kw @ 7,400rpm) (480Nm @ 3,900rpm) (1119kg)

Description: The next step above Evolution is ascension, and that's what we've done with this Lancer, provide the next step up in performance. We've boosted power to 422hp for a start, a nice healthy figure, and shod it in semi-slicks for performance. Gone are all the luxuries, resulting in a kerb weight of 1119kg. Then we turned our attention to the chassis work, helping to cope with the extra power is a sports suspension kit tuned by yours truly, and we've got an ECU that allows us to tweak the Active Yaw Control further enhancing the car's ability to turn for spirited driving. With a 7'19 time at Nurburgring, it's quite the competent performer.

Base Model: Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution IV GSR '96

Parts to Purchase:

Tuning Shop:
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Window Weight Reduction
Rigidity Improvement
Carbon Bonnet
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Sports ECU
Sports Intake Manifold
Racing Air Filter
Titanium Racing Exhaust System
Sports Exhaust Manifold
Sports Catalytic Converter
Fully Customisable Transmission
Twin Plate Clutch
Semi Racing Flywheel
Carbon Propeller Shaft
Torque Distributing Centre Differential
Fully Customisable Suspension Kit
Sports Soft Tyres

GT Auto:
Oil Change
Rims (Optional)
Restore Body Rigidity (Where applicable)
Engine Overhaul (Where applicable)

Tuner's Notes:
It can step out the rear under heavy braking with steering angle applied.
Shift at the 8,000rpm redline.
The AYC system rotates the car nicely off throttle, use it but don't over-reef the wheel or you'll over engage the AYC causing oversteer and an overload of the outside front- not common but possible.
Tuned with all aids off except ABS on 1

Settings:
1) General Purpose Dry Weather Setup
_________________________________________
General Purpose Dry Weather Setup

Transmission:
1st: 2.599
2nd: 1.720
3rd: 1.243
4th: 0.943
5th: 0.751
6th: 0.628
Final: 4.529
Max Speed: 340km/hr

Drivetrain: (front/rear)
AYC Controller: 75
Torque Split: 30/70

Suspension: (front/rear)
Ride Height: -30/-28
Spring Rates (kgf/mm): 5.9/5.0
Dampers Extension: 5/4
Dampers Compression: 3/2
Anti-Roll Bars: 2/7
Camber: 2.2/1.6
Toe: -0.12/-0.16

Brake Balance (front/rear): 6/4

Hi Paulie, first off this is my first post so go easy! I just had a go at building the above Evo, mainly because I thought it looked cool I'll admit but also because this is the first time I've come accross this kind of an initiative concerning a game and I thought, this guy has obviously put in some work and deserves some feedback
I've been playing the GT series from the first game so hopefully that qualifies me to give an opinion, I think I'm pretty good by now but I'm never gonna win GT academy if you get my meaning!
Anyway, the Evo... I decided not to change the tranny because the whining ruins the engine sounds for me but everything else I kept as per your spec. First thing I noticed is the power delivery, very smooth, much better that using a big turbo. the initial turn in a grip is also very good and it holds on well mid corner so long as you hold a good line but where it falls down for me is the understeer. This is probably a personal thing and I expect the majority of people who try this car will find it puts in consistently quick laps on the more open tracks but when it gets tight and twisty it becomes a bit a of a struggle. It is possible to coax it into lift off oversteer but you have to be trying for it but the main issue is coming out of the bend, it's very difficult to get on the power early because you just get propelled towards the outside of the bend so unless you've picked the perfect line going in, you're on and off the power coming out which is not indicative of smoothness. I think maybe the problem is either too much mechanical grip at the rear or it needs the Torque Distribution adjusting more to the rear? Again, this is probably a personal taste thing and I'll probably get told I'm wrong in a minute but I think while it's great if a car is quick, it means nothing if it's not much fun to drive, this is a game after all and should be fun right!?
Anyway, hopefully I've not offended you or anyone else, I think what you're doing deserves a lot of kudos and I think a lot of other people out there would be charging for this kind of thing so fair play to you!

cheers

 

[OneLethalSVT]

Paulie, first I want to thank you for the GNX tune. The car handles perfectly. Secondly I was wondering if you might have the time to do one for the SVT Ford Lightning? Thanks.

 

[Luminaire]

The Tuner's Notes are merely some tips about how to drive my tune, not what issues the car had originally. You, as the person seeking a tune, already know your car has issues, I don't need to tell you them.

Ah, so you intentionally conceal your tuning methods?

Got it, because there would be real value in advising how to correct issues you encounter on the road so that others may be able to make adjustments on their own. You'd be like a professor of sorts... instead of say, a magician lol.

 

[Luminaire]

Personally speaking, I never took your tunes as an "instant fix" and have always used your tunes as a starting point to adjust to my individual tastes. Your benchmark is far superior to the factory setting after all.

I agree, I'm not holding anything to some standard and don't view these tunes as some kind of "instant fix"

And really, anyone's "benchmark" should be superior to the factory setting. I have never had trouble improving upon the default settings.

What made me curious... is that while my version of the Ferrari 458 was quite the performer, I tried out this LDP tune... and well, it's better, period. Tested it on a few different tracks and each time it was more stable in and out of corners leading to significantly improved lap times.

But I don't know why... why was the height in the rear higher than up front? Any reason the compression rates are relatively low? How does the lower initial torque and higher acceleration values affect the car?

But hey, bottom line... the ferrari is a monster... so good work.

 

[m176]

You guys are great, I used your Alfa Brera tune for the basis of my VW R32 '03 and shaved 4sec off my time at Nordschleife. The cars are pretty similar 3.2 AWD. I love the euro hatches, I would love to see some tunes for the GTI, Clio, and Mini. I've been following you guys since GT5P, keep up the great work.

 

[maxpontiac]

I agree, I'm not holding anything to some standard and don't view these tunes as some kind of "instant fix"

And really, anyone's "benchmark" should be superior to the factory setting. I have never had trouble improving upon the default settings.

What made me curious... is that while my version of the Ferrari 458 was quite the performer, I tried out this LDP tune... and well, it's better, period. Tested it on a few different tracks and each time it was more stable in and out of corners leading to significantly improved lap times.

But I don't know why... why was the height in the rear higher than up front? Any reason the compression rates are relatively low? How does the lower initial torque and higher acceleration values affect the car?

But hey, bottom line... the ferrari is a monster... so good work.

Indeed. The Lions Den won me over on GT5P with their F40 tune that was used on one of the "A" class races (I believe).

I took their tune, made adjustments to it that worked for me, and finally was able to achieve the gold after many frustrating hours.

 

[Paulie]

Hi Paulie, first off this is my first post so go easy! I just had a go at building the above Evo, mainly because I thought it looked cool I'll admit but also because this is the first time I've come accross this kind of an initiative concerning a game and I thought, this guy has obviously put in some work and deserves some feedback
I've been playing the GT series from the first game so hopefully that qualifies me to give an opinion, I think I'm pretty good by now but I'm never gonna win GT academy if you get my meaning!
Anyway, the Evo... I decided not to change the tranny because the whining ruins the engine sounds for me but everything else I kept as per your spec. First thing I noticed is the power delivery, very smooth, much better that using a big turbo. the initial turn in a grip is also very good and it holds on well mid corner so long as you hold a good line but where it falls down for me is the understeer. This is probably a personal thing and I expect the majority of people who try this car will find it puts in consistently quick laps on the more open tracks but when it gets tight and twisty it becomes a bit a of a struggle. It is possible to coax it into lift off oversteer but you have to be trying for it but the main issue is coming out of the bend, it's very difficult to get on the power early because you just get propelled towards the outside of the bend so unless you've picked the perfect line going in, you're on and off the power coming out which is not indicative of smoothness. I think maybe the problem is either too much mechanical grip at the rear or it needs the Torque Distribution adjusting more to the rear? Again, this is probably a personal taste thing and I'll probably get told I'm wrong in a minute but I think while it's great if a car is quick, it means nothing if it's not much fun to drive, this is a game after all and should be fun right!?
Anyway, hopefully I've not offended you or anyone else, I think what you're doing deserves a lot of kudos and I think a lot of other people out there would be charging for this kind of thing so fair play to you!

cheers

Thanks for the review! I can understand this car coming across as understeery to different driving styles, I was just using the AYC to get it rotating and pointing at the apex, obviously I still tried to make it handle well on throttle with suspension work. I can't remember for sure, but I thought more rearward torque caused a slight bit of oversteer that led to slower times.

Paulie, first I want to thank you for the GNX tune. The car handles perfectly. Secondly I was wondering if you might have the time to do one for the SVT Ford Lightning? Thanks.

I don't even have that Ford yet, but I don't really feel like tuning one at the moment either.

Ah, so you intentionally conceal your tuning methods?

Got it, because there would be real value in advising how to correct issues you encounter on the road so that others may be able to make adjustments on their own. You'd be like a professor of sorts... instead of say, a magician lol.

I don't have the time or patience to be a professor, but magician, I like the sound of that.

You guys are great, I used your Alfa Brera tune for the basis of my VW R32 '03 and shaved 4sec off my time at Nordschleife. The cars are pretty similar 3.2 AWD. I love the euro hatches, I would love to see some tunes for the GTI, Clio, and Mini. I've been following you guys since GT5P, keep up the great work.

Interesting cross match! I'm not sure what plans I have for the Euro hatches at the moment, certainly none for the Mini which I don't like myself.

 

[rEN-]

The Holden Commodore Tune is top stuff.

 

[Paulie]

The Holden Commodore Tune is top stuff.

Cheers mate, it is indeed a really nice car to drive that one.

 

[turkey]

I can't thank you enough for that R35GTR tune, It's fantastic for the seasonal race, I went from a tough 2nd place finish to passing the Ford GT on the hairpin. Thanks.

 

[CamryFan]

Just a quick drop in, I drove the MR-2 the other day, still forming opinions about it. Not really powerful enough to keep up with the big boys in MR Sportscar Cup or whatever it is. I might do a proper review soon.

 

[iGrf]

LDP Corvette Stingray Predator Edition
(549hp/409kw @ 5,100rpm) (919Nm @ 3,600rpm) (1257kg)​

I found the racemodel of this car in the second hand dealer yesterday.
It's lighter and has a lot more power as this tune but I still applied the tuning settings.
First try gave a VERY driveable car, much better than I expected from such and old monster
So and excellent setup !! Thanks.

Will try classic racecar series with it tonight and Will let you know how it goes.​

 

[Paulie]

Over the weekend I'll release a TVR Speed 6 Race Mod. I've been kind of caught up with B-Spec and online racing lately, so sorry for the lack of product recently.

Just a quick drop in, I drove the MR-2 the other day, still forming opinions about it. Not really powerful enough to keep up with the big boys in MR Sportscar Cup or whatever it is. I might do a proper review soon.

I designed it for a friend, the car kind of needs a bit of rear dowforce, or maybe even less power, but check the job I did from stock settings to where it is now.

I found the racemodel of this car in the second hand dealer yesterday.
It's lighter and has a lot more power as this tune but I still applied the tuning settings.
First try gave a VERY driveable car, much better than I expected from such and old monster
So and excellent setup !! Thanks.

Will try classic racecar series with it tonight and Will let you know how it goes.

There is no race car version of this car, this is a C3, and the old Z06 race car is a C2.

 

[CamryFan]

I designed it for a friend, the car kind of needs a bit of rear dowforce, or maybe even less power, but check the job I did from stock settings to where it is now.:sly

Oh absolutely, the stock car vs the tune warren no logical comparison, it so so much more a different animal, not just because it has suspension that supports the car but the balance of the setup. IMO it doesn't need a wing or less power, it a fun driver just as it is.

 

[holliday50]

I just used your Alpha Romeo Brera Sky Window tune and can't get enough of this car now. I raced it in Expert Series Turbo Challenge & in the Extreme Series European Championship & made light work of the competition. This thing handles like a dream. Like you warned, the back end will kick out under heavy braking when you're not coming in straight, but it's not so bad that the car is trying to turn around on ya. I simply release the brake, and the car corrects very quickly.

I have used several of your tunes now & love them all.....keep up the good work!

 

[Paulie]

I just used your Alpha Romeo Brera Sky Window tune and can't get enough of this car now. I raced it in Expert Series Turbo Challenge & in the Extreme Series European Championship & made light work of the competition. This thing handles like a dream. Like you warned, the back end will kick out under heavy braking when you're not coming in straight, but it's not so bad that the car is trying to turn around on ya. I simply release the brake, and the car corrects very quickly.

I have used several of your tunes now & love them all.....keep up the good work!

Thanks mate.

 

[AndyT]

Great to see Lions Den Performance tuning. I've been a fan of your work for some time and just want to thank you for all the time and effort you people put in.
When I finally get some serious play time I know I'll be in good hands with your set ups.

 

[DaxCobra]

Just to back Paulie up on the Cobra tune, tried it and my dad tried it who has driven one of these in real life on track days and he says that the car handles so ridiculously different in-game that it isn't funny. The biggest thing he noticed was the ability to pick up the throttle and powerslide, it shouldn't do that. In real life quoting his words "It snaps sideways and is nearly impossible to catch". So in real life we did something similar as I mentioned for track days, stiffened the front and softened the rear (we'd have it softer at the back but it'd bottom a shock out and obviously break it).

Not trying to prove BigSpoon wrong or anything like that, but Paulie has done a great job in settling down what is normally a crazy car.

All i'm going to say is watch this video, it looks soooo slow on computer, but looks fast in real life trust me...

My Dad has a Cobra in real life and he thinks the game has almost nailed it. We put in his suspension settings (Camber and toe only) and it felt real.

 

[Dragonistic]

LDP M3 HHP Predator Edition
(518bhp @ 9,100rpm) (48kgfm @ 4,600rpm) (1342kg)

Description: The M division of BMW do a great job turning the standard 3 series into a high performance performance machine already, but as usual the manufacturer has far more restraints then the guys here at LDP who decided to take the M3 up another level. The Hardcore Handling Pack (HHP) is designed to make this car into an extreme track day M3 to be enjoyed by all, focusing on stability and cornering over straight line speed. That's not to say the output has been left alone, in the knowledge that stickier tyres were on their way output was raised by 100bhp from stock to just over 500 to give some extra legs on the straight without moving to far away from stock. Thanks to the improved handling characteristics there is no dilution caused by that extra grunt though, the HHP provides the M3 with masses of grip and traction resulting in a smooth and easy to drive car particularly at high speed despite the stiffer set up. A track day car for everyone, the M3 HHP is an excellent step up from the stock M3 for skilled and novice drivers alike.

Base Model: BMW M3 Coupe '07

Parts to Purchase:

Tuning Shop:
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Window Weight Reduction
Carbon Bonnet
Rigidity Improvement
Engine Tuning Stage 1
Sports ECU
Sports Intake Manifold
Racing Air Filter
Titanium Semi-Racing Exhaust (chosen for sound over full racing)
Sports Exhaust Manifold
Sports Catalytic Converter
Fully Customisable Transmission
Twin Plate Clutch
Semi Racing Flywheel
Fully Customisable LSD
Carbon Propeller Shaft
Fully Customisable Suspension Kit
Sports Soft Tyres

GT Auto:
Oil Change
Restore Engine and Chassis as neccessary during the cars lifespan.
Front Aero Type A
Wing Type A

Tuner's Notes:
Very stable to drive, a hint of controllable oversteer can be found through heavy throttle use in lower speed turns whilst the downforce stops that at higher speed.
Keep in mind it's made to be stable for all users, pad or wheel, so it's not to aggressively set up and isn't designed to be the absolute fastest possible.

Settings:
1) General Purpose Dry Weather Setup
_________________________________________
General Purpose Dry Weather Setup

Transmission:
1st: 3.921
2nd: 2.626
3rd: 1.911
4th: 1.459
5th: 1.168
6th: 0.982
Final: 3.846
Max Speed: 199mph (May want to raise this slightly for circuits with very long straights)

Downforce:
0/20

Drivetrain: (front/rear)
Initial Torque: -/8
Acceleration: -/33
Deceleration: -/10

Suspension: (front/rear)
Ride Height: -20/-20
Spring Rates (kgf/mm): 11.1/9.5
Dampers Extension: 6/5
Dampers Compression: 5/4
Anti-Roll Bars: 5/4
Camber: 2.3/1.4
Toe: +0.22/-0.14

Brake Balance (front/rear): 6/4

 

[Paulie]

LDP Tuscan Speed X Predator Edition
(563hp/420kw @ 7,900rpm) (583Nm/430ft-lbs @ 5,900rpm) (885kg) (PP)

Description: What we have here is a car with a single minded approach to speed. The TVR is already a no frills sports car, with its light weight, powerful engine and lack of luxuries, but what we've done by turning it into a Predator Edition X is just a new level of insanity. The 4.0L Straight-6 is an absolute screamer, producing 420kw without the help of forced induction, thanks to attentive care from our team. The sound is there to match as well, the roar can be heard from miles away, the idle speed sounds like none other than a big block V8 with a lumpy cam. Keeping 420kw on Earth is an 885kg car aided by aerodynamics, and to make sure the best of the car is produced, we've tuned the suspension and driveline ourselves. Make no mistake, this car is one hell of a quick machine.

Base Model: TVR Tuscan Speed 6 '00

Parts to Purchase:

Tuning Shop:
Rigidity Improvement
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Sports ECU
Sports Intake Manifold
Racing Air Filter
Sports Exhaust Manifold
Sports Catalytic Converter
Carbon Propellor Shaft
Fully Customisable LSD
Sports Soft Tyres

GT Auto:
Oil Change
Racing Modification
Restore Body Rigidity (Where applicable)
Engine Overhaul (Where applicable)

Tuner's Notes:
Shift at 8,000rpm.
I don't think it's as fast as it looks on paper, but damn it's still fast.
Tuned with all aids off except ABS on 1.

Settings:
1) General Purpose Dry Weather Setup
_________________________________________
General Purpose Dry Weather Setup

Body/Chassis:
Ballast Amount (kg): 0
Ballast Position: 0
Aerodynamics: 35/60

Engine:
Power Limiter: 100%

Transmission:
1st: 3.023
2nd: 1.848
3rd: 1.266
4th: 0.922
5th: 0.714
Final: 3.730
Max Speed: 400km/hr
Please Note: You must set the "Max Speed" setting first before adjusting the ratios. If your ratios were previously adjusted, reset to default before inputting my settings.

Drivetrain: (front/rear)
Initial Torque: 0/8
Acceleration: 0/38
Deceleration: 0/5

Suspension: (front/rear)
Ride Height: -20/-17
Spring Rates (kgf/mm): 7.0/5.0
Dampers Extension: 4/3
Dampers Compression: 2/1
Anti-Roll Bars: 4/5
Camber: 1.8/1.3
Toe: -0.10/+0.20

Brake Balance (front/rear): 5/6

 

[Luminaire]

LDP Mustang Super Wallaby Predator Edition
(608hp/453kw @ 6,200rpm) (870Nm @ 4,400rpm) (1309kg)

Nice tune here as well, was really surprised by how much of a performer this car is.

Any reason you skipped on the supercharger? I bought the supercharger... used your tune as a guide and ran a 6:51 on Nurburgring first lap so I think it may have 6:45 potential. Comes in around 710hp with the supercharger.

 

[Paulie]

I figured the supercharger would be overkill for Sports tyres. What tyres were you using on your 6'51 run?

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

Just to say that the NSX-R Tune is a killer, love it

Great job on that one. I have some trouble with the Acura RM tho it tend to oversteer far too much on some track (deep forest mainly).

 

[Paulie]

Oversteer from the Acura? Is that even possible? Under brakes or acceleration?

 

[pixel_geist]

LDP Solstice Predator Edition
(390hp/291kw @ 6,900rpm) (434Nm @ 4,400rpm) (1097kg)

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Haha, o.k. I tried this tune out and I gotta say, a marked improvment over stock. The only items that I didn't buy were the aero and LSD mods, and this car can still pull one minute lap times at Grand Valley East.

I think I'll try this suspension set-up on my RX8 concept (type 1). I think that it may be beneficial on most (if not all) 4 cylinder FR's.

good job, guys, AND THANKS. I'll be trying more of your tunes, I just gotta do some 5 lap grinding at Euro championship -Rome (extreme) first.......