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Hardcore?
If this game isn't "hardcore" enough for you, then you are a casual gamer who thinks he's hardcore.
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Hardcore?
If this game isn't "hardcore" enough for you, then you are a casual gamer who thinks he's hardcore.
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- Dragonistic
Yet again I'll stress in it's presentation and ask you to prove to me how I will take a sackboy dressed up as a spaceman more seriously then going through MGS4 on the hardest setting.
I mean not to say 'I am better because I play serious games' I simple mean that this kind of presentation is not to my liking, and I accept many of you will and do enjoy this game. I also don't mean to say the game is shallow, it is obviously not but again I don't like this layout of games which every platformed I know seems to be a lean towards the cartoon then the real.
There's no need to take a personal stab at me saying I think I'm whatever and I'm wrong and either way it makes no different, I don't want to spend hour after hour running round as a sackboy doing various collections and so on, that is just me.
I mean not to say 'I am better because I play serious games' I simple mean that this kind of presentation is not to my liking, and I accept many of you will and do enjoy this game. I also don't mean to say the game is shallow, it is obviously not but again I don't like this layout of games which every platformed I know seems to be a lean towards the cartoon then the real.
There's no need to take a personal stab at me saying I think I'm whatever and I'm wrong and either way it makes no different, I don't want to spend hour after hour running round as a sackboy doing various collections and so on, that is just me.
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- FoolKiller1979
I will say this: until now only two series of games have kept me playing non-stop and getting to bed long after I should: Gran Turismo and Metal Gear Solid. LittleBigPlanet has just been added to that category.
It is hard to make a comparison. Just as it was hard for me, a die hard Gran Turismo fan, to see how I could possibly like a game like Metal Gear Solid. No one could have told me I would like it based on that.
But the trailers for MGS4 caught my attention and I decided to check out the previous titles. I ended up buying the MGS Essentials Collection and Portable Ops playing through the entire series before MGS4.
It is hard to take a game that is like anything else and explain why you would like it based on past games. Like I have said, at least give it a rental and see. If you don't like it that would make you only the third person I know who decided that, and the other two both only did the story mode and didn't want to bother with the rest.
My main addiction and attraction is the create mode. Last night I took pictures of a tiki statue and used them to make a boss for the new level I am working on. While taking those pictures my dog decided to check out what was going on, so I pulled the statue out of the way and threw a treat down in front of the camera and took a handful of pictures. I now have a small dog object also. I may decide to use some of the other images to make him into an enemy later on in another level.
It is that kind of thing, where everday items become inspiration for creativity, that make this game awesome. Heck, the tiki idea came when I had my camera just set aside and then decided to take an image for my current level and upon turning the camera on saw the tiki in the background and thought that he would make an awesome boss.
Not liking it says nothing about you, but if you don't try it you will be missing out on something much more than just a platformer, which I think you are under the assumption this is.
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And I don't know if anyone saw it but I listed all the DLC available today in the DLC thread.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=3214486&postcount=16
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I've already been down the level create road to, I made 2 seperate series on Timesplitters Future Perfect on PS2 and had one of them ( a 5 part series ) hold 4 of the top 10 highest rated spots for months on end. Of course the amount of things I could do were vastly limited, which forced me to think outside the box. Both were spoofs of different series, Star Wars (which I named Time Wars and used a baseball bat for a light saber), and Splinter Cell (named Splitter Cell which was the higher rated of the 2).
All the little features which everyone tells me makes LBP so great, are all the things I just don't care about. I don't want to spend hours creating things, I'm no artist anymore and have lost the motive to create. Now someone will point out you can play from thousands of user created levels, but why would I want to when the core details remain the same. I did say I would try this when I can get it cheap (full time student + no job currently, go figure), and I will.
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As I was saying, I don't think LBP is bad or boring or anything like that, I accept this is a fantastic title, I already said I would enjoy this but not for as long as I have other games. If I was made of money, this would be different, but being so poorly funded I can't afford lots of games which means I purchased ones that will be getting at least triple digit hour figures before I'm even close to doing all I want to do. This in turn changed my view on games, leaning towards the GT over NFS, GTAIV over GTA San Andreas, the sim over arcade, the dead serious FPS over the lighthearted platformer. There have been exceptions to this, but generally I enjoy the latter of each of those for some time, sometimes a fair while but in the end I go crawling back to GT5P, MGS and COD usually because they are just more in depth in there categories because of the nature of them (GTA may be an exception but because my whole view has shifted, I'd still take IV over San Andreas in HD).
LBP to me evolves the genre massively, it makes it lean more my way in it's depth and longevity, but not all the way just yet as the core details remain the same. You will always be running, jumping and perhaps using the odd weapon or device to remove enemies from your path, but the focus is always 'get from here, to here, and collect as much of these as you can or do it in X time'.
If this was different, then it's very different to a platformer in my eyes but no-one has pointed what is different in it's core, that should attract me away from my shooters and driving SIMs.
The odd outsider makes it into my cabinet, if I was going to get a platformer, and some day I will, there is no doubt in my mind it will be this. It still won't make the top of my list currently though whilst money remains tight.
All the little features which everyone tells me makes LBP so great, are all the things I just don't care about. I don't want to spend hours creating things, I'm no artist anymore and have lost the motive to create. Now someone will point out you can play from thousands of user created levels, but why would I want to when the core details remain the same. I did say I would try this when I can get it cheap (full time student + no job currently, go figure), and I will.
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As I was saying, I don't think LBP is bad or boring or anything like that, I accept this is a fantastic title, I already said I would enjoy this but not for as long as I have other games. If I was made of money, this would be different, but being so poorly funded I can't afford lots of games which means I purchased ones that will be getting at least triple digit hour figures before I'm even close to doing all I want to do. This in turn changed my view on games, leaning towards the GT over NFS, GTAIV over GTA San Andreas, the sim over arcade, the dead serious FPS over the lighthearted platformer. There have been exceptions to this, but generally I enjoy the latter of each of those for some time, sometimes a fair while but in the end I go crawling back to GT5P, MGS and COD usually because they are just more in depth in there categories because of the nature of them (GTA may be an exception but because my whole view has shifted, I'd still take IV over San Andreas in HD).
LBP to me evolves the genre massively, it makes it lean more my way in it's depth and longevity, but not all the way just yet as the core details remain the same. You will always be running, jumping and perhaps using the odd weapon or device to remove enemies from your path, but the focus is always 'get from here, to here, and collect as much of these as you can or do it in X time'.
If this was different, then it's very different to a platformer in my eyes but no-one has pointed what is different in it's core, that should attract me away from my shooters and driving SIMs.
The odd outsider makes it into my cabinet, if I was going to get a platformer, and some day I will, there is no doubt in my mind it will be this. It still won't make the top of my list currently though whilst money remains tight.
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Presentation =/= hardcore.
Running through MGS4 on the hardest setting does not mean you are "hardcore". It means you are good with repetition and memorization, you know how to get through an area without being seen, but that is not "hardcore". I consider crafting a level from scratch and using these tools that they give you FAR MORE "hardcore" than simply going through a game and using trial and error until you finish it on the "hardest" setting.
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How do you win an F1 race? Do you not learn the track, memorise the lines and repeat it for a couple of hours? Yes, yes you do. I was only on my 3rd time through MGS when I went onto the hardest settings, I hadn't played an MGS in a while, so started on normal and jumped up one rung on the ladder each time. Then proceeded to go chase every easter egg and minute detail it had to offer me, whilst spending time online as well.
To me hardcore is settings yourself the most difficult challenge you can achieve, and going out there and chasing your goal. This can be creating a level, or doing a game on the hardest setting in various ways. The latter is how I personally see myself, you do not but I accept you may be just as hardcore in your own way, rather then accusing you of thinking or claiming you or LBP in itself is something it is not. Have I said LBP is a platformer and nothing more? No, have I said it is a platformer at it's core? Yes but please correct me if I'm wrong.
We all have differing opinions and that is fine, but there was no need to make any personal statement towards me. Admittedly my wording wasn't great (I'm not a language student !
) and I'm sorry if it came across the wrong way, which is why I asked if I was making sense a few posts back, and got the reply that I was.
To me hardcore is settings yourself the most difficult challenge you can achieve, and going out there and chasing your goal. This can be creating a level, or doing a game on the hardest setting in various ways. The latter is how I personally see myself, you do not but I accept you may be just as hardcore in your own way, rather then accusing you of thinking or claiming you or LBP in itself is something it is not. Have I said LBP is a platformer and nothing more? No, have I said it is a platformer at it's core? Yes but please correct me if I'm wrong.
We all have differing opinions and that is fine, but there was no need to make any personal statement towards me. Admittedly my wording wasn't great (I'm not a language student !
) and I'm sorry if it came across the wrong way, which is why I asked if I was making sense a few posts back, and got the reply that I was.
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LBP is definitely a casual game.
However, with the depth of the level creation, it should easily attract "hardcore" gamers.
However, with the depth of the level creation, it should easily attract "hardcore" gamers.
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- FoolKiller1979
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Hm... This battle is unwinable. You can't force the man into loving the game as much as you do... haha
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Enemies will never be as hardcore as in Megaman. This game is only challenging as an obstacle course.
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Rented it, but didn't like it. I thought it was a "User's Designable Mario Bro's 'Search-for-hidden-items'" kind of game. I thought it was boring, too. Never did care for searching for hidden items, so back it went.
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Indeed it is:
However, while those are indeed fun to play, one of the things that also sets LBP apart from a lot of games is that it can also be a very intricate and advanced puzzle game that can include riddles, code breaking, problem solving, etc. Which is a refreshing break from your typical mind numbing FPS shooters. 👍
Here is a very basic level that hints at what is possible and while not advanced or difficult as some of the other LBP puzzle style levels, it does emphasis problem solving over just timing your jumps and grabs:
Speaking of cleverly designed LBP levels, one of the things I really enjoy is seeing and using some of the exceptionally well designed vehicles and machinery that people are coming up with. For instance, check out this Motorcycle inspired by Kaneda's Bike from the story/film Akira:
Simply amazing!
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So it appears there are a lot of people who think "hardcore" means gore guns and boobs.
Shame.
Shame.
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- FoolKiller1979
Well, it is hard to argue with the boobs part.
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- Dragonistic
You simply don't get it so I won't try to explain it, especially with arrogant comments like this. I'll migrate this thread from now on.
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No, please do. Explain to me why MGS4 is more hardcore than LittleBigPlanet.
Super Mario Brothers on SNES can be turned "hardcore" if you try to do speed runs.
PuzzleFighter can be turned hardcore if you try to play it on the hardest difficulty without loosing a round.
Tetris can be "hardcore" if you try to survive into the levels past 100.
Mario Kart can be "hardcore" if you start doing time trials.
"Hardcore" is a stupid word, and honestly, the fact that you even bring it up in reference to any specific game or genre is mind numbing. Period. Hardcore is a playing habit, not a genre of game. This is why you are wrong.
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I have said time and time and time and time.. again that to me (< keyword) it isn't, I accept fully that all the above you stated are ways to be hardcore in these types of game I don't deny that and again obviously my wording was poor (I did apolagise for this already). Any game can be taken to it's limit and every game has it's own hardcore players, be it COD4, Mario, LBP, GT5P etc. I wouldn't be able to take a speed run on Mario as seriously as the same on say COD4 for example this time, because the atmosphere is completely different. Some people can and very obviously do but there's is usually a divide between die hard realistic game players and arcade game players as particularly evident in the racing games.
You can be a hardcore NFS player or a hardcore GT player. I personally wouldn't be able to treat NFS as a hardcore game though because of it's nature, I fully accept that it is taken in such manner but I just couldn't.
I don't deny ther seriousness involved in treating any game as hardcore, just because I don't doesn't mean I dont think they are just as hardcore (or more so) then I am. You seem to automatically assume that because I wouldn't play LBP for hundreds of hours and I would and have COD4, MGS etc. that I would disregard someone who did put in that amount of time on LBP. That is just plain wrong and I do not believe that for one minute.
You can be a hardcore NFS player or a hardcore GT player. I personally wouldn't be able to treat NFS as a hardcore game though because of it's nature, I fully accept that it is taken in such manner but I just couldn't.
I don't deny ther seriousness involved in treating any game as hardcore, just because I don't doesn't mean I dont think they are just as hardcore (or more so) then I am. You seem to automatically assume that because I wouldn't play LBP for hundreds of hours and I would and have COD4, MGS etc. that I would disregard someone who did put in that amount of time on LBP. That is just plain wrong and I do not believe that for one minute.
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So then you agree, "hardcore" is a mindset, and has nothing to do with an individual game.
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I guess the phrase I was striving for really is - it's not the game, it's how you play it that defines hardcore in this respect.
I just wouldn't be sticking in the hours onto this and it would be a casual game to my collection, which isn't what I'm looking for. It might be the game someone else takes most seriously, just not me.
I just wouldn't be sticking in the hours onto this and it would be a casual game to my collection, which isn't what I'm looking for. It might be the game someone else takes most seriously, just not me.
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For those that do enjoy playing a lot of LBP or any game for that matter, and especially for those who play with family and friends on the same system, I have a tip regarding charging the controllers.
In the past, keeping the controllers charged has never been an issue. Not only do they charge very quickly, but most of the time we are only using one or two controllers at a time, so we always have at least two controllers full charged at any given time.
Well, the popularity of LBP with our family and friends has changed that. LBP is the first time really where we have consistently been playing together using all four controllers for long extended periods of time.
In addition, we use the USB slots on the PS3 for external hard drives, PS Eye, and other things. And of course if you turn off the PS3, you can't charge the controllers.
So what we have been doing is once in a while after we stop playing and when the controllers are low of juice we plug in all the controllers into our PC and laptop USB ports. This way they get re-charged without having to keep the PS3 on, or using up all four USB slots. As far as cable, we use the one that came with the PS3 as well as ones we already have for other electronic devices, like our portable GPS and mobile phones. The new PlayStation BT headset also comes with the same USB cable, so if you have that you can use it as well.
If you don't have extra USB cables that have the same type of connecter, you can order them online for under $5.
Anyway, just thought I'd mention it for those "hardcore" gamers who drain their controllers and want to charge them without necessarily needing the PS3to do it, or being limited by the number of available USB slots.
In the past, keeping the controllers charged has never been an issue. Not only do they charge very quickly, but most of the time we are only using one or two controllers at a time, so we always have at least two controllers full charged at any given time.
Well, the popularity of LBP with our family and friends has changed that. LBP is the first time really where we have consistently been playing together using all four controllers for long extended periods of time.
In addition, we use the USB slots on the PS3 for external hard drives, PS Eye, and other things. And of course if you turn off the PS3, you can't charge the controllers.
So what we have been doing is once in a while after we stop playing and when the controllers are low of juice we plug in all the controllers into our PC and laptop USB ports. This way they get re-charged without having to keep the PS3 on, or using up all four USB slots. As far as cable, we use the one that came with the PS3 as well as ones we already have for other electronic devices, like our portable GPS and mobile phones. The new PlayStation BT headset also comes with the same USB cable, so if you have that you can use it as well.
If you don't have extra USB cables that have the same type of connecter, you can order them online for under $5.
Anyway, just thought I'd mention it for those "hardcore" gamers who drain their controllers and want to charge them without necessarily needing the PS3to do it, or being limited by the number of available USB slots.
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As a person that usually goes "hardcore" on games - such as completeing Super Metroid in under 50 minutes (try it), working on a play through of Ninja Gaiden Sigma on Very hard at the moment, power leveling and extreme character builds in Diablo II, putting in considerable time lapping in GT games, owning at Unreal Tournament, playing Tetris or Columns through level 200 - I can say something on this.
You sound like you simply refuse to play other games because you have it in your head that it isn't "mature" enough or "intense" enough to be "hardcore." I've known several gamers with this mentality, and generally once I convince them to sit down and try a game such as this, they end up liking it. LBP has more than just well timed jumps, and can lend itself quite easily to speed runs, item collection, sequence breaking in levels, and so on. Most of these elements are part of going "hardcore" on game.
And I think a large part of why people went off on you on this has to do with attitude. You effectively popped in, declared the game not "hardcore" and then went off about it not being "grown up enough" or serious enough. More or less, you sounded a lot like the CoD, Halo, or such touting "bro" that doesn't want to look "un-cool" to some mysterious, judgmental body out there.
The fact of the matter is you are judging a book by its cover...
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Never mind, I didnt mean it like that but I obviously can't explain it properly as I'm not the brightest of sparks, forget I said anything.
At all.
At all.
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Right, this is pretty much what I've been saying all along
LittleBigPlanet is the type of game that will give back as much as you put into it. I think it's the tone that turns you off more than anything else. It isn't aiming for your demographic by default (a guy who's into shooters, etc). I can understand that. But the game itself is very capable of being hardcore.
IMO anything with scores or time limits is capable of "hardcore" play.
Digital Nitrate - I bought a controller charger, it can charge up to 4 controllers at once, it works (and looks) great.
http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=63660
I use it to charge 2 controllers and my Official Headset
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Hey - we juat bought this game Friday night, and we're working our way through it. We haven't quite finished the level where you have to rescue Uncle Jalapeno from jail, but we must be getting close. We averaging anywhere from 60% to 80% of the items, but we're concentrating on unlocking new levels.
One question - using our main PSN account, my wife DLed some free items. How do we get those transferred into the profiles that have characters?
One question - using our main PSN account, my wife DLed some free items. How do we get those transferred into the profiles that have characters?
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I'm starting to go back and hunt down all the missing bubble prizes in order to reach 100% and unlock additional costume items and level objects, so if you are interested, let me know and I can run through some levels with you to show you where I found them.
The nice thing about multi-player is that no matter who actually pops a bubble, everyone get's the prize added to their collection and to their completion percentage. 👍
As it is with all games and DLC content, no matter what profile you use to download it, whether it be free or not, all user accounts on that PS3 have access to them.
In the case of the costumes in LBP, you'll find the individual items that make up each costume in the different pages and categories within the Costume PopIt menu.
Keep in mind, if you download DLC items from a PSN store in a region that your game is not from, then none of your accounts will have access to it. For instance, if you went to the UK PSN store and downloaded the free costume pack for LBP, but own the NA version of LBP, then you won't find the DLC costume items in your PopIt menu.
