Little Duckpond Under The Mountain.

[Thorin Cain]

Tested some gt500, SEEMS(because Im Not 100% sure) that The camber update didnt affect Most of Race Cars, but since Most of races with gt500 i did were in Monza, gonna test them here, wide turns Will give me the answer 👍

I look forward to hearing what you discover.👍

But a little food for thought...

The effects are a little harder to notice on the race cars I have tested so far. I started with the GT300 RX-7 and Garaiya and didn't notice as much of a change as I did with the road cars. I think this maybe due to the extra downforce that the race cars have.💡 For every 100 units of downforce that is on the car when your speed is above 80 MPH or so it effectively adds that amount of Kg's to the car. So for example the RE Amemaiya RX-7 weighs 1100 Kg and has downforce set to 350/350 which means that in high speed situations Between 80-120 Mphthe actual pressure on the springs is between 1100 kg and 1800 kg or to put it another way, the downforce added upto 700 Kgs to the weight of the car while the aerodynamic effect was in play. This is masking the differences due to the change. It is good to know though. It means that the race cars will not need the urgent attention that the road cars do. If this is the case that is.

Thanks again.for your time and input Claus I really appreciate it.

 

[Thorin Cain]

This car is just a MONSTER I tested it this afternoon (with the new physics update) and it obliterated all my other 550pp cars on the Green Hell, it was over 5 seconds a lap faster then my n2 car and the only one to do it below 6.30 (6.27) this car needs no re-work imo it's freakin AWESOME!!!

Many thanks my friend.

I was kind of hoping that might be the case with most of the recent tunes that I did include some camber in. I did these that way because of some of the testing I had done and the benefits in driving feel more than anything else. But they were tuned from the ground up with camber in the equation so I was wondering how they would fair. I am glad that this one worked out so well for you. @romynovanda has had some great success with it at SSR5 as you can see from the pics he uploaded. For reference, his 1:13.5xx time is faster than anything I have seen around there by around a second. But in my wildest dreams I didn't expect it to do so well on The Ring"

More good news

 

[Breno Ok]

What excelent job dude! Your tunes are great and the X-BOW Street '12 one is nothing but astonishingly nice. I had such a great fun on beating McLaren F1 at Suzuka in the Expert Class NRC seasonal event.
Thanks for sharing and keep on!

 

[Thorin Cain]

What excelent job dude! Your tunes are great and the X-BOW Street '12 one is nothing but astonishingly nice. I had such a great fun on beating McLaren F1 at Suzuka in the Expert Class NRC seasonal event.
Thanks for sharing and keep on!

Many thanks Breno
I hadn't even thought to use that for the seasonal races, been having too much fun in the NSX'02. I am glad you like it, it's just so much fun to throw around the twisty stuff.

 

[clauscravic]

i tested the hsv and made a video of a lap ,cien too.
Cien(max aero with my tweaks to the rear spring and accel lsd,0 camber both sides)

HSV(no camber both sides)

 

[Thorin Cain]

They don't look that bad at all! The CIEN lap was nice, just off the 1:29s too:tup:
And the HSV looked superb. I am actually using the CIEN now to see if it can be improved any with camber and also running it full spec at Monza. You obviously know the track better than I do and those vids showed super smooth lines and what looks like later braking points than I am using. If you can keep that sort of consistency you may do just fine without camber here. It really all depends on how much better the competition gets if they start to use it.

 

[clauscravic]

They don't look that bad at all! The CIEN lap was nice, just off the 1:29s too:tup:
And the HSV looked superb. I am actually using the CIEN now to see if it can be improved any with camber and also running it full spec at Monza. You obviously know the track better than I do and those vids showed super smooth lines and what looks like later braking points than I am using. If you can keep that sort of consistency you may do just fine without camber here. It really all depends on how much better the competition gets if they start to use it.

remember that my cien has full aero:tup: the only problem is when you exit the turn,now you must wait to have an almost straight line before accelerating and in the wide turns like the first after the chicanes and the parabolica you must stop accelerating for a while or you will end up in the gravel, before the camber update you were able to do those turns in full throttle.
i also tried to add a little camber but is even worse than 0, maybe because i have to edit other suspension params too, thing that i just cant do, i can only tune the lsd .
btw now i will test the fxx and the zonda, i bet that now they are perfect combine harvesters for the monza's grass

 

[Thorin Cain]

remember that my cien has full aero:tup: the only problem is when you exit the turn,now you must wait to have an almost straight line before accelerating and in the wide turns like the first after the chicanes and the parabolica you must stop accelerating for a while or you will end up in the gravel, before the camber update you were able to do those turns in full throttle.
i also tried to add a little camber but is even worse than 0, maybe because i have to edit other suspension params too, thing that i just cant do, i can only tune the lsd .
btw now i will test the fxx and the zonda, i bet that now they are perfect combine harvesters for the monza's grass

I gave a little try to your settings and they did help lot with the stability in braking zones:tup: And yeah, I found the same thing in the longer corners (Curva Grande and Parabolica) I just can't keep on the gas either.

Adding camber alone will make a difference but it needs a lot of trial and error to find the right amount that will help and even then really the suspension does need a bit of work in other areas to get the best out of using any camber. I am 100% sure that when the right balance is found, that a good set-up with camber worked in with the rest of the suspension and LSD settings will give much better results in lap-times.

I have changed the suspension a little and was in the middle of looking at the LSD but I had to go out and won't be able to get back to my PS until tomorrow after work now.
I have camber sitting at 1.9/2.0 toe at -0.12/0.06 and have changed the LSD Accel to 18 so far and It feels ok to me but I still need to increase the LSD initial to suit the new Accel figure. These are all with your change to the rear spring. You can give them a try if you want but I think you might still be better off with the 0/0 camber settings at the moment. You can also try increasing the rear Damper compression a little or dropping the rear toe angle to try and get better lines through the long corners if you want to stick with the old one for now. It might let you stay on the throttle for a bit longer. but don't go too far or you run the risk of loosing the rear under acceleration comimng out of the slower corners.

 

[clauscravic]

I gave a little try to your settings and they did help lot with the stability in braking zones:tup: And yeah, I found the same thing in the longer corners (Curva Grande and Parabolica) I just can't keep on the gas either.

Adding camber alone will make a difference but it needs a lot of trial and error to find the right amount that will help and even then really the suspension does need a bit of work in other areas to get the best out of using any camber. I am 100% sure that when the right balance is found, that a good set-up with camber worked in with the rest of the suspension and LSD settings will give much better results in lap-times.

I have changed the suspension a little and was in the middle of looking at the LSD but I had to go out and won't be able to get back to my PS until tomorrow after work now.
I have camber sitting at 1.9/2.0 toe at -0.12/0.06 and have changed the LSD Accel to 18 so far and It feels ok to me but I still need to increase the LSD initial to suit the new Accel figure. These are all with your change to the rear spring. You can give them a try if you want but I think you might still be better off with the 0/0 camber settings at the moment. You can also try increasing the rear Damper compression a little or dropping the rear toe angle to try and get better lines through the long corners if you want to stick with the old one for now. It might let you stay on the throttle for a bit longer. but don't go too far or you run the risk of loosing the rear under acceleration comimng out of the slower corners.

will give a try later:tup:
BTW, just tested the fxx...

After the lap i was just... "holy fu**ing s**t", and that was my first attempt .
I'm 100% sure that without any mistakes i can run under 1.28
Zonda

so, those 2 cars just dont need to be updated, maybe the zonda to let her run a little faster, but those 2 just didnt feel the camber update
UPDATE:
Ok, i tested the cien with your corrections.
I still think that the cien is and will always be fast with camber at 0, at least for me when driving a cien with the camber i feel like in a truck,other settings you changed made her turn better in the lesmos, but for now i stay in my original max aero

 

[Thorin Cain]

will give a try later:tup:
BTW, just tested the fxx...

After the lap i was just... "holy fu**ing s**t", and that was my first attempt .
I'm 100% sure that without any mistakes i can run under 1.28
Zonda

so, those 2 cars just dont need to be updated, maybe the zonda to let her run a little faster, but those 2 just didnt feel the camber update

UPDATE:
Ok, i tested the cien with your corrections.
I still think that the cien is and will always be fast with camber at 0, at least for me when driving a cien with the camber i feel like in a truck,other settings you changed made her turn better in the lesmos, but for now i stay in my original max aero

You took the words right out of my mouth! That FXX lap was Beast!!! Was that not the one that didn't like Monza before?

And the Zonda lap looked great too. Did you try the CIEN corrections with MAX aero too? I forgot to mention that before. But you look to be right, it is early and I've not quite got my head around the camber yet but it is looking as though these tunes really don't need to be worried about, at least for Monza but I have a feeling that, like real life, some tracks won't really need a great deal of camber but some of the others will, Laguna Seca for example.

In the camber thread the discussion at the moment is that it is looking a lot like the camber is not the same across the board and that a more individually tailored set up may well be needed at least for each track type. If not for each specific track/car combo. Which makes things really interesting. Only bad thing about that is, if I want a general set up to work on a lot of track types, I'm going to have to start tuning on The Ring...and I don't fancy that much lol.

Thanks once again for doing these tests and posting up the vids. They have been very informative and will be very useful.

Top man

 

[clauscravic]

You took the words right out of my mouth! That FXX lap was Beast!!! Was that not the one that didn't like Monza before?

And the Zonda lap looked great too. Did you try the CIEN corrections with MAX aero too? I forgot to mention that before. But you look to be right, it is early and I've not quite got my head around the camber yet but it is looking as though these tunes really don't need to be worried about, at least for Monza but I have a feeling that, like real life, some tracks won't really need a great deal of camber but some of the others will, Laguna Seca for example.

In the camber thread the discussion at the moment is that it is looking a lot like the camber is not the same across the board and that a more individually tailored set up may well be needed at least for each track type. If not for each specific track/car combo. Which makes things really interesting. Only bad thing about that is, if I want a general set up to work on a lot of track types, I'm going to have to start tuning on The Ring...and I don't fancy that much lol.

Thanks once again for doing these tests and posting up the vids. They have been very informative and will be very useful.

Top man

I was shocked about the fxx, it's the original tune u posted, too good to be real, in fact after the lap with the zonda, i went to the garage to switch again to fxx to try to run under 1.28 and when i took a look to her pp...658🤬🤬.
So i went back to monza, power limiter for 650pp... 1.31.
So:idea:, lsd 12/12/24,brakes 7/9, 89kg -50 ballast and 950hp(from the normal 1064kg and 860hp)...low 1.29 .

Talking about tuning in nurburgring, why not, i got some cars with tune of praiano(even the walls know that he tune in the ring) and they're very good in many tracks, monza too:tup:

 

[Thorin Cain]

I was shocked about the fxx, it's the original tune u posted, too good to be real, in fact after the lap with the zonda, i went to the garage to switch again to fxx to try to run under 1.28 and when i took a look to her pp...658🤬🤬.
So i went back to monza, power limiter for 650pp... 1.31.
So:idea:, lsd 12/12/24,brakes 7/9, 89kg -50 ballast and 950hp(from the normal 1064kg and 860hp)...low 1.29 .

Talking about tuning in nurburgring, why not, i got some cars with tune of praiano(even the walls know that he tune in the ring) and they're very good in many tracks, monza too:tup:

Doh! It happens. but nice adjustmensts there to knock off 2 seconds:tup:

I know Praiano tunes at The Ring and it does make a lot of sense as it has just about every type of corner imaginable and his tunes are superb! But I just don't know it anywhere near enough to use it as a reliable test track. For me, I have to concentrate too much on the track and that does not allow me to focus on what the car is doing and how it can be helped.
There are a lot of the GP tracks as well as the Original tracks that I know well enough that muscle memory gets me round in consistent times so I can pay more attention to the behaviour of the car and that's very important.

I like the odd drive around there but testing there for me is just impractical.

 

[clauscravic]

*2.5 seconds

 

[Thorin Cain]

*2.5 seconds

Outstanding! Very nicely done indeed.

You can be sure I'll be trying them out.

 

[clauscravic]

Outstanding! Very nicely done indeed.

You can be sure I'll be trying them out.

all this mess with ballast,lsd and brakes is just to have extra power to let the car have the same accelleration of the 658pp engine limit without being slower in corners and without earlier braking, and seems that in online lobby the car goes a little bit faster in accelleration and corners than offline freeride...maybe its the same system of gt5 off-online or you know that you can push more the car to his limit because in freeride you will not take 74 years of penality for a 3 cm cut in the roggia

 

[Thorin Cain]

all this mess with ballast,lsd and brakes is just to have extra power to let the car have the same accelleration of the 658pp engine limit without being slower in corners and without earlier braking, and seems that in online lobby the car goes a little bit faster in accelleration and corners than offline freeride...maybe its the same system of gt5 off-online or you know that you can push more the car to his limit because in freeride you will not take 74 years of penality for a 3 cm cut in the roggia

Mess, what mess? All I can see with the changes are a more responsive throttle, increased traction on the drive wheels and a better ability to use trail braking whilst keeping more weight at the rear of the car to allow the front end to be able to turn better as there is less weight being transferred onto the front tyres. Oh and MORE POWER!

Which thinking about it now makes quite a bit of sense based on how most MRs I've tried in the past couple of days are behaving. There have been a couple that I have used a front brake bias which now work better after reversing the bias. It worked really well on the F430 too.

There is a difference between online and offline physics. It is impossible to roll a car online for instance. They did go up on two wheels easily online before the update but I've not made a big enough mistake to cause it since. That's why we like to tune online, it makes sense to us to do it as we know that is where most of our tunes will be used as intended(On RS Tyres). There may not be a huge difference but it's another vatiable that we prefer to take out of the equation.
You have given me a lot to think about with these tests. But It's bedtime for me so I'll have to try and dream up some ideas and try out some more adjustments tomorrow to see how they go, I have a few ideas already and I can't wait to see how they work out.

Cheers once again, you have been a huge help

 

[clauscravic]

Well this "mess" gave me the fastest 650pp car of My garage.
Last time i used the fxx the max i Was able to do Was 1.34.
I will have some fun beating zz2's a**es

 

[Thorin Cain]

I'm really happy for you. I'll try your little tweaks on mine later and see if I can use it as well as you can. As I said last night, I don't see a mess at all those changes make good sense to me the only thing I would not have normally done would be to use the ballast, I would have changed the springs to re-balance the car but it allows a lot more power and the change in balance, so all I can say to that is

I really should start to experiment more when aiming for pp levels. I normally just do a full weight reduction then worry about the power part. It is my main weakness when it comes to tuning. I have used ballast in some of them to change the weight dist. but not in quite a while. Another fine idea you've given me

 

[clauscravic]

I'm really happy for you. I'll try your little tweaks on mine later and see if I can use it as well as you can. As I said last night, I don't see a mess at all those changes make good sense to me the only thing I would not have normally done would be to use the ballast, I would have changed the springs to re-balance the car but it allows a lot more power and the change in balance, so all I can say to that is

I really should start to experiment more when aiming for pp levels. I normally just do a full weight reduction then worry about the power part. It is my main weakness when it comes to tuning. I have used ballast in some of them to change the weight dist. but not in quite a while. Another fine idea you've given me

i HATE ballast, but i decided to put it on the car because those 80-100 hp are necessary to be competitive:
without ballast and just engine limited at the finish line you reach 330, with ballast and the extra power 340 and for this pp and for this track, 10km quicker than other fxx is like being god.
And btw, that ballast its like fxx + driver(btw i want to know that if you go in the track the driver's weight will be added or not ), and now the car's weight its almost 50-50, i think now its 49-51

Enzo engine + race car body = god.

Italian cars wins again at home: dino at 500pp, miura at 550pp, 458-430 at 600pp, enzo at 630pp and fxx at 650pp, all this fxx needs now its his original sound, not the 3hp vaccum cleaner one


PS: use racing exhaust, not sport or semi racing

 

[Thorin Cain]

i HATE ballast, but i decided to put it on the car because those 80-100 hp are necessary to be competitive:
without ballast and just engine limited at the finish line you reach 330, with ballast and the extra power 340 and for this pp and for this track, 10km quicker than other fxx is like being god.
And btw, that ballast its like fxx + driver(btw i want to know that if you go in the track the driver's weight will be added or not ), and now the car's weight its almost 50-50, i think now its 49-51

Enzo engine + race car body = god.

Italian cars wins again at home: dino at 500pp, miura at 550pp, 458-430 at 600pp, enzo at 630pp and fxx at 650pp, all this fxx needs now its his original sound, not the 3hp vaccum cleaner one


PS: use racing exhaust, not sport or semi racing

First I have to say! 1.04 in to that vid I melted. From Ascari all the way down to Parabolica....mmmmm! The only sound better was the first blip of the throttle in the pit garage at the start that sounded so sweet in there. Much, much, much better than the game sound.(3hp Vaccum cleaner one)

Viva Italia! Viva la Ferrari!




I am of the same mind. I regularly race with a couple of guys that I know run the full 200kgs in every car and use it to get as much power as possible for the pp, slide the thing all over the place in the corners so you have no chance to get past then blast down the straight to start the whole pantomime all over again. The only way they lose half the races is that they spin...alot
So just on principle I like to stay away from using it as much as possible. However...

I found it really handy to begin with when I started tuning to get the cars to behave better. But the more I learned the less I used it and the more I started to concentrate on trying to achieve the same results with the springs. It is a very useful tool if used correctly though and I probably should use it a bit more often as it does have that little added benefit of a power advantage too and sometimes the spring adjustments alone may not be enough. Praiano, Ridox and a good few others use it really well. And Dirty Duck believes it was the key to his 458 tune. He used it to kind of act in place of the unavailability of extra front downforce adjustments on the car, as he felt the front was too light up front at speed over some of the crests. But no other change he tried would help anywhere near as much.

I'm not to sure about the drivers weight being a factor. But I am fairly certain the fuel load is, there is a really easy way to test this theory but I just haven't been to bothered about it. The career races were easy enough and I mostly race in Sprint rooms(about 10 mins average) with fuel and wear off, as I suspect most of the guys and girls that use our tunes.....But I do miss my endurance races

Oh, yeah...

Enzo engine + race car body = god.

 

[clauscravic]

First I have to say! 1.04 in to that vid I melted. From Ascari all the way down to Parabolica....mmmmm! The only sound better was the first blip of the throttle in the pit garage at the start that sounded so sweet in there. Much, much, much better than the game sound.(3hp Vaccum cleaner one)

Viva Italia! Viva la Ferrari!




I am of the same mind. I regularly race with a couple of guys that I know run the full 200kgs in every car and use it to get as much power as possible for the pp, slide the thing all over the place in the corners so you have no chance to get past then blast down the straight to start the whole pantomime all over again. The only way they lose half the races is that they spin...alot
So just on principle I like to stay away from using it as much as possible. However...

I found it really handy to begin with when I started tuning to get the cars to behave better. But the more I learned the less I used it and the more I started to concentrate on trying to achieve the same results with the springs. It is a very useful tool if used correctly though and I probably should use it a bit more often as it does have that little added benefit of a power advantage too and sometimes the spring adjustments alone may not be enough. Praiano, Ridox and a good few others use it really well. And Dirty Duck believes it was the key to his 458 tune. He used it to kind of act in place of the unavailability of extra front downforce adjustments on the car, as he felt the front was too light up front at speed over some of the crests. But no other change he tried would help anywhere near as much.

I'm not to sure about the drivers weight being a factor. But I am fairly certain the fuel load is, there is a really easy way to test this theory but I just haven't been to bothered about it. The career races were easy enough and I mostly race in Sprint rooms(about 10 mins average) with fuel and wear off, as I suspect most of the guys and girls that use our tunes.....But I do miss my endurance races

Oh, yeah...

200kg in every car? if the engine is almost full power like just 5-6 pp from the max , 200kg are too much! btw depends which pp you're running too, because one thing is using 500-600 pp cars which lose 20-40 hp for 10pp, another is 620-650pp ones which lose 100hp for 8pp
the spin its a bit annoying, exiting from rettifilo and roggia if you accellerate too much early the tires will smoke a lot, depends on how much tcs are you using, i dont use it with fxx and cien because the tcs nearly doubles the 70-160 time.
Fuel as a weight factor? sounds plausible but in the endurance races i did in monza after a tire change with half fuel i never felt faster

 

[Thorin Cain]

200kg in every car? if the engine is almost full power like just 5-6 pp from the max , 200kg are too much! btw depends which pp you're running too, because one thing is using 500-600 pp cars which lose 20-40 hp for 10pp, another is 620-650pp ones which lose 100hp for 8pp
the spin its a bit annoying, exiting from rettifilo and roggia if you accellerate too much early the tires will smoke a lot, depends on how much tcs are you using, i dont use it with fxx and cien because the tcs nearly doubles the 70-160 time.
Fuel as a weight factor? sounds plausible but in the endurance races i did in monza after a tire change with half fuel i never felt faster

Yeah, 200kgs=rediculous.

I found the the difference in some of them but it felt more like the tyres didn't get the same grip if you started with half the fuel. But that was a while ago and we've had many an update since then.

 

[clauscravic]

ok confirmed that the hsv doesnt need rework, won a 10laps 600pp race on RedBull ring, i didnt even need to make a pit

Had to make a screenshot of the img because idk why i cant upload the original img

 

[Thorin Cain]

ok confirmed that the hsv doesnt need rework, won a 10laps 600pp race on RedBull ring, i didnt even need to make a pit

Had to make a screenshot of the img because idk why i cant upload the original img

How very odd! Thanks for sharing. Excellent work my friend!
I had a little play around with this offline the other day at a friends house. I have my tunes on most of his cars too. He drives too safe for my liking

I used it for the GT500 career races, and with hard tyres on it was quite nice with 1.5/0.5 on the hard tyres round Mount Panorama. I had a few races with it last night with the softs on and it was doing the trick around the 2.0/1.0 mark but I still need more changes to get it to work as well as it did before with any camber on it.But I find it is still quite nice and plenty fast around most of the tracks still with the original tune too.

I'm really liking that track too. Very nice location and some great corners. Not had a lot of time there though but I can see it joining my test track list when I get to know it. So much variety and so much fun.

Cheers again Claus

 

[clauscravic]

How very odd! Thanks for sharing. Excellent work my friend!
I had a little play around with this offline the other day at a friends house. I have my tunes on most of his cars too. He drives too safe for my liking

I used it for the GT500 career races, and with hard tyres on it was quite nice with 1.5/0.5 on the hard tyres round Mount Panorama. I had a few races with it last night with the softs on and it was doing the trick around the 2.0/1.0 mark but I still need more changes to get it to work as well as it did before with any camber on it.But I find it is still quite nice and plenty fast around most of the tracks still with the original tune too.

I'm really liking that track too. Very nice location and some great corners. Not had a lot of time there though but I can see it joining my test track list when I get to know it. So much variety and so much fun.

Cheers again Claus

i would not use it as a test track.
at least for me the redbull ring seems not affected from the camber update because there you always do perfect corners and awesome laps but when you switch to another track like monza/nurburgring/whateveryouwant in most corners you end up straight to the guardrail, just 5 mins ago i finished a 619pp race on nurburgring with the hsv and on some highspeed corners even after braking i ended up straight in the grass, but i won by 5 seconds cause the 2 noobs in front of me crashed in the final corners after the long straight bumping each other

 

[Badger66]

Autobacs Garaiya GT300 Base Model '08 (V.2)
View attachment 111996
Specifications:
Performance Points: 545pp
Max. power: 432BHP
Weight: 1175kg
Weight Distribution: 46:54
Drivetrain: MR


Parts Fitted:
Oil change
Engine tuning Stage 3
Racing Tyres Hard-Soft

The tune:

Suspension settings:
Ride Height: 70/75
Spring Rate: 15.50/14.50
Dampers(Compression): 5/6
Dampers(Extension): 6/6
Anti-Roll Bars: 4/4
Camber: 0.0/0.0
Toe Angle: -0.06/0.02
Brake Balance: 7/7

Drivetrain:
Initial Torque: 8
Acceleration Sensitivity: 11
Braking Sensitivity: 16

Power:
Power Limiter: 100%

Body:
Aerodynamics: 350/600
Ballast Amount: N/A
Ballast Position: N/A

Transmission:
Set Final Gear@: 5.000
Set top Speed @: 112MPH/180Km/H
Set Individual ratios to:
1: 3.766
2: 2.752
3: 2.112
4: 1.687
5: 1.399
6: 1.205
Set final gear to:3.300
Top Speed: 161MPH/259Km/H
Change top speed to suit track with final gear only.

The Arta version of this car was a favorite of mine in GT5 so I have been dying to get to grips with this Base model. I have had it in my garage since day one and have until now, not really been able to find a nice tune for it but alas, I think that after a good days work I may have found my answer.

I have spent quite a bit of time with this car today. I have tried two different versions, one without the Improved Rigidity and one with. And to be honest other than some adverse reactions to hitting some kerbs there seemed to be very little difference between the two.
I was experimenting with 3 slightly different suspension set-ups on both of the cars and did a 20 lap run on each of the 6 variations and this one posted not only the quickest time, but was by far the most consistent for me on both cars. With only about 0.2 seconds between the standard version and the Improved rigidity version over a 1.44 lap

So fear not, if you have done the rigidity improvements already this will still work pretty nicely, however if you do find it a little bit too low and the bigger kerbs are giving you problems just drop me a message and I can give you a kerb friendly set-up to try out instead.

Have fun and enjoy your drive!

Edit: After a discussion with @XS about the problems we had tuning this car I gave it a little thought and believe I had the "Eureka" moment that we were both looking for.
After doing my normal testing at GVS I decided to take the Garaiya to Deep Forest as this is where I think the old Arta really excelled and made a few changes to the suspension and LSD. These seemed to do the trick. So without further ado here is Version 2.

Really Nice tune thx...It corners lovely

 

[Thorin Cain]

II love it when that happens!

Why not use it as a test track? I don't just tune for any one track. Well not normally but it has been known. S2000 '06 for example. But I like to run different tests at different tracks. There are some nice sections of track there that can be useful. I really like turns 2-4 on the short track. Good technical section of track to check low to mid speed corner balance and LSDs. I like to do it that way so the cars drive better on more tracks. But It really doesn't matter, I'm not going to get to know it well enough for a while yet.

 

[Thorin Cain]

Really Nice tune thx...It corners lovely

Glad you find the car to your liking.

Thanks Badger

 

[GTPDAMO]

Hey thorin

Not had a chance to try the updated NSX tune yet due to work and family taking up my time etc etc but I somehow won the tickets to goodwood festival of speed competion that was running on here, even though the track is a hour from me I've never been haha.

There is a lot of GT content there including the GT academy wildcard and all the real life versions of the vision gt cars!!.

I'm going to be taking pictures and was wandering if there was a particular car or bike (big motogp precence) you would want me to take for you?

I would offer you the spare ticket if you were in the uk

 

[clauscravic]

II love it when that happens!

Why not use it as a test track? I don't just tune for any one track. Well not normally but it has been known. S2000 '06 for example. But I like to run different tests at different tracks. There are some nice sections of track there that can be useful. I really like turns 2-4 on the short track. Good technical section of track to check low to mid speed corner balance and LSDs. I like to do it that way so the cars drive better on more tracks. But It really doesn't matter, I'm not going to get to know it well enough for a while yet.

of course you can use the track you want to test, that was just my personal opinion, the tuner is you, not me