Lost Motorsport Talents

No wins for Heidfeld is an absolute joke
Nick Heidfeld was the most bland driver in history. He could have changed his name to Heidi Nickfeld and shown up to the circuit in a mini-skirt and he'd still be boring.

Robin Frijns is the first name that jumped to mind. Generally seen as a huge talent, but lacking sponsorship to buy a seat...
I have since heard that a lot of people in the paddock felt that he punched above his weight in Formula Renault 3.5 and that he wasn't too impressive otherwise. One of the enduring criticisms directed towards him was that he simply did not listen to input from his engineers when setting the car up and tried to drive through the issues he encountered rather than fix them.
 
Frentzen, R Schumacher and J Verstappen deserved more imo. But for me, the biggest one is Massa. Lost the 2008 F1 title in the final race and his career has been on the decline since. I think the 2009 Hungary crash and the years he played second fiddle to Alonso at Ferrari had psychologically weakened him.
 
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This is complete nonsense, the only two incidents he had that I even remember him being at fault was Canada 2010 at the wall of champions and Turkey 2011 when he slid into Buemi trying to overtake him which gave him a puncture, which was a huge shame too as he had gotten up to 6th at this point despite starting from the pits.
I dunno I just remember hearing that. It could be completely false and probably is.

Also jeez those autocorrect errors were awful! Wasn't paying attention to them when I typed it...
 
Robin Frijns is the first name that jumped to mind. Generally seen as a huge talent, but lacking sponsorship to buy a seat...
Frijns turned down the opportunity to join the Red Bull program, and since the Ferrari, Mercedes and McLaren young driver programs didn't come calling and he didn't have the budget to get a seat as a pay driver, that choice proved decisive.
This is complete nonsense, the only two incidents he had that I even remember him being at fault was Canada 2010 at the wall of champions and Turkey 2011 when he slid into Buemi trying to overtake him which gave him a puncture, which was a huge shame too as he had gotten up to 6th at this point despite starting from the pits.
He also crashed into the side of Massa at Valencia 2012 and moved over in the braking zone on Nakajima at Brazil 2009. But for someone as aggressive as he was in F1, that's not a lot of incidents over four full seasons.
 
He also crashed into the side of Massa at Valencia 2012 and moved over in the braking zone on Nakajima at Brazil 2009. But for someone as aggressive as he was in F1, that's not a lot of incidents over four full seasons.

Lightweight. That's not even a full Grosjean! :D
 
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Michele Alboreto, 5 F1 wins, 23 podiums and 2nd place in the 1985 season
Winner of the 1997 24H of Le Mans
We still owe him a championship...tons of retirement caused by the unreliability of the cars he drove
 
Only if you believe the so called victim. He did have someone slightly good as a teammate. Some people just can't deal with things like that.
 
I know he is a generally disliked figure but wasn't Machael Amdretti pretty much sabotaged in F1?

He didn't help his cause by wanting to travel back to America between every round and test session. And he had a very difficult time adjusting to the differences between Champcars and F1s at a time when F1 had active suspension, semi automatic gearboxes and traction control. The general ambiance at McLaren that year certainly did not help either, having just lost Honda and having to settle last minute with a customer Ford program and Senna's race-by-race contract. Not to mention the young Finnish prodigy breathing down his neck.
 
Wasn't Ratzenberger in his rookie season when he passed away?
He was nearly 34 when he died, though, and he was about 1.5s off his team-mate David Brabham in Brazil and nearly 1.8s off him in the Pacific GP, so I doubt he would have found himself a seat in 1995 if he had survived.
 
Would any of you agree with Ukyo Katayama?

Somewhat. He did very well in 1994 with the surprising Tyrrell-Yamaha package, even topping practice times on one or two occasions, but then he developed back cancer and didn't go public with it until after he retired from F1 three seasons later. The back cancer made Grand Prix racing uncomfortable for him and the Grand Prix commitments delayed his cancer treatment. He could have shown more flashes of brilliance he had shown in 1994, had he not been suffering from cancer.

However. He was in his late 20s at this point. It held him back in his 1995 and 1996 seasons, by which point Tyrrell slipped to the last two rows of the grid anyway. When he moved to Minardi in 1997 and announced his retirement from F1 and disclosed his cancer, he was nearly 31 and unlikely to have done any better than say, Herbert or Panis in an upper midfield Ligier or Sauber.

So while it is unfortunate that he suffered cancer when he was at his F1 peak and started to prove his worth, and might have scored more points with a more competitive car, he was unlikely to have ever graduated to the top third of the grid and probably raced where he was always going to.

Ultimately, it depends what you define as a 'lost' talent. Many of the drivers people suggest are drivers who actually had careers in F1 as opposed to drivers who never made it to F1 but could or should have. I myself suggested Fernando Alonso but the difference there is that Alonso's talent is demonstratively obvious given what he has done in the crap cars he's been in since 2008 onwards. All the midfield runners like Frentzen, Katayama and so on, while not without merit and mitigating circumstances for being unfulfilled F1 talent, are speculative at best in terms of being a devastating 'lost' talent like Francois Cevert or an incredulous missed opportunity like Fernando Alonso.
 
Or lets put it another way. Michael was completely hammered by Zanardi in Champ cars. He looked ordinary. What makes you think he'd look any different in F1?
Apples and oranges comparison. Ganassi/Zanardi had the best package with Reynard/Honda/Firestone and Andretti/Newman Haas were running the inferior Swift/Ford/Goodyear combo.
 
Henri Toivonen may have been a rally driver, but there were many people saying he easily had the skill to be a successful F1 driver and had tested a few times for March. His death in the Tour de Corse stopped him ever getting a chance.
 
Marcos Ambrose - Successful in formula Ford Including winning the European Cup, just couldn't get the funds to get decent F3 Seat and was forced to go back to Australia where he established himself as one of the best touring car drivers in the world.
 
Marcos Ambrose - Successful in formula Ford Including winning the European Cup, just couldn't get the funds to get decent F3 Seat and was forced to go back to Australia where he established himself as one of the best touring car drivers in the world.
Didn't even know that Ambrose went into open wheel. He was extremely good in V8 SC. Shame his NASCAR career was derailed by forgetting about gravity, among other poor finishes.
 
Didn't even know that Ambrose went into open wheel. He was extremely good in V8 SC. Shame his NASCAR career was derailed by forgetting about gravity, among other poor finishes.
To be fair he showed speed on the road courses that others dreamed of especially at Watkins, but he was no oval racer.
 
Ambrose had some decent performances on Ovals, he was a mid pack guy just like everyone else who ever drove for RPM. The fact he had wins for a team like RPM is amazing because I think John Andretti is the only other person to win for RPM outside of Richard Petty himself.
 
Ambrose had some decent performances on Ovals, he was a mid pack guy just like everyone else who ever drove for RPM. The fact he had wins for a team like RPM is amazing because I think John Andretti is the only other person to win for RPM outside of Richard Petty himself.
John Andretti never raced for RPM. Petty Enterprises and Richard Petty Motorsports saw Bobby Hamilton, Andretti, Kasey Kahne and Almirola win.
 
John Andretti never raced for RPM. Petty Enterprises and Richard Petty Motorsports saw Bobby Hamilton, Andretti, Kasey Kahne and Almirola win.

Not even in 2009 for 17 races? And wasn't Petty/Andretti Motorsports for the subsequent two seasons a continuation of that enterprise?
 
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