Lots of Games have it Now. Should GT 5 have a Rewind Option?

[Devedander]

You mean the same self control people use to keep themselves from punting other people and using them as barriers online?

The difference is that you can crash into someone else and ruin their game, the only one you can effect with rewind is your own game...

Are you suggesting people will rewind while everybody else buzzes by?

This is more interesting than I thought...

You WERE talking about championships, then you brought up online interactions, I pointed out how that was a different point becauase those effect you only because you are doing them together online, you then asked if I expect people to rewind while everyody else zooms by...

Please explain to me what eactly you meant by people rewinding while everyone else zooms by?

The only way you could think one person could rewind while everyone else continues to race is if you somehow thought online races rewind only effected the person pressing the button.

But hey, go ahead, explain what you meant.

What does the way someone conducts themselves online have to do with a feature that can't touch you online?

 

[Devedander]

Your arguements against polls = "I only bash the ones I dont agree with. Its the questions fault!"

I responded to you in the other thread so you better go reply. But I responded here too. Man you got some work to do.

Really? You can make that generalization from one poll?

I think it's more like turbomp:

When someone has a legit point I try to find any way possible to make it look unreasonable rather than rebut it.

You did see where I explained it right? You did see where another poll with more accurate wording resulted drastically different results right?

Hmmm...

 

[Devedander]

I'm not at all. I think its great in Forza 3. I just stated my opinion that I would hate to see it get near GT or any racing sim for that matter, it kinda takes the realistic aspect out of the game and adds an 'arcade' like feel.

For the record, GT and Forza are both about on par "sim" wise... in other words both are not arcade games and neither are anywhere near true sims.

 

[turbomp301]

The first poll shows that 10.44% of people want the feature.

This poll shows so far that 8.04% of people want the feature.

Thats drastic alright.

So far my poll shows that those voting "dont care" here, would rather not have it in the game.

 

[McLaren]

The first poll shows that 10.44% of people want the feature.

This poll shows so far that 8.04% of people want the feature.

Thats drastic alright.

So far my poll shows that those voting "dont care" here, would rather not have it in the game.

Voting don't care doesn't suddenly equal votes for no.

 

[turbomp301]

For the record, GT and Forza are both about on par "sim" wise... in other words both are not arcade games and neither are anywhere near true sims.

You have no way to back that up, but I'll give you a try. What car have you driven in real life and in both Forza and GT5 on the same track.

 

[turbomp301]

Voting don't care doesn't suddenly equal votes for no.

i'm basing that on the first poll results

 

[McLaren]

You have no way to back that up, but I'll give you a try. What car have you driven in real life and in both Forza and GT5 on the same track.

Oh, and you can?

 

[MTC]

I find this feature very useful in GRID. It often allows you to avoid your race being ruined by the AI. I don’t like the fact that your lap times are displayed but not recorded if you use it, it should either be allowed for lap times, or the lap time not displayed after its use.

I do not know how it works in other games, but in GRID in is only possible to use it during races, a limited number of times, and only up to 10 seconds of rewind per use.

I think it would be a good idea to allow it in any mode, inlcuding for setting lap times, as long as there is a limit on how many times it can be used (perhaps variable depending on track length).

So I voted yes, it should be in the game, but also I don’t care if it is included, nor if it isn't. I voted that I would use it in both modes, and I voted ‘Other (explain)’ (because there should be a limit on its use).

 

[Devedander]

The first poll shows that 10.44% of people want the feature.

This poll shows so far that 8.04% of people want the feature.

Thats drastic alright.

Nice try.

Other poll shows nearly 90% do not want it.

This poll shows that roughly 60% do not want it (do want it, plus don't care plus don't want it is about 100 votes, don't want it's total about 60 votes)

The other poll has 50% more in the no category for the other poll, pretty drastic.

This poll shows far less people are actually against the feature than the other poll.

I could go into more detail about how some people are now prejudiced one way or the other (just like how when picking a jury they don't want people who have seen any news on the case because it's been proven that just seeing that someone was arrested or charged with a crime can cause a feeling the person is guilty) and the fact that numbers alone don't tell the whole story.

I mean look at PS3 vs 360 sales... the numbers of 360 sales certainly don't tell the story of a piece of hardware that might have as much as 30% failure rate do they?

You have to apply logic and reasoning got get information out of data.

 

[McLaren]

i'm basing that on the first poll results

Except you stated that if you didn't care, to not vote at all.

So again, those who don't care, do not count as No votes because they didn't vote to begin with....

 

[Organ-Donor]

For the record, GT and Forza are both about on par "sim" wise... in other words both are not arcade games and neither are anywhere near true sims.

For the record? Thats a fact? I have to disagree.

 

[aspect8]

As I've already stated once, that's how it kind of works in Forza. Your lap time is recorded, but if you use the feature or cut corners, your time doesn't become certified and you get put near the bottom.

I don't get why they did this to be honest. People that care about hotlap times are certainly not going to be interested in uncertified ones. If it were up to me uncertified times wouldn't be posted to the scoreboards at all.

 

[Devedander]

I don't get why they did this to be honest. People that care about hotlap times are certainly not going to be interested in uncertified ones. If it were up to me uncertified times wouldn't be posted to the scoreboards at all.

I don't see how it hurts... you are at the bottom or seperate section and it's kind of nice to get on a leaderboard even if it's with a handicap - sort of a warm fuzzy. One more thing to keep less skilled players playing and hopefully thus getting better.

 

[turbomp301]

Except you stated that if you didn't care, to not vote at all.

So again, those who don't care, do not count as No votes because they didn't vote to begin with....

we will have to wait and see how many more people vote on this poll before that is true

The numbers dont lie and so far both polls have been perdictable.

 

[McLaren]

we will have to wait and see how many more people vote on this poll before that is true

The numbers dont lie and so far both polls have been perdictable.

It's true, regardless of what this poll says. If someone says they don't care, that isn't a vote towards either side.

 

[Devedander]

we will have to wait and see how many more people vote on this poll before that is true

The numbers dont lie and so far both polls have been perdictable.

Now who is making excuses for results they don't like?

BTW there is one big thing that can't be denied... the previously left out "don't care" group is a pretty significant part of the equation.

 

[turbomp301]

I don't see how it hurts... you are at the bottom or seperate section and it's kind of nice to get on a leaderboard even if it's with a handicap - sort of a warm fuzzy. One more thing to keep less skilled players playing and hopefully thus getting better.

Why doesnt GT just let us buy guns to mount on our cars?

If you dont want them, dont buy them from the tune shop, its not hurting you. It only adds to game and will bring in a whole new audience of fans into the series.

These arguements could be said about any feature. It comes down to priorities and the rewind feature is way down on the list.

 

[turbomp301]

Now who is making excuses for results they don't like?

He made a statement that isnt true and cant be proven as fact until the results come in. If the same number of people vote on both polls, I believe my assumption will be correct. We simply wont know until everyone votes.

 

[Devedander]

Why doesnt GT just let us buy guns to mount on our cars?

If you dont want them, dont buy them from the tune shop, its not hurting you. It only adds to game and will bring in a whole new audience of fans into the series.

These arguements could be said about any feature. It comes down to priorities and the rewind feature is way down on the list.

Do the guns add some educational value?

 

[Tornado]

Devedander doesn't have GT, thinks rewind is the savior for us lowly GT fans when everyone tells him no, and he keeps going, dismissing everyone's opinions as garbage, and keep soldiering on in all three threads about the same thing that are spamming the board.

Quote for the lulz. That you have the balls to post something like that after saying this:

OKay, credibility, you have none, please do stop this farce

Just cracks me up.

If you don't like my attitude, you can stop replying to me, I was never talking to you in the first place,

Lovely how public forums work, isn't it?

I was telling Devedander that he needs to give it a rest,

No, you were telling him that his opinion had no merit because he was an obvious Forza fanboi.

and you came in all captain America going "BU... BU HE HAS WIGHTZ 2!"

Its like you don't even have any clue why I've been responding to you in the first place. Seriously, perhaps you should actually read my posts in this thread. By the way, I voted "No, it shouldn't be in GT5." So, try again.

and started arguing god knows what while throwing a tirade about my ironic tirade of fanboy calling political incorrectness, at least I think that's what your BS was about.

I'll spell it out for you then: Shut up about how your experience with a two-year-old preview somehow gives you more authority over what the final content of a game that is half a year a way should be. The fact that Devedender hasn't ran out and bought a glorified demo doesn't make his opinions any less valid than yours regarding the content of a game neither of you have played, and quite frankly your accusations of fanboyism towards those that disagree with you makes me embarrassed to be part of the same fanbase.

Why doesnt GT just let us buy guns to mount on our cars?

If you dont want them, dont buy them from the tune shop, its not hurting you. It only adds to game and will bring in a whole new audience of fans into the series.

These arguements could be said about any feature. It comes down to priorities and the rewind feature is way down on the list.

Wait, what? What does that have to do with what Devedander said regarding leaderboards? Quoting mistake?

 

[killanite]

Do we really need 3 threads regarding this feature? It's not even that big of a deal, I can think of 5-10 things that PD can do that are of higher priority than this.

Personally I don't think ANY racing game needs this feature, because I'm a firm believer of learning from mistakes, and people won't do that as well when mistakes have no consequence. But if it's in there then whatever... Although I would've hoped that PD would've spent their time on other things that are of more value to the gaming experience.

 

[turbomp301]

It's true, regardless of what this poll says. If someone says they don't care, that isn't a vote towards either side.

right, but if asked to make a choice, they would opt not to have it. Does that make sense?

 

[aspect8]

For the record? Thats a fact? I have to disagree.

With which part? Neither simulate weather in any meaningful way. Neither simulate damage in a very realistic way. Neither simulate component failure or racing flags. So they're not sims.

Both use 4-corner traction models instead of central axis steering, attempt to simulate damage, try to emulate realistic straight line and cornering speeds, and use licensed real world cars. One has quirky front wheel grip characteristics resulting in chronic understeer and overly effective braking/steering performance. The other has quirky rear wheel grip characteristics resulting in chronic oversteer and single gear muscle car setups.

In the grand scheme of things they're pretty damn close to each other.

 

[turbomp301]

Do the guns add some educational value?

nor does rewind, thats what the driving line is for. If you wreck you need to learn how to quickly recover and rewinding isnt teaching you that either.

We have already gone back and forth on this over and over again on multiple threads now. I'm done, the numbers speak for themselves. enjoy the last word, dev.

 

[Devedander]

He made a statement that isnt true and cant be proven as fact until the results come in. If the same number of people vote on both polls, I believe my assumption will be correct. We simply wont know until everyone votes.

You mean that don't care votes shouldn't count as no votes? That's not correct?

This whole thing reminds me of the gay marriage law in California recently... a bunch of anger and fear building off itself and promoted by it's members to get a result without logically considering the situation. I wonder what the chance is that a bunch of PMs are goinng out to all the vocal no voters in the other poll to get in here and rack up the vote? It would be an ironic mirror of the gay marriage thing if suddenly, seemingly on deman huge nubmers of no votes cropped up...

 

[Devedander]

nor does rewind, thats what the driving line is for. If you wreck you need to learn how to quickly recover and rewinding isnt teaching you that.

Ummm.. yes rewind does add an educational value... it's been covered many times, you just refuse to accept it.

It seems recovering from a wreck is important, but learning the corners so you don't wreck is equally if not more important no?

You have a very one sided way of looking at things... I mean driving line is educational thus the other thing isnt'?

 

[Devedander]

For the record? Thats a fact? I have to disagree.

Please do extrapolate.

 

[McLaren]

With which part? Neither simulate weather in any meaningful way. Neither simulate damage in a very realistic way. Neither simulate component failure or racing flags. So they're not sims.

Both use 4-corner traction models instead of central axis steering, attempt to simulate damage, try to emulate realistic straight line and cornering speeds, and use licensed real world cars. One has quirky front wheel grip characteristics resulting in chronic understeer and overly effective braking/steering performance. The other has quirky rear wheel grip characteristics resulting in chronic oversteer and single gear muscle car setups.

In the grand scheme of things they're pretty damn close to each other.

Another A+ post from you!

We've had this discussion long before. When it comes to GT & FM, both games are pretty equal in realism. Where one has flaws, the other makes up for it, & vice versa.

 

[Devedander]

Another A+ post from you!

We've had this discussion long before. When it comes to GT & FM, both games are pretty equal in realism. Where one has flaws, the other makes up for it, & vice versa.

Agree.

In the console world, GT and FM are both about as simmish as it gets, but in the big picture... it's a different story.