Lots of Games have it Now. Should GT 5 have a Rewind Option?

[turbomp301]

Oh, and you can?

nope

It just shows who is really grounded here and who thnks they are all-knowing.

 

[McLaren]

right, but if asked to make a choice, they would opt not to have it. Does that make sense?

Sorry, voting doesn't work that way. If you tell them have to make a choice, there is a 50/50 chance they could say, "No", or "Sure, yeah".

 

[FLASH48]

I think i need to start a poll, on why we have 3 threads about the rewind feature! Wonder how good that would go over?

 

[McLaren]

nope

It just shows who is really grounded here and who thnks they are all-knowing.

Well, turns out, he's right. In the realism of both games' physics, they are pretty much yin and yang.

 

[Tornado]

nope

It just shows who is really grounded here and who thnks they are all-knowing.

Except he isn't wrong.

 

[turbomp301]

Well, turns out, he's right. In the realism of both games' physics, they are pretty much yin and yang.

ok, if you say so.

All these threads are redundant and becoming a waste of time for me. I hope this thread will one day reach a satisfactory conclusion for everyone and we can all move on.

I wish everyone the best in there quest for thread dominance.


except for Dev

 

[Devedander]

I will try to explain it again (although I don't know why I bother):

What we are talking about:

How would rewind damage GT?

The poll posted:

Do you want rewind in GT?

Aswers: Yes No

Who falls into each group:

People who actively want rewind - these go into the Yes group.

People who feel rewind will damage GT and thus actively want it out- these go into the no group

People who do not care either way... well the way the poll is worded "Do you want rewind" means that since they do not want rewind (if you don't care, you don't want it) then they default into the no group.

This is not an accurate representation becuase while their is a group that technically covers the "do not care" group, the results do not accurately portray the data.

Revese example:

Should rewind be excluded from GT5?

Answers: Yes No

Who falls ino which group:

People who acively want rewind - These guys go into the No group

People who think rewind will damage GT and thus actively want it out - these go into the yes group

People who don't care... well they don't care, so they don't want it excluded because, well they don't care so they go into the no group.

See how wording it drastically changes the results? Basically one group gets a bunch of votes that it literally represents, but doen't portray accurately in context.

I think a proper poll would have been:

How do you feel about the possible inclusion of rewind in future GT games?

"I would like to see it either for my own use, for the benfit of others or both"

"I do not care as I wouldn't use it and I don't care if it benefits others. It won't effect me so it doesn't bother me either way.

"I do not like rewind, it negatively effects the game and/or my enjoyment of the game, I would not be happy if it was included.

I think this poll (this thread) was a bit to complicated but it does give all the options necessary too accuratly cover each group.

Remember, numbers don't lie, but you have to work to get information out of data.

And the final result... we haven't addressed the question at hand: how does rewind damage GT?

We know some people feel it will, in fact quite a few people... but why is also very important.

While numbers don't lie, if I found a lot of racists who think certain races are lesser, would those numbers make it so? I think we would agree not...

 

[iLex]

[youtubehd]DmaGgf6Atzo[/youtubehd]

To me this video is a great arguement against the feature.

I can see the back of the Forza 3 box now.

New Rewind Feature - For those that love to punt, but hate when it backfires!

or

With Forza's new rewind feature, you'll never have to accept the negative consequences of your actions again!

Untill I saw that video I thought I didn't like the feature. now I know I don't like it. Looking at this makes me expect a sudden 'roar' (MCLA) or even the drop of a banana (yeah, you know).

But as some people like these 'legal cheats', maybe it should just be in there. As said somewhere way back in this thread people have a choice to use it or not. Then again, I think the use of this feature should be penalised so there is an incentive for clean driving (e.g. the use of rewind will not give you a prize car). In that case rewind could be used to learn tracks, redo some takeovers etc. but if you want to go for the real prices you'd have to do some 'real' driving.

 

[McLaren]

But as some people like these 'legal cheats', maybe it should just be in there. As said somewhere way back in this thread people have a choice to use it or not. Then again, I think the use of this feature should be penalised so there is an incentive for clean driving (e.g. the use of rewind will not give you a prize car). In that case rewind could be used to learn tracks, redo some takeovers etc. but if you want to go for the real prices you'd have to do some 'real' driving.

Finally, someone who catches on & can think of good and bad consequences of using the feature.👍

 

[Tornado]

I dunno whether I like the idea of No Prize cars. That seems to me like too harsh a restriction. If the feature was to be included for newb-friendliness, I think it would be a touch counterproductive to more-or-less punish its use.

There was a game a while ago that had bonuses if you turned driving aids off (was it GRID?). Maybe something like that would work? Like, bonus credits if you don't use it?

 

[FLASH48]

Catch on the rewind, tomorrow! Keep this useless thread going!!!!!!!

 

[seraphaze]

How i see myself using a rewind function is in testing lines and improving my passing. For example, if i can go into practice mode with several AI's, i can use rewind to quickly try out a series of different passing lines on a particular corner to get a feel for how that corner can be best taken from a given position, or i can quickly test to see what the optimal entry speed/angle/acceleration point is for a specific corner in a particular car/settings etc. Seeing it this way, im more open to the idea.. but there are features that i would want to have in it that dont appear to be available FM3.

Specifics i would want to see implemented for rewind (GT or otherwise):

-Practice mode only
-The ability to go forward if you've gone too far back
-Time is displayed even during RW/FF
-Variable RW/FF speed
-The ability to define sectors before or even during a practice session (by pausing and going into "Sector setup" or something)
-The ability to view/auto record my performance/progress for specific sectors (and for entire laps obviously) e.g. fastest time, average time, braking points, average braking point, etc

All i see is a potential way to enhance my skillz even more.. and for ppl who dont want it, simple - they dont have to use it. It's a win-win situation!

 

[yeti]

Seems pretty conclusive - the 3 polls we have on the rewind subject all empthatically say No.

C.

 

[Coiler]

Seems pretty conclusive - the 3 polls we have on the rewind subject all empthatically say No.

C.

But we can be wrong... or at least some think so...

 

[vaioleto]

Quote for the lulz. That you have the balls to post something like that after saying this:
Just cracks me up.


Lovely how public forums work, isn't it?


No, you were telling him that his opinion had no merit because he was an obvious Forza fanboi.


Its like you don't even have any clue why I've been responding to you in the first place. Seriously, perhaps you should actually read my posts in this thread. By the way, I voted "No, it shouldn't be in GT5." So, try again.


I'll spell it out for you then: Shut up about how your experience with a two-year-old preview somehow gives you more authority over what the final content of a game that is half a year a way should be. The fact that Devedender hasn't ran out and bought a glorified demo doesn't make his opinions any less valid than yours regarding the content of a game neither of you have played, and quite frankly your accusations of fanboyism towards those that disagree with you makes me embarrassed to be part of the same fanbase.



Wait, what? What does that have to do with what Devedander said regarding leaderboards? Quoting mistake?

Are you... devedander's husband? You seem so over protective of him, or do you have beef with me? Oh no, did my tone of voice or sarcasm offend you in any way? What's this thread even about anymore?

obvious Forza fanboi

I need this quote, where did I say he is a forza fanboy?

Shut up about...

Bu... but... Devedander can go on and on about how rewind is god's gift to his loins and how by default it should be in GT post after post yet when I point out that he hasn't actually played prologue that much, I am told to shut up?

Excuse me for not wanting to see three freaking topics on this feature cluttering the top of the page every minute with devedander as the last poster. Chill out and go back to your grade 12 debate club.

But we can be wrong... or at least some think so...

We are infidels who have not seen the light, and one shall enlighten us at all costs... no matter how annoyingly incessant he has to be.

By the way, I voted "No, it shouldn't be in GT5." So, try again.

I never called your vote into question, but rather, why you are still speaking to me even though I am using a tone of voice that would put people off so they stop pestering me.

Maybe you're a natural devil's advocate, or maybe being uselessly argumentative is how you get attention, either way, it's quite annoying.

 

[Coiler]

We are infidels who have not seen the light, and one shall enlighten us at all costs... no matter how annoyingly incessant he has to be.

We don't know it but we really, really want it bad. And i mean really, really, really

 

[FyreandIce]

Doesn't bother me either way really.

Te oly time I use it in the FM3 demo is so I can cause bigger crashes XD

 

[aspect8]

Thank you for bringing some sensible opinions and discussion to this thread seraphaze and iLex. And I agree with you, the option to link rewind to difficulty or rewards would be a good thing in my opinion.

 

[Lain]

I think a limit would be a good compromise for those who think rewind encourages bad driving.

How about this? You can rewind once per race, up to 45 seconds max.

 

[phil-t]

How i see myself using a rewind function is in testing lines and improving my passing. For example, if i can go into practice mode with several AI's, i can use rewind to quickly try out a series of different passing lines on a particular corner to get a feel for how that corner can be best taken from a given position, or i can quickly test to see what the optimal entry speed/angle/acceleration point is for a specific corner in a particular car/settings etc. Seeing it this way, im more open to the idea.. but there are features that i would want to have in it that dont appear to be available FM3.

Specifics i would want to see implemented for rewind (GT or otherwise):

-Practice mode only
-The ability to go forward if you've gone too far back
-Time is displayed even during RW/FF
-Variable RW/FF speed
-The ability to define sectors before or even during a practice session (by pausing and going into "Sector setup" or something)
-The ability to view/auto record my performance/progress for specific sectors (and for entire laps obviously) e.g. fastest time, average time, braking points, average braking point, etc

All i see is a potential way to enhance my skillz even more.. and for ppl who dont want it, simple - they dont have to use it. It's a win-win situation!

Good post.

I'd like to see more telemetry as well so you can really see exactly where you are losing time..

 

[Exorcet]

90% of GTP does not want rewind. They got their reasons.

Rewind = FAIL

Only 55% don't want it, 31% don't care, 29% won't use it, and only 3% think it would utterly ruin the point of playing GT5. Then, you have about 25% of people who would find it helpful.

 

[Zathra5_]

I dunno whether I like the idea of No Prize cars. That seems to me like too harsh a restriction. If the feature was to be included for newb-friendliness, I think it would be a touch counterproductive to more-or-less punish its use.

There was a game a while ago that had bonuses if you turned driving aids off (was it GRID?). Maybe something like that would work? Like, bonus credits if you don't use it?

Maybe not no prize car but how about changing the amount of prize money. Disabling rewind altogether gives you the most money then having rewind but not using it, then using rewind once and so on.

Edit: I really should learn to read. My suggestion is like your second paragraph. FC definitely gave you more money the lower the aids settings you used. I think Grid would give you more money if you disabled rewind.

 

[Joey D]

I think the better question is how is it not cheating?

Answering a question with a question is not a good way to prove your point.

A rewind feature is not cheating because it does not give you an unfair advantage and actually punishes you for using it. When you use it you still have to drive the section again and not screw it up. Now if there was a fastforward to get you through a section, I'd be more inclined to call that cheating because you don't actually have to do anything yourself.

 

[irnbrutwinturbo]

Answering a question with a question is not a good way to prove your point.

A rewind feature is not cheating because it does not give you an unfair advantage and actually punishes you for using it. When you use it you still have to drive the section again and not screw it up. Now if there was a fastforward to get you through a section, I'd be more inclined to call that cheating because you don't actually have to do anything yourself.

Fastforward - that would be b-spec then.

Im still against rewind, but bringing cheating into the discussion isn't going to get anyone anywere. Some would argue cutting corners is cheating, others are happy to take the penalty for thier action and give themselves a pat on the back for a place gained.

Cheating in a game is really down to opinion, as if the game lets you do it and you use it, you just using another skill to beat the game.

Me, i have my own morales and have a clear definition of what i would call cheating but its guaranteed to be slightly different to everyone elses, and NO REWIND.

How can you trust someones best lap time if they were allowed to use rewind!?

 

[pricey2003]

And Schumacher is out of the Belgian grand prix on lap 12......Oh.....Wait a minute!.....He's hit the rewind button!........He's safely back on the track!......And Schumacher wins the Belgian grand prix!

 

[Joey D]

How can you trust someones best lap time if they were allowed to use rewind!?

Obviously lap times using rewind wouldn't count in the standings, that's how Forza does it and I think it's going to work quite well. A lot of people don't care about having the fastest time around a track.

 

[RAVELLRON]

i will never finish to repeat that its the worst feature they settled ever...

 

[irnbrutwinturbo]

Obviously lap times using rewind wouldn't count in the standings, that's how Forza does it and I think it's going to work quite well. A lot of people don't care about having the fastest time around a track.

Thats good to know, at least someone out there is using common sense. But surely this just proves the fact the rewinding doesn't belong it GT, and that the majority of us are right.

Not so sure about that, plenty for forums include places for people about thier lap times, the leaderboards do seem quite fierce with competition. Lot's of people complained when there fastest laps weren't showing up online in the latest need for speed.

My 2 cents anyway.

 

[Joey D]

Thats good to know, at least someone out there is using common sense. But surely this just proves the fact the rewinding doesn't belong it GT, and that the majority of us are right.

Not so sure about that, plenty for forums include places for people about thier lap times, the leaderboards do seem quite fierce with competition. Lot's of people complained when there fastest laps weren't showing up online in the latest need for speed.

My 2 cents anyway.

How does that prove rewind doesn't belong in GT? I can't see it proving anything other then there is a good way to implement rewind without it destroying an online leader-board.

And yes there are always going to be people who want the fastest time, we even have a race series on these boards and lap time comparisons...but I'm saying that a lot of people don't care. They just want to race, have fun and drive cars they can't. Not everyone is into being the fastest around a track.

 

[irnbrutwinturbo]

How does that prove rewind doesn't belong in GT? I can't see it proving anything other then there is a good way to implement rewind without it destroying an online leader-board.

By not having rewind in leaderboards, Forza are saying look here's how fast a person can go without rewinding, but they could go faster if they were to use rewind.

Therefore using rewind is in sense adding the ability to allow you drive significantly better than you actually are, and in the world of simulation that would be as incorrect as fitting wings to cars so that they can fly over the corners that require them to slow down.

In fact, nevermind, im probably wrong again. 👎