Lots of Games have it Now. Should GT 5 have a Rewind Option?

[McLaren]

If 90% would never use it, why include it?

It's not 90%, it's 63%. Stop making up numbers.

 

[Bogie 19th]

According to the poll, your a very small part of the fanbase. While I'm not required to use it is it fair that others will have an easier time unlocking cars and winning races then I will?

Why do you care if people use rewind to help them? Of course it's fair. Not everyone wants to race as true sim enthusiasts like us. It's a choice, it's an option. Them unlocking cars still has no bearing on you.

 

[Northstar]

It's not 90%, it's 63%. Stop making up numbers.

Not to mention it is just 63% of the 217 that voted. That is a very small number when you consider that GT 5 will likely sell millions.

 

[Joey D]

I've seen this question brought up in other forums, the result is the same.

It doesn't make your statement any more correct or factual. You are making a pretty bold claim and you are stating it incorrectly. Not to mention you haven't provide any supporting evidence for these "other forums".

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I said the same thing in the livery editor thread and I think it applies here to. The elitism and arrogance I'm seeing from the hardcore GT fan base is really ruining the game for me. And it just seems to have surfaced with GT5, which is disappointing to say the least.

 

[Joel]

Who gives a flying 🤬? If you like it, use it if you don't like it, don't use it. Simple as that.

 

[niky]

Of course... a wiser way would have been to create a poll which would show who voted what.

Was this a box poll and not a single choice poll? I'm betting most of us voted like it was a single choice poll.

Numbers can be misleading, depending on how you interpret it. There are 131 people who said "no, it shouldn't be"... and only 14 who said "it should be" and only 34 who have said they would actually use it.

Whichever way you cut the statistic... that's pretty damn lopsided.

Completely irrelevant. As long as restarting makes you win, then it's the same as rewind.

Anyways, I'm quite happy to see the diversity in the poll. 👍 It proves not everyone has the same opinion, which is what I wanted to see.

You won't feel the same if you're in the 3rd hour of an Endurance race. Gran Turismo 4 had races so long that it was a damn shame to restart if you messed up. You'd just try to gain the places back, make your cash, and try again.

A restart is exactly like rewind in Lap 1.

Less so in Lap 2.

By Lap 5, a restart will actually require work to make it worth it.

By Lap 10, restarting is just as good as quitting the game and going on a coffee break.

By Lap 15, you won't even bother. You'll just slog on and try to make a good result despite that last mistake that cost you twenty seconds.

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In real life, you can quit a race and come back next week... next month... or next year...

 

[Earth]

It's not 90%, it's 63%. Stop making up numbers.

A voting card says this:

- John Doe
- Jane Doe

Not this:

- I will only vote John Doe if he lowers taxes.
- John Doe
- I don't care
- Jane Doe
- I'll leave the city if Jane Doe is voted Mayor
- I dont really care for Jane Doe
- Jane Doe is only good with education
- Jane Doe is only good with housing
- Jane Doe is good at alot of things
- Other (explain)

Why do you care if people use rewind to help them? Of course it's fair. Not everyone wants to race as true sim enthusiasts like us. It's a choice, it's an option. Them unlocking cars still has no bearing on you.

There are plenty of arcade racing games for them. PD has given them standard physics.

As for unlocking cars, when I race them online and they have no idea what they are doing in a Saleen S7 Twin Turbo its going to have a bearing on me when they cream me.

Not to mention it is just 63% of the 217 that voted. That is a very small number when you consider that GT 5 will likely sell millions.

If a president wins an election by 63% its considered the overwhelming majority

It doesn't make your statement any more correct or factual. You are making a pretty bold claim and you are stating it incorrectly. Not to mention you haven't provide any supporting evidence for these "other forums".

One link I know of

http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/rewind-in-gt5-/930035?page=1

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I said the same thing in the livery editor thread and I think it applies here to. The elitism and arrogance I'm seeing from the hardcore GT fan base is really ruining the game for me. And it just seems to have surfaced with GT5, which is disappointing to say the least.

Not any more elitism that what the master himself displays. He said GT5 was like a premium watch, fewer features but higher end, higher quality while Forza was like a multi functional watch that was lower end, less quality.

We want GT to retain that higher end premium feel, and 'features' like rewind do not fit the mold.

Bash me all you want, but I know Kaz's type, and he will never include rewind.

 

[Northstar]

A voting card says this:

There are plenty of arcade racing games for them. PD has given them standard physics.

As for unlocking cars, when I race them online and they have no idea what they are doing in a Saleen S7 Twin Turbo its going to have a bearing on me when they cream me.

Here is the thing, PD is beleive it or not a company. Their main goal is to sell as many copies as possible. This means they will have to make the game accessible for the majority of players. You may say they don't matter, but they are the ones that keep PD in business not us as we aren't the majority.

 

[sumbrownkid]

I don't get why people are so hostile over this. It's a feature that we don't have to use (I know this defense argument is old). If it's in the game or not, it's really up to Kaz if he said he wants this game to be far-reaching for all players. It's not like Kaz is going to be like "Gosh since rewind is in, let's put in NFS Shift physics and call it a day!"

 

[Earth]

Here is the thing, PD is beleive it or not a company. Their main goal is to sell as many copies as possible. This means they will have to make the game accessible for the majority of players. You may say they don't matter, but they are the ones that keep PD in business not us as we aren't the majority.

Kaz has already stepped down to the mainstream/casual level by including standard physics. I'm afraid that to someone of Kaz's stature a rewind button is too many steps down. He will not take that route. The master will provide options like standard physics, racing line, and variable damage settings to make the simulation easier for casuals/mainstream.

 

[McLaren]

A voting card says this:

- John Doe
- Jane Doe

Just as I thought. Avoid the subject. You've proven my point. Again.

There are plenty of arcade racing games for them. PD has given them standard physics.

Because GT is sooo difficult to pick up & play, right?

As for unlocking cars, when I race them online and they have no idea what they are doing in a Saleen S7 Twin Turbo its going to have a bearing on me when they cream me.

Because you'll totally know they used rewind to be unfair to get that Saleen.

Get that logic out of here. It holds no ground.

If a president wins an election by 63% its considered the overwhelming majority.

63% doesn't equal 90%, however, as you claim it doe.s

One link I know of

http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/rewind-in-gt5-/930035?page=1

Sorry, no one is going to take that forum seriously when you have an idiot posting this.

No, Seriously how about feature that plays game for you too, you just sit there and be happy that you are first at the end, would like that.

Tell your friend over there it's called B-Spec.

Not any more elitism that what the master himself displays. He said GT5 was
We want GT to retain that higher end premium feel, and 'features' like rewind do not fit the mold, in my opinion.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Northstar]

Kaz has already stepped down to the mainstream/casual level by including standard physics. I'm afraid that to someone of Kaz's stature a rewind button is too many steps down. He will not take that route. The master will provide options like standard physics, racing line, and variable damage settings to make the simulation easier for casuals/mainstream.

Since it seems you are close enough to Kaz to know what he won't put in the game, can you ask him some questions for us?

 

[Lucas]

A voting card says this:

- John Doe
- Jane Doe

Not this:

- I will only vote John Doe if he lowers taxes.
- John Doe
- I don't care
- Jane Doe
- I'll leave the city if Jane Doe is voted Mayor
- I dont really care for Jane Doe
- Jane Doe is only good with education
- Jane Doe is only good with housing
- Jane Doe is good at alot of things
- Other (explain)

You do realize I added those extra options on purpose so I and other members didn't have to scroll through dozens of flaming posts and useless gibberish?

No, you didn't.

By the way, your example was ridiculous. Since I make ridiculous examples from time to time, I know when to recognize one.

There are plenty of arcade racing games for them. PD has given them standard physics.

As for unlocking cars, when I race them online and they have no idea what they are doing in a Saleen S7 Twin Turbo its going to have a bearing on me when they cream me.

So? We all have to lose someday. If they can cream you with the Saleen in a fair race, then they have proved themselves worthy to have it.

If a president wins an election by 63% its considered the overwhelming majority

Missed his point completely. Not everyone who plays GT has voted. "Few" people know of the existence of this forum.

Bash me all you want, but I know Kaz's type, and he will never include rewind.

*spits tea* We are bashing you? You are wrong, that's the problem. We have proved you wrong many times, yet you persist trying to prove us wrong. I thought I knew Kaz, but I obviously was proved wrong. Different damage for different cars is something I didn't expected from Kaz.

 

[Joey D]

One link I know of

http://forums.gametrailers.com/thread/rewind-in-gt5-/930035?page=1

McLaren already pointed out some idiocy on those boards. Plus I'm curious what the results of that poll actually are. I don't really want to make an account at a forum I'll never visit again. Even then, it's just one forum, it hardly proves your point about how a vast majority of GT don't want the feature. There are still millions of GT players out there.

Not any more elitism that what the master himself displays. He said GT5 was like a premium watch, fewer features but higher end, higher quality while Forza was like a multi functional watch that was lower end, less quality.

We want GT to retain that higher end premium feel, and 'features' like rewind do not fit the mold.

Bash me all you want, but I know Kaz's type, and he will never include rewind.

So do you and Kaz have coffee on a regular bases or something? You are certainly acting like you know an awful lot of information to be fact. It all adds to the attitude that is slowly turning me off from the series.

 

[Earth]

Because GT is sooo difficult to pick up & play, right?

Right.

PD took the correct route in addressing this issue, while Turn 10 took a sleazy, easy route by implmenting the rewind button.[/quote]

Because you'll totally know they used rewind to be unfair to get that Saleen.

Get that logic out of here. It holds no ground.

The chances are high that alot of casuals/mainstream will aquire vehicles that they will not be able to control to a safe degree online by means of rewind.

63% doesn't equal 90%, however, as you claim it doe.s

Which is why this fraudulent poll was created, to get away from the 90% definitive NO the other poll produced.

Sorry, no one is going to take that forum seriously when you have an idiot posting this.

Tell your friend over there it's called B-Spec.

As I said earlier B-Spec is not equal to rewind in anyway. You can choose to complete the events through A-Spec (you drive) or B-Spec (race manager).

Fixed that for you.

Since it seems you are close enough to Kaz to know what he won't put in the game, can you ask him some questions for us?

If you have seen Kaz you have seen me.

 

[Northstar]

Once again I don't see how using rewind makes them a bad driver. If they screw up on a turn and use rewind they still have to take the turn. If anything it will make them a better driver by teaching them the limits of their car.

 

[McLaren]

Right.

PD took the correct route in addressing this issue, while Turn 10 took a sleazy, easy route by implmenting the rewind button.

Wrong. That was called sarcasm.

The chances are high that alot of casuals/mainstream will aquire vehicles that they will not be able to control to a safe degree online by means of rewind.

Prove it.

Which is why this fraudulent poll was created, to get away from the 90% definitive NO the other poll produced.

Which is why you turned a 63% against favor into 88%, then to 90%, and then stated it as a fact?

As I said earlier B-Spec is not equal to rewind in anyway. You can choose to complete the events through A-Spec (you drive) or B-Spec (race manager).

I'm not talking about rewind, genius. That idiot was describing B-Spec because it does exactly what he said he does; it does the whole race for you.

If you have seen Kaz you have seen me.

That's why Kaz gives some respect towards Forza while you just belittle it, right?

 

[Lucas]

The chances are high that alot of casuals/mainstream will aquire vehicles that they will not be able to control to a safe degree online by means of rewind.

I'm sure that, after all those rewinds, they will have, at least, minimal knowledge on how to control a Saleen.

Which is why this fraudulent poll was created, to get away from the 90% definitive NO the other poll produced.

Stop saying that. You know very well the other poll was fraudulent, although not on purpose as the OP said himself. Just because you don't like the results of this poll doesn't give you the right to call it fraudulent.

You complain about the lazyness of Forza 3 by including the rewind feature, but you should (and I apologize beforehand if someone believes this is name calling) stop being lazy and do the math yourself to calculate the correct % of people that want, don't want or don't care about Rewind being in GT.

Fraudulent poll is what you will see if you are lazy. A good poll is what you will see if you actually care about what people think. This is why those who dislike the feature at heart say this is fraudulent, and those who actually care about people's opinions don't.

As I said earlier B-Spec is not equal to rewind in anyway. You can choose to complete the events through A-Spec (you drive) or B-Spec (race manager).

As you can choose to use or not rewind... Come to think about it, those who used B-Spec shouldn't be awarded cars!

Funny, it takes more skill to use rewind than to use B-Spec. At least with Rewind you do something else than choosing between 5 numbers and setting speed to x3.

 

[Joey D]

Once again I don't see how using rewind makes them a bad driver. If they screw up on a turn and use rewind they still have to take the turn. If anything it will make them a better driver by teaching them the limits of their car.

It's the elitism soaking through. A lot of people seem to think that everyone should have to work as hard as they do to get the most out of the game. Frankly I'd rather have an enjoyable game for all, especially since GT offers so much in terms of cars to drive.

 

[Lain]

I think everybody needs to just agree to disagree about rewind, then proceed to shut up about it. Any discussion on it is just going to turn into pointless arguing.

 

[Lucas]

And thus, I retreat from this thread forever...

By the way, I joined your group, yaywalter! 👍

 

[sumbrownkid]

I think everybody needs to just agree to disagree about rewind, then proceed to shut up about it. Any discussion on it is just going to turn into pointless arguing.

I second that motion.

This thread makes me want to play MGS4 again...no idea why...

 

[Lain]

And thus, I retreat from this thread forever...

By the way, I joined your group, yaywalter! 👍

Awesome, thanks. Always glad to hear that there are some like-minded people out there.

 

[kazunorisan]

guys, isnt it stupid if a guy is wearing a women's swimsuit?thats how ricers are. you just laugh and go on. you dont have to say rip off your bathing suit! so if you think we should not have an in depth livery editor you are really stupid.take me lightly though alright you dont have to flame me i AM a gt fan. and im only 11.

sorry I ment rewind feature not livery editor.

 

[Lain]

and im only 11.

That explains why your post has no relevance whatsoever to the thread's topic. And why it has little coherence regardless of whatever topic it was addressing.

 

[sumbrownkid]

@Kazunorisan:

You do talk like an eleven year old...what does that have to with anything with the topic?

The swimsuit part was Lols though.

 

[Earth]

You do realize I added those extra options on purpose so I and other members didn't have to scroll through dozens of flaming posts and useless gibberish?

No, you didn't.

By the way, your example was ridiculous. Since I make ridiculous examples from time to time, I know when to recognize one.

While now it seems that your intention of the poll was pure, others have twisted it to fit their own wishes and thinking. The original poll was more then enough to quickly dismiss rewind, your poll, while pure in intention, only fanned the flames and gave rewind zealots new life.

So? We all have to lose someday. If they can cream you with the Saleen in a fair race, then they have proved themselves worthy to have it.

Good point. But beyond bad online drivers rewind does not teach them to be good offline drivers either. PD has implemented many assists to new drivers, while Turn 10 jumped onto the latest fad of rewind, most likely just to claim they have something on Gran Turismo.

Missed his point completely. Not everyone who plays GT has voted. "Few" people know of the existence of this forum.

Though GTP may be a small portion of Gran Turismo's fan base it is the largest and most diverse fan base on the internet. A poll here is no different then a gallup poll.

*spits tea* We are bashing you? You are wrong, that's the problem. We have proved you wrong many times, yet you persist trying to prove us wrong. I thought I knew Kaz, but I obviously was proved wrong. Different damage for different cars is something I didn't expected from Kaz.

I dont think you can call me wrong when the majority of the pollsters agree with me. Varying levels of damage is not something Kaz would want but something that has to do with manufacturers. At this point other parties are involved, not just Kaz.

McLaren already pointed out some idiocy on those boards. Plus I'm curious what the results of that poll actually are. I don't really want to make an account at a forum I'll never visit again. Even then, it's just one forum, it hardly proves your point about how a vast majority of GT don't want the feature. There are still millions of GT players out there.

No, actually he didn't. B-spec is not comparable to rewind. From what was written in the posts I'm sure the results of the poll are firmly against rewind. You don't have to quiz every single GT player to get a definitive answer on rewind.

So do you and Kaz have coffee on a regular bases or something? You are certainly acting like you know an awful lot of information to be fact. It all adds to the attitude that is slowly turning me off from the series.

His personality and tastes are quite obvious to me and mimic my own.

Once again I don't see how using rewind makes them a bad driver. If they screw up on a turn and use rewind they still have to take the turn. If anything it will make them a better driver by teaching them the limits of their car.

IsmokeGT got very in depth a few pages back about rewind not teaching rhythm, discipline or teaching you the consequences of your actions. These three areas are very important in the art of race car driving.

Wrong. That was called sarcasm.

Difficulty does not measure the quality of a simulator, accuracy does.

Prove it.

Does the United States government have to prove that if they don't secure their enriched uranium terrorists will try and steal it? No.

Which is why you turned a 63% against favor into 88%, then to 90%, and then stated it as a fact?

I did not twist the results of the poll at tall. I merely rounded off the numbers. I'm sorry that the poll results are irritating to you, but I think it's time to face the facts. Rewind is not wanted.

I'm not talking about rewind, genius. That idiot was describing B-Spec because it does exactly what he said he does; it does the whole race for you.

Way to twist the truth and facts. That's become a trademark of your posts. Describing B-Spec as a mode that "does the whole race for you" is misleading and not true at all. B-Spec is a race manager mode. Not a sit back and watch the AI win for you mode as you try to put it.

That's why Kaz gives some respect towards Forza while you just belittle it, right?

Kaz admitted in an interview he knew nothing about other racing games when asked if GT5P would match Forza's features. I'm not sure how you can be much harsher.

I'm sure that, after all those rewinds, they will have, at least, minimal knowledge on how to control a Saleen.

When will they have learned rhythm or discipline? Both are vital when attempting to race someone else online. Rewind will certainly not have taught them that.

Stop saying that. You know very well the other poll was fraudulent, although not on purpose as the OP said himself. Just because you don't like the results of this poll doesn't give you the right to call it fraudulent.

You complain about the lazyness of Forza 3 by including the rewind feature, but you should (and I apologize beforehand if someone believes this is name calling) stop being lazy and do the math yourself to calculate the correct % of people that want, don't want or don't care about Rewind being in GT.

Fraudulent poll is what you will see if you are lazy. A good poll is what you will see if you actually care about what people think. This is why those who dislike the feature at heart say this is fraudulent, and those who actually care about people's opinions don't.

The original poll of yes/no was sufficient. After NO took a definitive 90% lead the thread should have died and dropped tot he bottom. Instead it was given new life by your poll, which was had pure intentions, but had harmful results as it gave those gasping for straws new life as they could twist it's results to fit their ideals.

As you can choose to use or not rewind... Come to think about it, those who used B-Spec shouldn't be awarded cars!

Funny, it takes more skill to use rewind than to use B-Spec. At least with Rewind you do something else than choosing between 5 numbers and setting speed to x3.

b-spec is a race manager mode.

the cars they win using B-SPEC are intended to be raced through the race manager mode as well.

 

[Lain]

While now it seems that your intention of the poll was pure, others have twisted it to fit their own wishes and thinking. The original poll was more then enough to quickly dismiss rewind, your poll, while pure in intention, only fanned the flames and gave rewind zealots new life.



Good point. But beyond bad online drivers rewind does not teach them to be good offline drivers either. PD has implemented many assists to new drivers, while Turn 10 jumped onto the latest fad of rewind, most likely just to claim they have something on Gran Turismo.



Though GTP may be a small portion of Gran Turismo's fan base it is the largest and most diverse fan base on the internet. A poll here is no different then a gallup poll.



I dont think you can call me wrong when the majority of the pollsters agree with me. Varying levels of damage is not something Kaz would want but something that has to do with manufacturers. At this point other parties are involved, not just Kaz.



No, actually he didn't. B-spec is not comparable to rewind. From what was written in the posts I'm sure the results of the poll are firmly against rewind. You don't have to quiz every single GT player to get a definitive answer on rewind.



His personality and tastes are quite obvious to me and mimic my own.



IsmokeGT got very in depth a few pages back about rewind not teaching rhythm, discipline or teaching you the consequences of your actions. These three areas are very important in the art of race car driving.



Difficulty does not measure the quality of a simulator, accuracy does.



Does the United States government have to prove that if they don't secure their enriched uranium terrorists will try and still it? No.



I did not twist the results of the poll at tall. I merely rounded off the numbers. I'm sorry that the poll results are irritating to you, but I think it's time to face the facts. Rewind is not wanted.



Way to twist the truth and facts. That's become a trademark of your posts. Describing B-Spec as a mode that "does the whole race for you" is misleading and not true at all. B-Spec is a race manager mode. Not a sit back and watch the AI win for you mode as you try to put it.



Kaz admitted in an interview he knew nothing about other racing games when asked if GT5P would match Forza's features. I'm not sure how you can be much harsher.



When will they have learned rhythm or discipline? Both are vital when attempting to race someone else online. Rewind will certainly not have taught them that.



The original poll of yes/no was sufficient. After NO took a definitive 90% lead the thread should have died and dropped tot he bottom. Instead it was given new life by your poll, which was had pure intentions, but had harmful results as it gave those gasping for straws new life as they could twist it's results to fit their ideals.



b-spec is a race manager mode.

the cars they win using B-SPEC are intended to be raced through the race manager mode as well.

Give it a rest. Let us let this thread die already.

 

[McLaren]

Difficulty does not measure the quality of a simulator, accuracy does.

Actually, it does. Certain cars are very difficult to drive in real life, i.e. race cars. However, GT allows these cars to be easily driven (as does Forza). So, obviously, the accuracy of the physics is lost somewhere when we can all race the Formula 1 very quickly after 15 minutes.

Does the United States government have to prove that if they don't secure their enriched uranium terrorists will try and still it? No.

All I see here is you confirming that, no, you can't prove your claim. Best keep your trap shut then until you do.

I did not twist the results of the poll at tall. I merely rounded off the numbers. I'm sorry that the poll results are irritating to you, but I think it's time to face the facts. Rewind is not wanted.

You turned 63% of no-rewind folks into 90% of the entire GT fanbase. You manipulated the poll.

If anyone needs to face facts, it's you. Some people do want rewind, & thankfully, there isn't a damn thing you can do to tell them otherwise.

Way to twist the truth and facts. That's become a trademark of your posts. Describing B-Spec as a mode that "does the whole race for you" is misleading and not true at all. B-Spec is a race manager mode. Not a sit back and watch the AI win for you mode as you try to put it.

Just like you tried to pawn off the Audi R8 rollover video as a physics bug?

Yeah, irony is a b*tch, huh?

Kaz admitted in an interview he knew nothing about other racing games when asked if GT5P would match Forza's features. I'm not sure how you can be much harsher.

That's why he said in another video that Forza was like a low quality watch, right?

And do not even attempt to try to use Ismoke's argument when you can't even keep your own logic in check.

 

[Exorcet]

The chances are high that alot of casuals/mainstream will aquire vehicles that they will not be able to control to a safe degree online by means of rewind.

Don't race them (and realize they can get cars without rewind)
or
Help them get better
or
Realize that the guy who laps you in the next race with an inferior car and gave you the race of your life may have gotten that good with rewind training

BTW, Forza's "sleazy" route is much more attractive than adding an aracde game with its own physics to a "simulator". Rewind helps you drive, arcade games don't.