Major League Baseball: 2011 Thread

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So as I figured the Diamondbacks were good enough to win the NL West but weren't going any further. That's OK, I expected it. I think this year I'm hoping Detroit goes all the way. When's the last time they won a World Series? (if ever?)

1984. The last time they were in one was in 2006 when they lost to St. Louis. They've played in 10 World Series winning only 4 of them.


For me I kind of want the Rangers to win. Probably the classiest team in baseball, and their offense is pretty insane. Would be cool seeing them win after being mauled last year by you knew who... :)
 
They aren't the key to a winning season because they only play a fraction of the time, and even on their game day they typically don't play all 9+ innings. The MVP should be for the guy that goes out there every game and produces exceptional results through hitting, fielding and play making.

Let me ask you this - is Ryan Braun worthy? He missed a whole bunch of games due to injury. I am just baffled at your logic that because a pitcher doesn't pitch every day then he can't be the most valuable player. That is insanity logic. Do you like baseball? You sound like someone who doesn't even know or understand the sport at all.

Pitching. Is. Huge.
 
Let me ask you this - is Ryan Braun worthy? He missed a whole bunch of games due to injury. I am just baffled at your logic that because a pitcher doesn't pitch every day then he can't be the most valuable player. That is insanity logic. Do you like baseball? You sound like someone who doesn't even know or understand the sport at all.

Pitching. Is. Huge.

And you sound like someone trying to make a huge deal over one's opinion, which happens to be an opinion shared by many in the MLB, sports journalist circle and among many fans.

Yes, I watch baseball. Yes, I like baseball. I don't claim to be an expert in the sport, but I do consider myself a fan and I do enjoy the game.

Yes, pitching is a big deal but it comes from your entire bullpen, not just one guy. Just say Verlander was the only good pitcher on the Tigers, I can almost promise you they wouldn't be in the playoffs.

You need more then just one pitcher to get a team through the season and then the playoffs. Having a heavy hitter who also happens to be an outstanding fielder will get you further then one outstanding pitcher.
 
Having a heavy hitter who also happens to be an outstanding fielder will get you further then one outstanding pitcher.

Wow. I could not disagree more with this statement. :ouch:

How many times did Barry Bonds win the World Series? Who had a better offense last year - the Giants or the Phillies? Do you really think the Ichiro is more valuable than King Felix? Who is more important to the Phillies - Ryan Howard or Roy Halladay?
 
Wow. I could not disagree more with this statement. :ouch:

How many times did Barry Bonds win the World Series? Who had a better offense last year - the Giants or the Phillies? Do you really think the Ichiro is more valuable than King Felix? Who is more important to the Phillies - Ryan Howard or Roy Halladay?

You are making it sound like I'm the only one in the world with this opinion, and I keep telling you that many people agree with the opinion that a pitcher shouldn't win the MVP.

And to make it to the World Series, you can't just have one heavy hitter. You need a good all around team, yes pitching is important but not one pitcher. If you have one all-star and the rest of the bullpen is crap, you aren't going anywhere.

I think you just need to chill dude.
 
You are making it sound like I'm the only one in the world with this opinion, and I keep telling you that many people agree with the opinion that a pitcher shouldn't win the MVP.

No of course not! I won't believe that you're the only wrong person on the planet. In fact, I find myself disagreeing with sports writers all the time.

And to make it to the World Series, you can't just have one heavy hitter. You need a good all around team, yes pitching is important but not one pitcher. If you have one all-star and the rest of the bullpen is crap, you aren't going anywhere.

Thanks, Captain Obvious. The success of a team should not weigh into the discussion of whether or not a player is the MVP or not.

I think you just need to chill dude.

I think you need better arguements than telling me to relax or pointing to sports writers who agree with you. I'm not angry, tense, or any other iteration of upset. This is called passion.

What you fail to realize about an MVP-caliber pitcher is that they pick up an entire ballclub. Take a pitcher like Roy Halladay - he comes in and throws a complete game shutout one day, then doesn't pitch again for 5 days. Well that shutout took pressure off of his teams offense. The hitters didn't have to try to force through their at-bats and they can be confident that even if they make a mistake at the plate or on defense, their pitcher will be able to bail them out with that clutch strikeout. Well let's say they have a weak bullpen. Guess what? That bullpen just got a day off - they get to come into the next game more fresh then they otherwise would've been so when the number 2 starter gets himself into a jam - they can come in fresh and rested because they got the previous day off.

It's a snowball effect. When a team can look at a calendar and see that Justin Verlander is going to start on a given day, they can show up confident that they'll be able to win that game. Baseball is an almost-everyday game and what happens one day can and will spill over into the next days' game.
 
No of course not! I won't believe that you're the only wrong person on the planet. In fact, I find myself disagreeing with sports writers all the time.

I don't know how you can say I'm wrong with something that entirely opinion based? All of sports is subjective. But go ahead and think I'm wrong, there's no way a generic opinion of some kid on the internet is any better or worse then some other generic opinion of some kid on the internet.

Thanks, Captain Obvious. The success of a team should not weigh into the discussion of whether or not a player is the MVP or not.

Yes it should, if you are truly the most valuable player in the league then you must have done extraordinary things for your team, which typically means winning. If only one guy is good, that's not making a cohesive team, there no value in that. A truly valuable player will inspire the team and be a leader that generates results. I don't think a pitcher can do that since he's not out there every game or even every innings.

I think you need better arguements than telling me to relax or pointing to sports writers who agree with you. I'm not angry, tense, or any other iteration of upset. This is called passion.

You sure? You countered my points with a stupid Jackie Chan picture and saying I'm wrong. That doesn't really come across as a better argument to me.

What you fail to realize about an MVP-caliber pitcher is that they pick up an entire ballclub. Take a pitcher like Roy Halladay - he comes in and throws a complete game shutout one day, then doesn't pitch again for 5 days. Well that shutout took pressure off of his teams offense. The hitters didn't have to try to force through their at-bats and they can be confident that even if they make a mistake at the plate or on defense, their pitcher will be able to bail them out with that clutch strikeout. Well let's say they have a weak bullpen. Guess what? That bullpen just got a day off - they get to come into the next game more fresh then they otherwise would've been so when the number 2 starter gets himself into a jam - they can come in fresh and rested because they got the previous day off.

It's a snowball effect. When a team can look at a calendar and see that Justin Verlander is going to start on a given day, they can show up confident that they'll be able to win that game. Baseball is an almost-everyday game and what happens one day can and will spill over into the next days' game.

So what I'm getting from this is that you're saying a good pitcher makes an entire ball club lazy?

Putting all your chips on one man is the worse thing you can do as a sports team, it's how one little injury can change your entire season for the worse. Or let's just say that pitcher is having an off day, he starts strong but by the 4th inning he bombs it. That leaves the rest of your team over confident and susceptible to errors. Not a good thing.

But to further my point here Verlander played 34 games this season out of 162 games. That means he only played in 21% of the games, I just don't think that's enough play time swing the club's moral dramatically or even have the biggest impact. The most valuable player should be the one that's out there a majority of the games making plays, getting runs and winning games.
 
I like how you can jump from the notion of a successful start being able to pick up an entire ballclub into it making the whole team lazy. I'm through with this discussion.

Oh and as a final parting shot; opinions can be wrong.
 
I like how you can jump from the notion of a successful start being able to pick up an entire ballclub into it making the whole team lazy. I'm through with this discussion.

Well you were insinuating that a team doesn't need to try as hard when they have a good pitcher, to me that sounds like you are saying a good pitcher makes a team lazy. In order to be good a ball club needs to go out there every game and give it their all...unless it ends up a laugher. But even then they should never let the confidence get the better of them.

And if you're done so be it, no hard feelings.

Oh and as a final parting shot; opinions can be wrong.

That's ok, it ended up as a pop fly which was easily caught for the out because of a poorly placed swing. :lol:
 
We're down, but we're surely not out....yet. :D

Yeah because you didn't play like the 2010 Braves :lol:

Don't make errors and you can win. If I were Gibson I would tell the crew to spray low liners to Braun... Expose the fact he is a terrible fielder. And of course hit another grand slam, that will help.

I'm enjoying watching the playoffs this year. A lot of good close games. Except for last night there was two blowouts.
 
Done. :D:tup:

Edit: Game 5. 👍

Wolf is one of those pitchers that can't the Giants can't seem to ever beat. Even when he was with the Dodgers. His command is always perfect. We kill good pitchers and get pwned by pitchers with bad command.

Brewers are rubbish on the road so I had a feeling something like this would happen. They played like crap.

3 games 5's this is getting intense. If I were to put money on a team it would be on the Rangers. Strong in all facets of the game, much stronger then last year.

But I've really enjoyed the way the Cardinals have played so far. Going with out Holliday until today, doing the little things right. Pujols throwing out Utley at third was amazing. Honestly, there bullpen is so much better then I can remember.

I wish the Giants would fire Bochy and hire Francona. That is the best move they could do this off season.
 
What I would like to see in the next couple days:

Detroit > New York

St Louis > Philadelphia

Arizona > Milwaulkee

My ideal World Series would consist of Arizona and Detroit. :D
 
An Arizona v Detroit World Series would be great. I'm sceptical Detroit can do it tonight though, but we will see.
 
My God the Detroit game was intense. I really didn't think they were going to be able to do it but I'm really happy they pulled it off. New York played a helluva series so I can't fault them on that.
 
That was a close one. My Braves are out, but the Cards are my second favorite team, I hope they advance tomorrow....... Phillies are great though. If they win tomorrow, I'd be following them & the Tigers.
 
Kennedy is pitching damn ****ing good. Uptons solo shot is the difference so far. After the first two games I kind of wanted to see the Dbacks to come back and shut everyone up. So far they've done that.
 
Tied now. :( Could have been much worse though...

Edit: Think this one is pretty much over.

Edit 2: Damn, Shaw just putting them down with three strikeouts... :eek:
 
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Woohoo, I'm loving this excellent game 5 baseball that's been going on. Playoffs are supposed to be like this.
 
Joey D
Woohoo, I'm loving this excellent game 5 baseball that's been going on. Playoffs are supposed to be like this.

Exactly great games so far and it's only the division series! Still 0 out.
 
So the team with the best record in baseball get's knocked out. How 'bout that.

Detroit vs. St. Louis World Series?
 

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