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Cars being considered for a club spec 1-make list (tuning prohibited) (cars to have ready)


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The usual run at Tsukuba:

1:12.717 -- Toyota Celica XX 2800GT '81
1:12.498 -- Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 '65
1:12.475 -- Mazda MX-5 (NA) '89
1:12.370 -- Toyota MR2 1600 G '86
1:12.236 -- Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R (KPGC110) '73
1:11.398 -- Nissan Fairlady 240ZG (HS30) '71
1:11.392 -- Toyota 2000GT '67
1:10.950 -- Honda CR-X del Sol SiR '92
1:10.764 -- Audi quattro '82
1:10.289 -- Mazda Savanna RX-7 GT-Limited (FC) '85
1:10.286 -- BMW 2002 Turbo '73
1:10.089 -- Nissan Silvia K's (S13) '88
1:10.066 -- Chevrolet Corvette Coupe (C2) '63
1:10.008 -- Mitsubishi Galant 2.0 DOHC Turbo VR-4 '89
1:09.971 -- Honda Prelude Si VTEC '91
1:09.289 -- Buick GNX '87
1:08.959 -- Toyota Supra 3.0GT Turbo A '88

Mildly surprised by some of the times. Tsukuba seems to bring out some special qualities.

Also @tarnheld , something that I occurred to me in my own testing and also looking at amarynceos' times ... should we maybe introduce something like a tie between two cars in the ordering process of one set of times? ... because if the times are inside of 0.1s or so (or inside of 0.01s like it is twice above), we're somewhere in margin of error territory.

Which brings me to @watermelon punch 's post of the historic list. I assume how you ordered does not reflect the final order...?
 
Also @tarnheld , something that I occurred to me in my own testing and also looking at amarynceos' times ... should we maybe introduce something like a tie between two cars in the ordering process of one set of times? ... because if the times are inside of 0.1s or so (or inside of 0.01s like it is twice above), we're somewhere in margin of error territory.

Yeah, but it's a bit fiddly as the cutoff would depend on track times and test driver time spread somehow. Not sure about finding the right balance here... :confused: Normally more testers get a good tie breaker, but the Historic list has some special candidates in it... ;)

Which brings me to @watermelon punch 's post of the historic list. I assume how you ordered does not reflect the final order...?

Yeah, it's a bit behind, as i haven't found the time to put in the latest TT data from you and @amarynceos in the spreadsheet. :dunce: Will do ASAP and report back, but i guess there could be some unusual ordering at the end. That brings me to an idea: find out the most controversial cars, i.e. the car-pairs where most testers disagree in the order... :P
 
Yeah, but it's a bit fiddly as the cutoff would depend on track times and test driver time spread somehow. Not sure about finding the right balance here... :confused: Normally more testers get a good tie breaker, but the Historic list has some special candidates in it... ;)

Yeah, it's a bit behind, as i haven't found the time to put in the latest TT data from you and @amarynceos in the spreadsheet. :dunce: Will do ASAP and report back, but i guess there could be some unusual ordering at the end. That brings me to an idea: find out the most controversial cars, i.e. the car-pairs where most testers disagree in the order... :P

I was just referring to your matrix and "car x beats car y"-values, which are absolute between two cars, no matter what the time-difference was. But I think I forgot if the basis for the ordering was that or time-difference was taken into account anyway. I probably have to read up on the mathrobatics again. :lol:

Yup, there were some cars with very similar lap times. Will be a good test of the system. ;)
 
I was just referring to your matrix and "car x beats car y"-values, which are absolute between two cars, no matter what the time-difference was. But I think I forgot if the basis for the ordering was that or time-difference was taken into account anyway. I probably have to read up on the mathrobatics again. :lol:

Right now if we have this

Car X 1:23.456
Car Y 1:23.457

Car X is faster than Car Y, and gets +1 in the Car X/Car Y entry. If i understood you correctly, we could add a threshold like 0.001 s, then neither Car X nor Car Y would get a +1 -- a tie. But how to find the correct threshold? We could go with a fixed one like 0.01 sec, this would be the same as leaving away the last thousands decimal in all TT times. But it really should be based on the time spread for all TT times of the driver on that track. Maybe something like 0.25% so a TT time spread of 16s would get a threshold of 4 tenths.
 
Right now if we have this

Car X 1:23.456
Car Y 1:23.457

Car X is faster than Car Y, and gets +1 in the Car X/Car Y entry. If i understood you correctly, we could add a threshold like 0.001 s, then neither Car X nor Car Y would get a +1 -- a tie. But how to find the correct threshold? We could go with a fixed one like 0.01 sec, this would be the same as leaving away the last thousands decimal in all TT times. But it really should be based on the time spread for all TT times of the driver on that track. Maybe something like 0.25% so a TT time spread of 16s would get a threshold of 4 tenths.

I love how you're taking the ball and running with it. :lol:

Ideally, and I really do mean this hypothetically, because I would by no means expect you to incorporate any of this, I would consider a difference of 0.1s between two cars of the same set of testing times as being within the margin of error, so two times within that margin would be considered "too close to call". The faster or more difficult to drive a car is, the higher that figure might be, but to put an order of magnitude on it, let's say it's that one tenth. (I just picked 0.1s, because I asked myself if you could honestly say that you couldn't have driven the car 0.1s faster sort of by accident, if you've just driven 3 or 4 laps? In such a case any ordering is purely random.)

So, e.g. if you have this...

1:10.089 -- Nissan Silvia K's (S13) '88
1:10.066 -- Chevrolet Corvette Coupe (C2) '63
1:10.008 -- Mitsubishi Galant 2.0 DOHC Turbo VR-4 '89
1:09.971 -- Honda Prelude Si VTEC '91

All of the above would be considered ties except Nissan/Honda, because that one is 0.118. Bearing in mind the gaps tend to be much bigger for more inexperienced drivers, one could make it adaptive to the spread like you suggested, but that is maybe overdoing it (and assuming that a bigger spread automatically means less driver accuracy - I'm not convinced that is necessarily true). My concerns were merely to find a way to make the system clearer by reducing the white noise. If you have truly equal cars, you will nevertheless get different testing times for everyone that's testing them. And as we have a very limited number of data sets (something like 5), cars that are really close can end up in the wrong order pretty easily. Say 4 of the 5 are within 0.1s, but all in favour of car A. That could still be the outcome with truly equal cars. But if tester #5 was quicker in car B by 0.5s that would be the deciding factor (and I think rightly so).

Using too big a threshold will reduce the information unnecessarily though, so it should definitely not be chosen too high.

I think in such a case where 2 cars are within 0.1s in one set of times, the respective elements in the matrix a(ij) and a(ji), both could be increased by 0.5 instead of 0/1. Or something.
 
Pre-Millennium Sportscars

Suzuka 2014, SM tyres
Lap time, Speed End-of-straight, Top Speed SSRX, Car model

2:22,799 216 286L Honda S2000 '99
2:21,860 235 340 Aston Martin DB7 Vantage Coupe '00
2:20,858 232 330L Jaguar XKR Coupe '99
2:20,567 245 342 Aston Martin V8 Vantage '99
2:20,481 228 321 Honda NSX Type S '99
2:20,139 226 314 Nissan Skyline GT-R V-Spec N1 (R34) '99
2:20,114 225 284L Mazda RX-7 Type RS (FD) '98
2:19,958 230 321 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport (C4) '96
2:18,859 231 325 Honda NSX Type S Zero '99
2:17,687 240 339 TVR Griffith 500 '94
2:17,357 238 318 Nismo 400R '96
2:17,235 229 301L Honda NSX Type R '92
2:17,032 237 305L Lotus Esprit V8 SE '98
2:15,892 245 346 SRT Viper GTS '99
2:15,470 244 310L TVR Cerbera Speed 6 '97
2:15,366 237 312 Nismo Skyline GT-R R-tune (R34) '99
2:13,825 244 274L Lotus Esprit Sport 350 '00
2:13,306 265 360 Cizeta V16T '94
2:12,834 263 380 RUF CTR2 '96
2:11,914 260 370 Ferrari F40 '92
2:09,044 259 338 Jaguar XJ220 '92
2:07,850 272 301L Lamborghini Diablo GT '00

Some notes:
- I've already filtered the list down to 16 cars (bold). I have included the others for reference purposes.
- I am aware that the Corvette is already on another list, but there's only one other US car, so I've included it.
- There are 2 Honda NSX on the list. I originally had only the Type R '92, but due to a rather big gap in the list, it's necessary to include the Type S Zero '99. If the consensus should require one of them to be cut, it would have to be the Type R.
- There is a 2 second gap between the Nismo and the Cizeta, but this is something I'm not that worried about. The reason is that this will narrow down considerably on slower tracks, since the 3 top cars are quite a handful and they will not let you get the best out of them on every single lap. I expect the real gap in races therefore to be rather moderate.
- If you haven't tried the Cizeta, chances are you will hate it. It's similar to the Stratos on steroids. If people find it undriveable, we can talk about cutting it. I would actually have liked to fill the gap with the Lotus Esprit Sport 350, but unfortunately that one has limiter problems.
- I would also have liked to include the XJ220 and Diablo, but the XJ220 is already about 3 seconds faster than the F40, and much easier to drive on top of that. The Diablo is even quicker, and unfortunately also runs into the limiter on a number of tracks, even though that's beyond 300km/h. So both really are out of the question. At least the XJ220 could find its way onto another list though…

Enjoy testing… ;)
 
I think in such a case where 2 cars are within 0.1s in one set of times, the respective elements in the matrix a(ij) and a(ji), both could be increased by 0.5 instead of 0/1. Or something.

Right now, if there is a tie it's like no test was done for this car-pair. This is undesirable as there was a test actually, but the info is thrown away. So your hint is really good, need to think that through... 👍

Actually the testing system as of now is pretty robust against the small TT differences, they just cancel out being random. But if there is one big outlier for someone who tested many cars (say a car that is at the slower end for one tester, but in the faster end for all others), it disturbs the ordering significantly. But it's hard to tell if it is just a fluke or really a handicap of the car at the particular track. Lists like Historic are susceptible as the time spread of the list is small, and the tests were done on short tracks.

Pre-Millennium Sportscars

Spreadsheet created! 👍 To all testers, keep 'em times coming! I hope i can contribute some tests too, there are some some yummy cars inside like the V8 Vantage, the Griffith, the Cizeta (who can't like a car designed by Gandini and equipped with two V8 engines? :drool:) and the F40. :D
 
Right now, if there is a tie it's like no test was done for this car-pair. This is undesirable as there was a test actually, but the info is thrown away. So your hint is really good, need to think that through... 👍

Actually the testing system as of now is pretty robust against the small TT differences, they just cancel out being random. But if there is one big outlier for someone who tested many cars (say a car that is at the slower end for one tester, but in the faster end for all others), it disturbs the ordering significantly. But it's hard to tell if it is just a fluke or really a handicap of the car at the particular track. Lists like Historic are susceptible as the time spread of the list is small, and the tests were done on short tracks.

Yeah, there's the danger that one thinks only of circuits that fit a certain list and then many people choose race-combinations that go exactly against that. Once you race Low Power at Le Mans without chicanes, the whole list ordering falls apart, because it's basically just a matter of who's got more power.

Spreadsheet created! 👍 To all testers, keep 'em times coming! I hope i can contribute some tests too, there are some some yummy cars inside like the V8 Vantage, the Griffith, the Cizeta (who can't like a car designed by Gandini and equipped with two V8 engines? :drool:) and the F40. :D

It's sometimes a little hard to keep loving those iconic cars once they turn out to be awful drives. :lol: Nevertheless, this list has some really nice handling cars especially in the midfield (RX-7 to Nismo). Also the S2000 at #1 is a must. You don't get power with it, but it will be a pesky competitor for much more powerful cars on some tracks. I think it's important that, even if someone has won the last race, they don't feel punished with having to drive the next car at #1. ;)
 
Car Test Driving & Info Gathering

These are assignments in "batches"... and if you complete these assignments, you get a prize pick for a car list & track combo for an upcoming series/event that you will participate in racing. 👍

Please post to this thread with your intention of completing the batch, so that I can mark it as being claimed so 2 people don't bother doing the same batch at the same time. :)
The deadline would be that you should either get them done within a week of posting here that you intend to, or at least post back in the thread if you're not making that deadline, to let us know you're still working on it. So no hard deadline, just don't forget about us. lol


BATCH B
TOP SPEED (mph) measured by driving it out on SSRX until it tops out (in the downhill at least)
Verify if the car goes into the redline or hits the limiter, or tops out before the limiter.
COMFORT SOFT TIRES
Suzuki SWIFT Sport '05
Citroen C4 Coupe 2.0VTS '05
Ford Focus ST170 '03
Mini Cooper S '11
Peugeot 207 GTi '07
Renaultsport Clio Renault Sport 2.0 16V '02
Mazda Kusabi Concept '03

BATCH D
TOP SPEED (mph) measured by driving it out on SSRX until it tops out (in the downhill at least)
Verify if the car goes into the redline or hits the limiter, or tops out before the limiter.
SPORTS HARD TIRES
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II GSR '94
Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX Version S TwinTurbo 2seater (Z32) '98
Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Coupe '97
TVR V8S '91
Subaru IMPREZA Sport Wagon WRX STi Version VI '99
Nissan SKYLINE GT-R V・spec II (R32) '94
Lotus Elise Sport 190 '98

BATCH E
TOP SPEED (mph) measured by driving it out on SSRX until it tops out (in the downhill at least)
Verify if the car goes into the redline or hits the limiter, or tops out before the limiter.
PP AFTER OIL CHANGE confirmation
Isuzu 117 Coupé '68
Isuzu Bellett 1600 GT-R '69
Lotus Europa S.2 '68
Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex (AE86) '83

More will be added as needed.

THANK YOU. :) :cheers:
not sure if i will be able to do some of the races in the future, but this sounds like a neat idea to have shuffle races back. So I can help to do these batches for you tomorrow. Maybe till friday. Ofcourse if no one is completing them.

Edit: with testing i ould help too, but not that much time right now.
 
All three Batches done, hope i didnt forgot anything. And hope you understand it all :)

Document in RTF, packed in ZIP archive
 

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HISTORIC LIST

  1. Toyota MR2 1600 G '86
  2. Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 '65
  3. Toyota Celica XX 2800GT '81
  4. Mazda MX-5 (NA) '89
  5. Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R (KPGC110) '73
  6. Honda CR-X del Sol SiR '92
  7. Toyota 2000GT '67
  8. Nissan Fairlady 240ZG (HS30) '71
  9. BMW 2002 Turbo '73
  10. Chevrolet Corvette Coupe (C2) '63
  11. Honda Prelude Si VTEC '91
  12. Audi quattro '82
  13. Mazda Savanna RX-7 GT-Limited (FC) '85
  14. Buick GNX '87
  15. Toyota Supra 3.0GT Turbo A '88

I keep forgetting to do my other 2 tests. :guilty:
Now I can't find where I was told which ones to re-test. :boggled: :nervous:

Help? ^^
 
All three Batches done, hope i didnt forgot anything. And hope you understand it all :)

Document in RTF, packed in ZIP archive

Finished going through it.

:bowdown:

THanks!
The spreadsheet is now more filled in, and more accurate.
(With the pp corrections. 👍)
This is very helpful.

Oh, and don't forget to make your picks!!
(3 car list track combos)
Scheduled series (Sundays, Tuesdays, or Fridays) - whichever you think you'll make the most. 👍 Or you can split them up.
 
@watermelon punch: :lol: Sorry for the testing mess. :lol:

Please retest these two:

Chevrolet Corvette Coupe (C2) '63
Honda Prelude Si VTEC '91

They have an unusual TT time. I predict they will bubble all the way down to the GNX, while staying together. :)

The slower 4 cars could need more testing, too, they are close together, here is a link to the preliminary list with TT gaps.
All cars with less than 5 comparisons and with orange cells in the checks need more testing.
 
Here is the list as of now, for details see here:

1.08 Toyota MR2 1600 G '86
1.40 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 '65
1.89 Toyota Celica XX 2800GT '81
2.84 Mazda MX-5 (NA) '89
3.60 Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R (KPGC110) '73
5.86 Honda CR-X del Sol SiR '92
6.02 Toyota 2000GT '67
6.05 Nissan Fairlady 240ZG (HS30) '71

8.59 BMW 2002 Turbo '73
8.94 Audi quattro '82
9.18 Mazda Savanna RX-7 GT-Limited (FC) '85
11.00 Honda Prelude Si VTEC '91
11.75 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe (C2) '63
13.20 Buick GNX '87
13.60 Toyota Supra 3.0GT Turbo A '88

Bold cars should be tested more, they lie close TT wise. The first 3 slowest cars are pretty even TT wise, so we should just fix the order as is if no one has any quarrels with it.
 
Mm. Can't say I like the MR2 as #1. The Celica is almost certainly the slowest out of those three, the MR2 was 4th slowest for me at Tsukuba and so far 5th slowest at Laguna Seca:


1:53.455 -- Toyota Celica XX 2800GT '81
1:52.556 -- Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 '65
1:52.210 -- Mazda MX-5 (NA) '89
1:51.982 -- Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R (KPGC110) '73
1:51.805 -- Toyota MR2 1600 G '86

I'll have a full set of times at Laguna in a day or two.
 
Well, let's put it this way... if the mr2 isn't the slowest - the axe comes down. :indiff:
Because we won't have another situation where average drivers place 4th and then get in the MR2 and wind up off track half the time miserable in last place every time they get it.
That's not fun.
 
Indeed, I fully agree.

I also don't think we'd like a situation where one of the true aliens wins, gets the MR2 and then proceeds to put it on the podium, maybe even on the top step. The R5 used to irritate me in the original Legends list for that reason, though it doesn't seem to be as much of an issue with the revision.

Would be sad to see it go, the MR2 is a really nice car, and tremendously fun to push to the limit. But it's got to be properly placed to be kept.

And it could be that my two test tracks just really happen to suit its strengths.
 
Yeah it's a shame, but I think that issue is that only an alien will get it out in the open soon enough to push the limit. And only in certain circumstances.

With the stratos, you can pull away and usually with the spins, it's the drivers own fault in the Stratos... driver error, not race conditions. IE: not door to door dangers.

That was also the problem with the 90s MR2 (before it got cut)... when the average driver would try to get the full potential... they wound up creating massive race incidents :eek: from the risks it provided door-to-door. :ill:
But if you drove it carefully so as to strictly adhere to good track etiquette in a pack of cars - you would immediately lose out to the stable cars who had no such worries. :grumpy:

We don't want to create situations where being rule abiding about cornering rights is going to cause people to lose in certain cars.

The 90s Sports has this problem still on some tracks. Lancer Evo vs NSX is a big problem.
NSX - you can put the power down - but you really risk wrecking another car that's close by.
I've had to throw races, in essence, in the NSX in order to take the clean racing high road and that's frustrating enough. :grumpy:

What happens is that some cars around are so super-stable, that it winds up being that people in some of the cars have to baby the more difficult cars so much just to not make a nuisance on the track.
If you're behind, beside, or in front of other more stable cars... trying to maneuver around their movements & surprises, or their taps & waggles... then forget about it. :(

I was so worried about hitting Tarnheld as he would come up to pass on Cape Ring... that I had to slow just because I worried that if I took the car for what it could do, I would exponentially increase the risk of colliding... so he was able to pass me in the Lancer Evo like I was standing still.
And the Lancers dominated the podium.

So it was really annoying when it's the 🤬 #3 car.
And I fully realize that anyone in that race who didn't see the test drive lap times, was thinking... that Lancer Evo is too fast to be the #3 car. It's in the wrong place in the list... it's too good. :rolleyes:
Well given a time trial - it's NOT that good. But given tight & dicey racing conditions - you can't hope to have a more stable car.

Because it's only because the car is stable... and people tend to be more confident that they're not going to wreck themselves or others too easily. And it also recovers out of grass & sand like nobody's business... so what if you go off with understeer at a turn? Just get back on the track & go... while most of the other cars are tip-toe trying not to dip a wheel into the grass. :nervous: Because the minute you get sand in the tires with some cars... you're shaking it off still 2 turns later.
*sigh*

Sorry, I'm starting to rant. :lol:
It's just that the Lancer Evo in the 90s list brings back unpleasant memories of crappy shuffle rooms where they'd keep the shuffle ratio at zero, and keep the PP at 420 or whatever it was, and then half the grid would get the Lancer and have an exciting race up front after barging everyone else in T1, and the rest of the room would be driving around 20 seconds behind everyone, all spread out.
 
Tsukuba Test - 10 min TT, 5 top cars, about which you talk about, done, if it helps..

01:14,533 - - - Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 '65
01:14,464 - - - Toyota MR2 1600 G '86
01:13,550 - - - Toyota Celica XX 2800GT '81
01:13,042 - - - Mazda MX-5 (NA) '89
01:12,777 - - - Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R (KPGC110) '73

More to come..
 
With the NSX and the Lancer at Cape Ring, the track was also playing a big part... the undulations at Cape, I've been finding, can be really upsetting to MRs. (See: my misadventures in the Stratos some time back. :scared: ) This definitely magnifies the amount of 'babying' that some MRs need, and plays into the hands of the super-stable Lancer. I'm not underplaying the dynamic you've described, I certainly agree with it. It's just stronger at Cape than it might be at most other tracks.
 
RE: Lancer vs NSX
Oh yeah without a doubt it's certain tracks more than others.
I've been making note of it actually for future scheduling purposes. :lol:

Also, I'm working on taxes tonight so I'm not at my most patient sounding. :mad::crazy:
 
Oh, and don't forget to make your picks!!
(3 car list track combos)
Scheduled series (Sundays, Tuesdays, or Fridays) - whichever you think you'll make the most. 👍 Or you can split them up.
Ok, let's make things easier, here are my picks:

Tuesday 17. 3.
(can be here only this day for couple of days - silly schedule at work :banghead:)

H
ot Hatches @ Tsukuba v2 version (using that extra turn on right, directly after Dunlop Arch, or, if it's better explained, just before T2 split). :mischievous::P

Hot Hatches @ London

Retro @ Grand Valley East reverse

PS: sorry for the date if it is full already, I can hold some of them until i could make it to the track again.

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Tsukuba 10 min. TT trials, equal conditions, here are results:

01:14,533 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 '65
01:14,464 Toyota MR2 1600 G '86
01:13,550 Toyota Celica XX 2800GT '81
01:13,042 Mazda MX-5 (NA) '89
01:12,837 Toyota 2000GT '67
01:12,777 Nissan Skyline 2000GT-R (KPGC110) '73
01:12,050 Honda CR-X del Sol SiR '92
01:11,834 Nissan Fairlady 240ZG (HS30) '71
01:11,581 Audi quattro '82
01:11,268 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe (C2) '63
01:11,168 Mazda Savanna RX-7 GT-Limited (FC) '85
01:11,087 BMW 2002 Turbo '73
01:11,007 Honda Prelude Si VTEC '91
01:10,770 Buick GNX '87
01:09,963 Toyota Supra 3.0GT Turbo A '88

Statement for my future TT's @ Tsukuba:
All future tests i will perform on 2nd layout(with extra turn before T2 split) so i guess if noone will use it for tests there won't be possible comparison.
End of statement.
 
Hot Hatches @ Tsukuba v2 version (using that extra turn on right, directly after Dunlop Arch, or, if it's better explained, just before T2 split). :mischievous::P

Statement for my future TT's @ Tsukuba:
All future tests i will perform on 2nd layout(with extra turn before T2 split) so i guess if noone will use it for tests there won't be possible comparison.
End of statement.

:lol: :sly:
@Mires
I think you belong in that controversial thread "Motorcycles in GT6?" :lol:
Actually I don't know which is the controversial one that became a bees nest, because there are more than one motorcycle thread in the GT6 forum. :odd: Also have NO idea how it became a bees nest - I only know about the thread because someone in my news feed liked a bunch of posts in the thread. :odd: :lol: :boggled:

Anyway, yes, the schedules are made about 1 week in advance.
In the case of the parity races (like Tuesday), they are sometimes made more than 1 week in advance.
But you can save your picks! 👍
Or pick when for another week when you know your schedule.

Not sure if you will get people on board to use the extra turn though. 💡
Might be a tough one. :odd:

We have enough trouble detailing normal track boundaries. :lol::scared:
(Have you seen yet the "Track Boundaries Directory"? :crazy: - it's in the racing thread OP - behind a "spoiler" button - for good reason!)

I don't know the name of that extra turn... but I bet @John Wells would know it. 💡 :D
Calling @John Wells !! ;)
 
:lol: :sly:
@Mires
I think you belong in that controversial thread "Motorcycles in GT6?" :lol:
Actually I don't know which is the controversial one that became a bees nest, because there are more than one motorcycle thread in the GT6 forum. :odd: Also have NO idea how it became a bees nest - I only know about the thread because someone in my news feed liked a bunch of posts in the thread. :odd: :lol: :boggled:

Anyway, yes, the schedules are made about 1 week in advance.
In the case of the parity races (like Tuesday), they are sometimes made more than 1 week in advance.
But you can save your picks! 👍
Or pick when for another week when you know your schedule.

Not sure if you will get people on board to use the extra turn though. 💡
Might be a tough one. :odd:

We have enough trouble detailing normal track boundaries. :lol::scared:
(Have you seen yet the "Track Boundaries Directory"? :crazy: - it's in the racing thread OP - behind a "spoiler" button - for good reason!)

I don't know the name of that extra turn... but I bet @John Wells would know it. 💡 :D
Calling @John Wells !! ;)
nope, never heard about any Moto in GT6 thread. :D sorry if this is making any issues, didn't thought about. Well, in OP's is lots of reading i might forgot something by a coincidence. Will have a closer look later :)
 
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