Makeshift Shuffle Club - Time Trials & Testing for club car lists - all welcomeOpen 

Cars being considered for a club spec 1-make list (tuning prohibited) (cars to have ready)

  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .
You might be right, i think i was biased because of the last Low Power/Limbo Stick race results on Spa/Matterhorn/SSR5. And worse, just realized i completely missed @watermelon punch's remarks earlier in the thread that the Volvo should come after the Ka :dunce: -- i second that, this could be the right remedy.
 
Low Power testing continued. (Part VI)

Part I
Part II
Part III
Part IV
Part V

1:48,163 122 168 226L Mazda Eunos Roadster SR-Limited (NA) '97
1:48,126 125 171 238 Toyota Starlet Glanza V '97
1:48,006 124 172 245L Alfa Romeo 147 2.0 Twin Spark '02
1:47,879 124 172 223L Lexus IS200 '98
1:47,823 128 178 240L Mazda Lantis Coupe 2000 Type R '93
1:47,816 124 171 213L Peugeot 206 S16 '99
1:47,638 125 173 238 Abarth Grande Punto '09
1:47,613 122 170 252 BMW 120i '04
1:47,389 127 174 214L Toyota Vitz RS Turbo '02
1:47,311 124 173 241L Nissan Silvia Q's Aero (S14) '96
1:47,170 125 174 260 Nissan Silvia Varietta (S15) '00
1:47,159 133 185 258L Honda Prelude Type S '98
1:47,112 128 177 263L Toyota Celica 2000GT-Four (ST165) '86
1:47,064 129 180 247L Honda CR-X del Sol SiR '92
1:46,982 128 175 241 Pontiac Vibe GT '03
1:46,969 129 181 268L Citroën C5 V6 Exclusive '03
1:46,941 130 180 259 Toyota Corolla RunX Z Aerotourer '02
1:46,901 131 178 259 Chevrolet SSR '03
1:46,827 126 175 243L Nissan Fairlady 2000 (SR311) '68
1:46,744 132 184 269 Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0i V6 24V '01
1:46,726 126 178 241L Toyota 2000GT '67
1:46,667 131 185 250L Toyota Celica SS-II (ST202) '97
1:46,646 127 175 254 Mazda Atenza Sport 25Z '07
1:46,606 129 178 247 Citroën C4 Coupe 2.0 VTS '05
1:46,548 127 177 264L Hyundai Tuscani CCS '03
1:46,528 124 172 251 Mazda Roadster 1.8 RS (NB) '98
1:46,521 125 174 238L Hyundai Tiburon Turbulence '99
1:46,516 131 182 257L Alfa Romeo 156 2.5 V6 24V '98
1:46,499 132 181 269 Opel Vectra 3.2 V6 '03
1:46,496 128 177 250 Nissan Fairlady 240ZG (HS30) '71

- Eunos SR '97, Lexus IS200, Mazda Lantis, Peugeot 206 S16, CR-X del Sol, Toyota 2000GT & Celica '97 top out at SSR7, but not at Monza NC.
 
I've been too unwell to do any testing that would be fair to me or fair to the cars. :lol: :ouch:
Just looking at someone else doing that Matterhorn seasonal made me want to lie down. :scared:

It definitely appears that the Low Power list will need more testing, and probably more adjustments.

The limbo stick list is just very low power cars, and just the nature of that could make it very misleading depending on track & driver and like @snowgt said, where the combination started on the starting grid. Starting grid position is 10x more significant with the limbo stick cars compared to the Perf Coupes or even the Historic list... simply because the cars don't go very fast and the race would have to be quite long (undesirably so) on some tracks, to negate the starting grid position as much.
So yeah, expect misleading results in most of the lowest power tests. So many factors involved.
Especially that one tiny mistake in the really low power cars... and you lose momentum. So a seemingly large performance gap isn't really that large at all, considering that losing momentum can set you back even more. :eek:
 
Off topic, but did anyone notice a change in brake balance on some cars in 1.18? The new VW VGT has a well adjusted brake balance right from the start, could use the full pedal travel with ABS0. Then i did the Expert A-Spec Seasonal on Midfield with the 330P4 with ABS0, BB 5/5. Normally it would lock up if you brake fully, but now i could slam the brakes on straights without any lockup. I remember that for cars with racing brakes you could barely use half the brake pedal travel without lockup when on BB 5/5. :odd:
 
Low Power testing continued. (Part VII)

Part I
Part II
Part III
Part IV
Part V
Part VI

1:46,475 126 176 263 Toyota MR2 1600 G-Limited Super Charger '86
1:46,402 125 177 246 Alfa Romeo MiTo 1.4 T Sport '09
1:46,276 132 181 262 Lancia Delta HF Integrale Evoluzione '91
1:46,265 127 177 258 Mazda Atenza Sports 23Z '03
1:46,232 135 187 289 Ford Taurus SHO '98
1:46,148 129 179 247 Mini Cooper S Countryman (R60) '11
1:46,097 132 183 250L Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder GTS '03
1:46,028 130 181 258L Hyundai Tuscani '01
1:46,024 129 177 259L Nissan Skyline GTS25 Type S (R32) '91
1:46,018 135 187 280 Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 24V '01
1:45,880 129 180 274 Mitsubishi GTO SR '98
1:45,869 129 181 250 Mini Cooper S '07
1:45,856 125 174 259 BMW 120d '04
1:45,806 127 177 254L Pontiac Sunfire GXP Concept '02
1:45,805 127 178 259 Mazda Axela 23S '03
1:45,752 129 180 261 Ford Focus ST170 '03
1:45,744 130 179 247L Honda Civic SiR-II (EG) '95
1:45,743 132 186 298 Plymouth XNR Ghia Roadster '60
1:45,684 127 176 258L MG TF160 '03
1:45,644 132 186 257L Honda Prelude Type S '96
1:45,598 128 176 223L BMW 2002 Turbo '73
1:45,527 131 183 257L Audi TT Coupe 1.8T quattro '00
1:45,522 132 181 261 Mitsubishi Mirage Cyborg ZR '97
1:45,501 131 180 270 Toyota Sprinter Trueno BZ-R '98
1:45,500 127 176 258L Nissan Silvia spec-S Aero (S15) '99
1:45,428 132 180 260 Audi quattro '82
1:45,424 131 181 255L Mini Cooper S '05
1:45,380 136 186 242L Mercedes-Benz 300 SL Coupé '54
1:45,373 131 181 245L Nissan Skyline Hard Top 2000 Turbo RS (R30) '83
1:45,367 134 185 275 Toyota Celica GT-Four RC (ST185) '91

- Mitsubishi Eclipse, Prelude, 300SL & Skyline '83 top out at SSR7, but not at Monza NC.
 
Low Power testing continued. (Part VIII)

Part I
Part II
Part III
Part IV
Part V
Part VI
Part VII

1:45,356 128 177 252L MG MGF '97
1:45,336 134 187 258L Honda Prelude SiR S spec '98
1:45,333 130 182 241L Honda Accord Euro-R '00
1:45,331 130 183 256L Peugeot RCZ '10
1:45,292 133 184 280 Nissan Primera 20V '01
1:45,228 128 178 229L Toyota MR-S S Edition '99
1:45,208 132 180 250 Mitsubishi Galant 2.0 DOHC Turbo VR-4 '89
1:45,174 131 181 264 Mitsubishi FTO GR '97
1:45,172 136 186 263L Honda Prelude Si VTEC '91
1:45,168 134 187 293 Alfa Romeo Brera Sky Window 3.2 JTS Q4 '06
1:45,136 129 181 247L Honda CR-X SiR '90
1:45,067 134 185 267 Volvo C30 R-Design '09
1:45,036 136 188 286 Acura CL 3.2 Type-S '01
1:45,003 131 179 266 Mazda Savanna RX-7 GT-Limited (FC) '85
1:44,933 131 181 260 Mini Cooper S '02
1:44,903 132 183 240L Peugeot 206 RC '03
1:44,896 135 184 270 Mitsubishi Airtrek Turbo-R '02
1:44,887 131 182 262 Honda Civic Type R (EK) '97
1:44,859 130 182 260L Toyota Celica SS-II (ZZT231) '99
1:44,837 127 175 261 Mazda MX-5 1800 RS (NB, J) '04
1:44,832 132 183 271 Nissan Skyline GTS-R (R31) '87
1:44,824 130 182 248 Mini Cooper S '11
1:44,794 127 175 259 Mazda Roadster 1800 RS (NB) '04
1:44,735 136 187 274 Mitsubishi Legnum VR-4 Type V '98
1:44,709 131 180 247L Nissan Silvia K's Dia Selection (S13) '90
1:44,676 131 180 247L Nissan Silvia K's (S13) '88
1:44,636 131 180 233L Peugeot 207 GTi '07
1:44,600 137 188 250L Fiat Coupe Turbo Plus '00
1:44,572 134 186 277 Honda Accord Euro-R '02
1:44,484 134 185 266L Honda Prelude SiR '96

- MGF, Accord '00, MR-S, 206 RC, Celica '99 & Fiat Coupé top out at SSR7, but not at Monza NC.
 
Great work @snowgt, i envy your stamina! 👍 You single-handedly covered most of the 6 new low power lists cooking! I kept the spreadsheets up to date with your testing times, but i'll wait posting preliminary results until @watermelon punch is well again.

Here is the almost-final Limbo Stick list:

1 Fiat Panda Super i.e. '90
2 Volkswagen Karmann Ghia Coupe (Type-1) '68
3 Toyota Sports 800 '65
4 Nissan PAO '89
5 Ford Ka '01
6 Volvo 240 GLT Estate '88
7 Nissan SKYLINE Sport Coupe (BLRA-3) '62
8 Nissan Be-1 '87
9 Mini Cooper 1.3i '98
10 Suzuki Kei Works '02
11 Honda S800 '66
12 Mitsubishi Minica Dangan ZZ '89
13 Triumph Spitfire 1500 '74
14 Autobianchi A112 Abarth '79
15 Mitsubishi Mirage 1400GLX '78

There was discussion to switch the Skyline and the Be-1, as the former has better straight-line performance. Until now the few test races missed those two, so i'll see if i can slip in a shift-list Limbo Stick race in the Track day. :)
 
I'll add a couple more batches of 30 in the coming 1-2 weeks. Now that I'm this far, I might as well finish those where I think it makes sense to drive them with CS tyres. I've already tested about 50 cars more, but I'm waiting to post them until I'm sure the batches of 30 don't overlap. I think I only have about 30-40 left to test, so then I can take a breather.

Or go on to test something else. :lol:

In all honesty though, I think I have a finished list of "Mid-Engine Heaven, part II" (the faster part) lying around that I haven't posted yet. And some other ideas, like...

Track Day Specials (Cars from Tuning Companies, etc., SM tyres)
Bargain Coupés (FR, 2-door, price below 50,000cr., SH tyres)
Aaaand ... Station Wagons :D
 
Low Power testing continued. (Part IX)

Part I
Part II
Part III
Part IV
Part V
Part VI
Part VII
Part VIII

1:44,483 132 183 259L Volkswagen New Beetle RSi '00
1:44,469 138 191 291 Acura CL 3.2 Type-S '03
1:44,372 132 183 275L Toyota Altezza Gita AS300 '01
1:44,292 133 183 248 Nissan Skyline Hard Top 2000 RS-X Turbo C (R30) '84
1:44,251 128 178 248L Mazda Roadster RS (NC) '07
1:44,222 132 180 226L Renault R5 Turbo '80
1:44,158 128 178 265 Toyota MR-S V Edition (6MT) '02
1:44,126 132 182 254 Seat Ibiza Cupra '04
1:44,118 132 184 258L Mercedes-Benz SLK 230 Kompressor '98
1:44,083 129 178 247L Lotus Europa Special '72
1:44,000 139 191 280L Mitsubishi Eclipse GT '95
1:43,993 132 185 272L Toyota Altezza RS200 '98
1:43,945 140 194 260 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe (C2) '63
1:43,913 137 190 272L Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX (Z31) '83
1:43,860 132 181 229L Alpine A110 1600S '73
1:43,834 133 186 260L Toyota Supra SZ-R '97
1:43,821 144 198 320 Mercedes-Benz CL 600 '00
1:43,742 133 182 227L Renault Sport Clio R.S. 2.0 16V '02
1:43,741 141 193 290L Toyota Soarer 2.5GT-T '97
1:43,738 136 184 246 RAM 1500 Laramie Hemi Quad Cab '04
1:43,738 134 185 264L Acura Integra Type R '01
1:43,600 134 187 294 Subaru Legacy B4 3.0R '03
1:43,587 137 189 276 Nissan Stagea 25t RS Four S '98
1:43,541 137 187 284 Volvo S60 T-5 Sport '03
1:43,518 131 183 198L Alpine A110 1600S '72
1:43,479 138 193 317 Mercedes-Benz SL 500 (R129) '98
1:43,461 134 185 266 Volkswagen Golf V GTI '05
1:43,430 136 187 269L Mitsubishi FTO GPX '99
1:43,430 132 183 265 Audi S3 '02
1:43,414 136 187 281 Nissan 180SX Type X '96

- R5 Turbo, SLK, A110 '73, Supra & Clio top out at SSR7, but not at Monza NC.
- The premium A110 '72 has severe limiter problems, so sadly is out of the question.
 
Low Power testing finished. (Part X)

Part I
Part II
Part III
Part IV
Part V
Part VI
Part VII
Part VIII
Part IX

1:43,357 135 184 260L Nissan Skyline GTS-t Type M (R32) '91
1:43,243 136 187 279 Nissan Silvia K's (S13) '91
1:43,193 134 185 273 Acura RSX Type-S '04
1:43,123 133 184 218L Pontiac Firebird Trans Am '78
1:43,086 136 185 264 Nissan Skyline GTS-t Type M (R32) '89
1:43,017 137 188 270 Buick GNX '87
1:42,992 136 189 282 Toyota Caldina GT-Four '02
1:42,985 138 193 286L Toyota Supra 3.0GT Turbo A '88
1:42,968 137 188 269L Mitsubishi FTO GP Version R '99
1:42,954 138 188 241 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution GSR '92
1:42,924 135 186 261 Renault Sport Clio R.S. '11
1:42,914 136 186 267 Renault Sport Mégane R.S. '08
1:42,900 135 186 278 Mazda Savanna RX-7 Infini III (FC) '90
1:42,883 140 192 291 Ford Mustang V8 GT Coupe Premium '07
1:42,868 131 180 270 Mazda RX-8 Type E '03
1:42,846 139 191 271 Ford SVT F-150 Lightning '03
1:42,800 136 188 272 Ford Focus ST '06
1:42,780 143 199 226L Jaguar E-Type Coupe '61
1:42,779 136 186 277 Mazda RX-7 GT-X (FC) '90
1:42,635 139 193 311 Toyota Soarer 430SCV '01
1:42,615 134 188 259L Toyota MR2 G-Limited '97
1:42,613 134 185 264 Toyota Tacoma X-Runner '04
1:42,611 132 182 237L Mazda Kusabi '03
1:42,572 139 190 280 Nissan Stagea 260RS Autech Version '98
1:42,560 139 193 269L Honda Accord Coupe EX '03
1:42,550 138 190 274L Toyota Celica GT-Four (ST205) '98
1:42,508 139 193 300 Toyota Aristo 3.0V '91
1:42,499 137 188 257L Nissan SilEighty '98
1:42,478 133 183 269 Toyota 86 GT '12
1:42,428 136 188 257L Honda Civic Type R (EP, EU) '01
1:42,383 135 189 271L TRD Celica TRD Sports M (ZZT231) '00
1:42,315 137 189 278L Nissan Silvia K's Aero (S14) '96
1:42,302 137 188 286 Nissan Skyline Sedan 300GT '01
1:42,280 137 189 288 BMW 330i '05
1:42,268 146 202 333 Mercedes-Benz SL 600 (R129) '98
1:42,243 135 187 278 DMC DeLorean S2 '04
1:42,232 137 188 269L Audi TT Coupe 3.2 quattro '03
1:42,190 136 188 262L Honda Integra Type R (DC2) '99
1:42,188 137 189 273 Mercedes-Benz 190 E 2.5-16 Evolution II '91
1:42,168 137 189 291 BMW Z4 '03
1:42,166 129 176 246 Lotus Elise '11
1:42,020 134 184 269 Subaru BRZ S '12
1:42,016 136 186 268 Land Rover Range Rover Evoque Coupe Dynamic '13
1:42,008 138 189 267 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z Concept '88
1:41,990 133 183 276L Mazda RX-8 '03
1:41,972 139 190 287 Volkswagen Golf VI R '10
1:41,886 141 195 284 Alfa Romeo 147 GTA '02
1:41,871 137 190 256L Honda Civic Type R (EP) '01
1:41,853 136 187 277L Volkswagen Golf IV R32 '03
1:41,833 143 195 287 Spoon Integra Type R (DC2) '99
1:41,806 138 190 267L Honda Civic Type R '08
1:41,750 139 189 282 Ford Focus ST '13
1:41,737 144 199 234L Chevrolet El Camino SS 396 '67
1:41,694 140 195 288 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT '06
1:41,693 136 187 278 Audi A3 3.2 quattro '03
1:41,685 140 193 284 Alfa Romeo GT 3.2 V6 24V '04
1:41,655 140 189 257L Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution II GSR '94
1:41,649 136 185 263 Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 '85
1:41,628 142 195 278L Toyota Supra 2.5GT Twin Turbo R '90
1:41,611 139 192 272 Honda Civic Type R (EP) '04
1:41,593 140 189 261 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution III GSR '95
1:41,548 136 190 262L Dome Zero '78
1:41,523 141 194 237L SRT SRT4 '03
1:41,492 140 192 291 Mazda Mazdaspeed Atenza '05
1:41,474 140 193 248L Lancia Stratos '73
1:41,450 143 194 280 Subaru Legacy Touring Wagon GT-B '96
1:41,397 137 188 267 Hommell Berlinette R/S Coupe '99
1:41,320 140 193 289 Infiniti G35 Sedan '03
1:41,257 132 181 229L Lotus Elise '00
1:41,234 140 195 298 Toyota Aristo V300 Vertex Edition '00
1:41,230 145 197 283L BMW M Coupe '98
1:41,193 142 197 298L Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX Version S TwinTurbo 2seater (Z32) '98
1:41,184 143 196 286 Subaru Legacy B4 RSK '98
1:41,184 142 194 286 Nissan Skyline Sedan 350GT-8 '02
1:41,132 140 193 279L Audi S4 '98
1:41,064 137 189 279 Chrysler Crossfire '04
1:41,052 143 196 286 Subaru Legacy B4 Blitzen '00
1:40,907 135 185 262 Opel Speedster '00
1:40,702 131 181 267 Lotus Elise '96
1:40,605 150 206 302 Chevrolet Silverado SST '02
1:40,569 143 197 294 Ford Mustang GT '05
1:40,486 143 195 285 Subaru Legacy Touring Wagon 2.0GT spec.B '03
1:40,470 139 192 298 Audi TT Coupe 3.2 quattro '07
1:40,428 132 180 229L Lotus Elise Type 72 '01
1:40,426 143 198 298L Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX TT 2seater (Z32) '89
1:40,396 141 198 282 Toyota MR2 GT-S '97
1:40,393 143 198 308L Infiniti G35 Coupe '06
1:40,320 143 197 302 Jaguar XK Coupe Luxury '07
1:40,199 141 194 277L Honda Integra Type R (DC5) '04
1:40,132 146 200 317 Mitsubishi GTO Twin Turbo MR '98
1:40,087 146 197 314 Nissan Skyline Sedan 350GT Type SP '06
1:40,029 145 199 236L Renault Sport Mégane R.S. Trophy '11
1:39,932 144 197 280 Chrysler Prowler '02
1:39,928 146 196 239L Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi '94
1:39,845 142 197 288 Renault Sport Clio V6 Phase 2 '03
1:39,751 143 196 251L Toyota Sprinter Trueno GT-Apex (AE86 Shuichi Shigeno Version) '00
1:39,750 145 197 265L Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX STi Version II '95
1:39,366 144 196 290 Subaru Legacy B4 2.0GT spec.B '03


- Firebird Trans Am, MR2 G-Limited, SilEighty, El Camino, Dome Zero, SRT4, Stratos, Megane Trophy & Sprinter Trueno SS top out at SSR7, but not at Monza NC.
- E-Type tops out also at Monza NC and Fuji, so is slightly problematic.

I think I can move on to other things now. :D
 
Last edited:
And here's some more lists I tested out.

First up, the faster part of Mid-Engine Heaven:

Tested at Suzuka 2014, SM tyres.

Lap time, Top Speed, SSRX, Car model

2:16,226 237 305L Lotus Esprit V8 '02
2:15,334 233 322 Honda NSX Type R '02
2:14,656 250 307 Lamborghini Countach 25th Anniversary '88
2:13,384 252 321 Lamborghini Countach LP400 '74
2:12,601 243 321L Audi R8 4.2 FSI R tronic '07
2:11,942 260 351 Spyker C8 Laviolette '01
2:10,644 268 364L Lamborghini Murciélago LP 640 '09
2:10,532 257 306L Ferrari F430 '06
2:09,997 257 328L Audi R8 5.2 FSI quattro '09
2:09,275 262 380 Honda NSX Concept '13
2:09,044 259 338 Jaguar XJ220 '92
2:09,007 261 316L Ferrari 430 Scuderia '07
2:08,672 269 349L Lexus LFA '10
2:08,654 269 349L Lexus LFA Nürburgring Package '12
2:08,066 268 322L Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 '08
2:07,652 270 335L Ferrari 458 Italia '09
2:06,663 278 360L Lamborghini Aventador LP 700-4 '11
2:06,596 274 366L Lamborghini Murciélago LP 670-4 Super Veloce '09
2:05,994 274 404 Ford GT '05
2:05,963 279 389L Saleen S7 '02
2:05,261 276 336L Pagani Zonda C12S '00
2:03,736 283 376 McLaren MP4-12C '10

My suggested choice in bold. And I am aware that…
a) The Lexus LFA is not really an MR, but it's considered to be a front-mid engined car as the engine is so far back behind the front axle. So I figured, why not include it. It certainly fits performance-wise.
b) that the 2 Countachs are already on the Classics list. The problem is that I found no other MR's that would fit between the NSX and the R8/Spyker. But I guess there's worse things than having to drive a Countach a little bit more often. ;)


Then, we have the Tuning/Track Day list. I put the emphasis on those cars that have really great handling.

Test parameters like above.

2:20,684 222 287 Spoon Civic Type R (EK) '00
2:19,483 222 280 Trial Celica SS-II (ZZT231) '03
2:18,963 227 299L Spoon S2000 '00
2:17,812 226 296 Gran Turismo Amuse/Opera Performance 350Z RS
2:17,357 238 318 Nismo 400R '96
2:15,653 228 281 Amuse Nismo 380RS Super Leggera
2:15,366 237 312 Nismo Skyline GT-R R-tune (R34) '99
2:14,424 237 322 Shelby Series One Super Charged '03
2:13,878 237 291 High End Performance G37
2:13,269 227 279 Opera Performance S2000 '04
2:12,980 241 297 Nismo Fairlady Z Z-tune (Z33) '03
2:12,192 238 278 RE Amemiya FD3S RX-7
2:10,666 227 278 KTM X-Bow Street '12
2:09,018 260 284L Amuse S2000 GT1 '04
2:08,338 264 331L Nissan GT-R Nismo '14


…and finally, the list of Bargain Coupés. All cars are FR and cost less than 50,000 cr.

Tested at Nürburgring GP/F, SH tyres.

2:29,908 187 258L Mercedes-Benz SLK 230 Kompressor '98
2:29,446 192 260L Toyota Supra SZ-R '97
2:29,358 187 269 Toyota 86 GT '12
2:28,429 187 269 Subaru BRZ S '12
2:28,253 198 291 Ford Mustang V8 GT Coupe Premium '07
2:27,229 187 276L Mazda RX-8 '03
2:26,274 193 279 Chrysler Crossfire '04
2:24,954 203 294 Ford Mustang GT '05
2:24,405 204 309L Infiniti G35 Coupe '06
2:23,657 201 298 Nissan Silvia spec-R Aero (S15) '02
2:23,011 207 294 Pontiac GTO 5.7 Coupe '04
2:22,447 206 301 Holden Monaro CV8 '04
2:22,444 199 296 Mazda RX-8 Type S '07
2:21,334 211 322 Nissan Fairlady Z Version S (Z33) '07
2:21,248 209 323 Nissan Skyline Coupe 370GT Type SP '07
2:20,707 212 313 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track '13
2:20,614 214 303L Toyota Supra RZ '97
2:20,293 211 323L Nissan Fairlady Z (Z34) '08
2:19,283 216 327 SRT Challenger SRT8 '08
2:18,041 211 284L Mazda RX-7 Spirit R Type A (FD) '02
 
Hey, that's beautiful: three new lists that i'm itching to race straight away! :dopey:👍
Especially Bargain Coupés hits the spot. :D
Thank's @snowgt, and for the extensive Low Power testing too! :bowdown:

I'll create the testing spreadsheets ASAP.
 
Just found this thread. Great stuff! Especially that Track Day Special :bowdown:

I have been thinking of restarting my Club as "All Premium Club". Continuing where I left with "All Japan Club". Now I am thinking maybe instead my lists might fit here...

The list name could be something like "All Premium" :)

1 Mazda efini RX-7 R (FD) ‘91
2 Acura NSX '91
3 Nissan SILVIA spec-R AERO (S15) '02
4 Nissan Z 300ZX Twin Turbo 2seater (Z32) ‘89
5 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution GSR ‘96
6 Lancia Stratos ‘73
7 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 ‘69
8 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Convertible (C3) ‘69
9 Honda S2000 '06
10 Audi TT Coupe 3.2 quattro '07
11 VW Scirocco R '10
12 Chevrolet El Camino SS 396 ‘67
13 Toyota Supra 3.0GT Turbo A ‘88
14 Mazda RX-7 GT-X (FC) ‘90
15 Plymouth AAR Cuda 340 Six Barrel ‘70
16 Ford Mustang V8 Coupe Premium ‘07


fc0ScreenShot20150613at.png


Edit: gave up trying to format this stuff, so here is a screenshot (sorry the order should be reversed for shuffle purposes) :/

Edit2: My lap times are using Comfort Mediums but if more fitting, Comfort Softs would work as well :) The other times are found from SuzukaStar's thread using Comfort Softs.
 
Last edited:
Hey @Cu3e, take a look here:

All Premiums

You can switch to the 'Data' tab at the bottom to see all TT times i have put together. I pulled them from a big TT time list from the big TT collectors on GTPlanet. I wanted to polish it first, but since i can never polish it enough, i might as well share it here:

GTPlanet Lap Times

There is a 'CarLists' tab where i can paste some cars and extract TT times. If you have any questions, just ask! :)
 
Daaang, looks like this thread disappeared from my alerts ages ago. I just assumed nobody was testing anything anymore. :bowdown: to @snowgt for all that testing I missed, when I have a chance I'm going to have to have a go at Mid-Engine Heaven, Tuning/Trackday and Bargain Coupés.
 
Track Day test results

Laguna Seca, SM tyres

1:37.648 -- Spoon Civic Type R (EK) '00
1:35.299 -- Trial Celica SS-II (ZZT231) '03
1:35.221 -- Nismo 400R '96
1:35.077 -- Spoon S2000 '00
1:34.401 -- Gran Turismo Amuse/Opera Performance 350Z RS
1:33.541 -- Nismo Skyline GT-R R-tune (R34) '99
1:33.281 -- Amuse Nismo 380RS Super Leggera
1:31.794 -- Shelby Series One Super Charged '03
1:31.779 -- High End Performance G37
1:31.316 -- Opera Performance S2000 '04
1:31.171 -- Nismo Fairlady Z Z-tune (Z33) '03
1:30.289 -- RE Amemiya FD3S RX-7
1:29.845 -- KTM X-Bow Street '12
1:29.680 -- Amuse S2000 GT1 '04
1:29.427 -- Nissan GT-R Nismo '14

The two bolded pairs I will have to rerun, as the difference is clearly insignificant.

IMO the Spoon Civic and Skyline GT-R R-tune are kinda garbage, all the others range from pretty good to really, really good (top marks to the RE Amemiya RX-7, which is brilliant).
 
amarynceos
Track Day test results

Laguna Seca, SM tyres

1:37.648 -- Spoon Civic Type R (EK) '00
1:35.299 -- Trial Celica SS-II (ZZT231) '03
1:35.221 -- Nismo 400R '96
1:35.077 -- Spoon S2000 '00
1:34.401 -- Gran Turismo Amuse/Opera Performance 350Z RS
1:33.541 -- Nismo Skyline GT-R R-tune (R34) '99
1:33.281 -- Amuse Nismo 380RS Super Leggera
1:31.794 -- Shelby Series One Super Charged '03
1:31.779 -- High End Performance G37
1:31.316 -- Opera Performance S2000 '04
1:31.171 -- Nismo Fairlady Z Z-tune (Z33) '03
1:30.289 -- RE Amemiya FD3S RX-7
1:29.845 -- KTM X-Bow Street '12
1:29.680 -- Amuse S2000 GT1 '04
1:29.427 -- Nissan GT-R Nismo '14

The two bolded pairs I will have to rerun, as the difference is clearly insignificant.

IMO the Spoon Civic and Skyline GT-R R-tune are kinda garbage, all the others range from pretty good to really, really good (top marks to the RE Amemiya RX-7, which is brilliant).
Click to expand...

Glad you like the selection. 👍 I also remember the RE Amemiya along with the Opera S2000 as one of my favourites.

I was trying to pick especially the ones that generally provide good grip and are fun to drive, because a) we also need to think about the more casual drivers and some of the tuned cars are rather a handful (like e.g. the Trans-Cammer and the Red Devil), and b) those same cars usually have loads of horsepower, so they constitute match-up problems with the tuned cars that have the performance more on the chassis-side.

Hmm, I drove the Civic in our test race at Laguna and I thought it was rather brilliant for an FF. Loads of grip and very little understeer combined with a red line of 11,600 is pretty epic. It's supposed to be about a second off the Trial Celica. 2.4s seems a lot. I might give those a try on Laguna as well.

The 400R is special in the way that all the power is in the mid-range. If I remember correctly, shifting at 7,000rpm helps (which is way off the red line). It's got quite a big power-advantage over 350Z, 380RS (and certainly the Spoon S2000), but that probably doesn't come into play much at Laguna. I would say it's definitely faster that the Spoon S2000, the 350Z RS might be faster than the 400R on part of the tracks.

Looks like the same is true for the Nismo GT-R R-tune, although I think that the R-tune and the 380RS SL will probably trade places depending on track.

From what I see the rest of your times seem to confirm the order.
 
Gave the slower part of the cars a quick run-through at Laguna…

1:37,349 Spoon Civic Type R (EK) '00
1:36,021 Trial Celica SS-II (ZZT231) '03
1:35,719 Spoon S2000 '00
1:35,350 Nismo 400R '96
1:34,917 Gran Turismo Amuse/Opera Performance 350Z RS
1:33,377 Nismo Skyline GT-R R-tune (R34) '99
1:33,247 Amuse Nismo 380RS Super Leggera

So, got the same reversed order for 400R/350Z RS and Skyline R-tune/380RS SL as @amarynceos on this track.
 
snowgt
Hmm, I drove the Civic in our test race at Laguna and I thought it was rather brilliant for an FF. Loads of grip and very little understeer combined with a red line of 11,600 is pretty epic. It's supposed to be about a second off the Trial Celica. 2.4s seems a lot. I might give those a try on Laguna as well.
Click to expand...


I retested it along with the too-close pairs, and it was much better than I remembered yesterday. I think what happened was that I was coming off of a long testing session with a GT300 Lexus, and didn't fully shift gears between car types. :D I was probably trying to chuck the Civic into corners like it was a rotatable MR with good downforce, with predictable results. :lol:



@tarnheld here's some revised data (fresh times bolded):

  1. 1:36.477 -- Spoon Civic Type R (EK) '00
  2. 1:35.048 -- Trial Celica SS-II (ZZT231) '03
  3. 1:34.905 -- Spoon S2000 '00
  4. 1:34.778 -- Nismo 400R '96
  5. 1:34.401 -- Gran Turismo Amuse/Opera Performance 350Z RS
  6. 1:33.541 -- Nismo Skyline GT-R R-tune (R34) '99
  7. 1:33.281 -- Amuse Nismo 380RS Super Leggera
  8. 1:31.668 -- Shelby Series One Super Charged '03
  9. 1:31.807 -- High End Performance G37
  10. 1:31.316 -- Opera Performance S2000 '04
  11. 1:31.171 -- Nismo Fairlady Z Z-tune (Z33) '03
  12. 1:30.289 -- RE Amemiya FD3S RX-7
  13. 1:29.845 -- KTM X-Bow Street '12
  14. 1:29.680 -- Amuse S2000 GT1 '04
  15. 1:29.427 -- Nissan GT-R Nismo '14

The only ordering which changed was between the Spoon S2000 and the Nismo 400R.
 
amarynceos
I retested it along with the too-close pairs, and it was much better than I remembered yesterday. I think what happened was that I was coming off of a long testing session with a GT300 Lexus, and didn't fully shift gears between car types. :D I was probably trying to chuck the Civic into corners like it was a rotatable MR with good downforce, with predictable results. :lol:



@tarnheld here's some revised data (fresh times bolded):

  1. 1:36.477 -- Spoon Civic Type R (EK) '00
  2. 1:35.048 -- Trial Celica SS-II (ZZT231) '03
  3. 1:34.905 -- Spoon S2000 '00
  4. 1:34.778 -- Nismo 400R '96
  5. 1:34.401 -- Gran Turismo Amuse/Opera Performance 350Z RS
  6. 1:33.541 -- Nismo Skyline GT-R R-tune (R34) '99
  7. 1:33.281 -- Amuse Nismo 380RS Super Leggera
  8. 1:31.668 -- Shelby Series One Super Charged '03
  9. 1:31.807 -- High End Performance G37
  10. 1:31.316 -- Opera Performance S2000 '04
  11. 1:31.171 -- Nismo Fairlady Z Z-tune (Z33) '03
  12. 1:30.289 -- RE Amemiya FD3S RX-7
  13. 1:29.845 -- KTM X-Bow Street '12
  14. 1:29.680 -- Amuse S2000 GT1 '04
  15. 1:29.427 -- Nissan GT-R Nismo '14

The only ordering which changed was between the Spoon S2000 and the Nismo 400R.
Click to expand...

Looks very similar to what I got at Laguna now, at least in terms of differences between all the cars. I don't know how you did some of those lap times though. If you did them online with grip reduction I need to work on my driving! :scared:

Spread between first and last also looks good. I had them at 12s at a long track like Suzuka, and this now suggests it's around 7s at Laguna, so that should be fine.
 
snowgt
Looks very similar to what I got at Laguna now, at least in terms of differences between all the cars. I don't know how you did some of those lap times though. If you did them online with grip reduction I need to work on my driving! :scared:
Click to expand...

Haha, no, I ran those offline with grip reduction, so you've still got the usual 1-2s gap over me. ;) I usually do my testing from the 'test drive' option in the garage, for various reasons of convenience.
 
The Forgotten Lists post:

@snowgt's conceptions:
Track Day Specials, test driven, good shape
Mid Engine Heaven, good shape
Bargain Coupés, good shape
Mid Engine Heaven II, more testers
Pre-Millenium Sportscars, more testers
Schwarzwald League II, more testers

@watermelon punch's conceptions:
Commuter
Convertibles
Traffic (updated)
Road Trip
Sedans
EV&CVT
Low Power (updated)

lost in time:
Vision GTs

@Patrick8308' conception:
Schwarzwald League

As you see, we have lot's and lot's of lists waiting to be finished. :eek: This is more of a reference post to have links to all lists available. I'll do my best to get them back in good shape. If you fancy some testing, keep in mind that consistent settings is more important than fast times, just make sure you use the same settings for every car. I'll see what i can do to create one or two TT events somewhere in order to make the time collection a little easier, stay tuned. 👍
 
I would like to release the Track Day Specials as is, and do a Special Track Day on Friday, one list, 5 tracks. :D
What do you think? Is it ready for take-off?
 
tarnheld
I would like to release the Track Day Specials as is, and do a Special Track Day on Friday, one list, 5 tracks. :D
What do you think? Is it ready for take-off?
Click to expand...

I might tune in for that. (See what I did there? :sly:)

Order can stay the way it is now, I'd say. (400R @ #4 and R-tune @ #6) Those two are faster in a straight line than their closest opponents, but more difficult to drive, so the predominant order will probably be how it's listed in the table now.
 

Similar threads

gkgamer
Makeshift Shuffle Racing - next race day June 17th 9AM GMT
Replies
3
Views
1K
IfAndOr
IfAndOr
S
GT7 Time Trial Challenges
Replies
7
Views
977
StrykerZero
S
H
Livery Design Request for Local Car Club GT7 Nights
Replies
2
Views
1K
Hobbes1301
H
sirjim73
The Nordschleife time trials thread
Replies
16
Views
4K
Alex p.
Alex p.
BroncosXR8
Time Trials - PP Rankings incorrect
Replies
6
Views
2K
BroncosXR8
BroncosXR8

Latest Posts

Back