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One more thing wiht my big list...
I need help labeling them by class as well.
(Such as "sports car" or "family car" or "performance" etc.)
So if anyone's knowledgeable about that sort of thing, pipe up please. (As that's not my strongest area.)
Thank you!

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Yes I mean the missing luxury cars. That list is massive and I can't really afford to drop that much money on all of those cars right now:scared: I'm probably a bigger cheapskate than longbow :lol:.

Well I think the commuter list was too short anyway.

I really like the Opel speedster. The lotus Elise and Opel speedster can be so competitive.

I have to agree the Miura is a very fun car. I always wish it was cheaper. Or they just used a non prototype Miura :rolleyes:. I do really like the countachs though.
 
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Yes I mean the missing luxury cars. That list is massive and I can't really afford to drop that much money on all of those cars right now:scared: I'm probably a bigger cheapskate than longbow :lol:.

Well I did the commuter list was too short anyway.

I really like the Opel speedster. The lotus Elise and Opel speedster can be so competitive.

I have to agree the Miura is a very fun car. I always wish it was cheaper. Or they just used a non prototype Miura :rolleyes:. I do really like the countachs though.
 
I took a second look at that big list you posted @watermelonpunch, and I think what you could do is take some of those cars and add them to the commuters list and change the name to European hot hatch list. Take some of those peugeots, the minis other cars like that should work. Maybe not European hot hatches because of the pt cruiser. Maybe just name them hot hatches.

I noticed a lot of other classic cars. You might be able to make a vintage sports car list I don't know?

I don't think you have enough cars but I believe we should make a compact sports car list with the lotus Elise and the Opel speedster. Obviously there would have to be other cars but we could come up with those later
 
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watermelonpunch
I mean I'd love to have the chance to race every single one of them, ideally. :lol:
But really, it's the variety and the surprise aspect that appeals to me. Seeing all the different cars on the track, and maneuvering differently, and seeing how they perform on various tracks... whoever driving them... It's very interesting. ^^
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I think that the variances in the cars help balance out the inherent driver differences as well. So not running a certain car is likely a factor of that too. Plus I agree, it is interesting seeing how they perform!

As for making lists, I find it easier to "reverse engineer" the lists. Starting with an idea like "80s cars", finding a group of cars that fit and then testing. A compact sports or a hot hatch list may work, but I think it's good to make a list of those first to make sure there are enough to fill it out.

I did that with the muscle car list that won't be used. :lol: I might just test it on my own...
 
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Hey, by all means if you're gathering lists of cars, let me in on it. At the very least we can save your times here for future use.

Anyhow, I just started grabbing cars in that nice "common" spot because I figured it would:
  • be cars that people might be fond of
  • include some of the odd cars that I enjoy
  • be a general speed that would include a lot of cars and be easy to come up with more than 1 list

I mean the important thing is to get a good number of working lists organized and start testing them before at some point I wind up too busy to do anything but schedule & race.

Also, we'd get bored using the same 3 lists.
Obviously this is the sort of event people like because of the variety. 💡
So having several lists adds to that.


Also, a wider range of types of cars might attract more participants.
And then maybe we can become a league with divisions. 💡
If sign-ups keep up at this rate, in a few weeks we'll need to split into divisions to fit everybody. :nervous:

I just know that maybe someone sees the vintage cars and thinks "eh, I'm not crazy about those vintage cars"
or maybe they don't like the low power cars.
Or maybe they're not that interested in the saloons.
But if we have a variety of lists being used... there will be people who will maybe put up with the old cars (and maybe later realize they're fun too lol)... just to race the luxury cars or the other lists.

I already see that someone has signed up for today's race... who I didn't expect to participate... but I'm betting that it's because he really likes the low power cars.
So you see what I mean.

One thing I just don't care for though are the cars that turned up at 400 & 420pp shuffle base in GT5.
You know like all those modern lancers, evos, & skylines.
I don't mind throwing a 4wd or a Skyline in here & there. But I just don't want a straight diet of 4wd modern road cars. :ill: That would get boring FAST.
In fact, the fact that most people ran shuffle rooms at that PP base, was what led me to start running my own shuffle lobbies.
I based it on Lo PP so people would know what they were getting into.
But ideally I would've liked to switch between under 400pp base & over 440pp base.
Even when a room SAID it was "low pp" shuffle base... eventually it would wind up running 400pp or 420pp almost exclusively. *yawn*
 
@daddyo845 Absolutely. Creating lists is fun anyway. :P


I will work on a few lists based off of ideas. I'll type them out if they flush out to complete test lists. I like low powered cars anyway. They're my favourite. :embarrassed:
 
I think I might be able to get a sports car list... or start one... out of the cars I've been testing. ?

At any rate, I kind of wanted to get away from a hot hatch thing... because I'm not necessarily crazy about having a whole list of mostly FF cars, but mostly because I didn't think there would be enough of the same kind to get a big enough list.
Lists will have to have at least 12 cars. Considering how many people are racing this now.
 
That's why with the low power cars I made sure there were 16... because with cars that slow it would definitely be a problem to have 4 of the fastest car on the track.
 
Ok I understand it makes sense. A list of only ff cars would probably be boring after awhile. I really want to try and put together a compact sports car list. Not necessarily with the list you made.
 
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I know you said you hated the AWD 400-420pp shuffle cars, but obviously there was a market for it. I think it would be easy to make a "90s Sports" list. It would look something like this:

Supra
Skyline GT-R (x2 different years/models)
Lancer Evo (x2 different years/models)
300ZX
WRX STi (x2 different years/models)
3000GT
Corvette Grand Sport
NSX (x2 different years/models - early model/late model)
M Coupe (maybe)
Camaro Z/28
Elise 190???

It wouldn't be such a tragedy to run it for one week?
 
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Words cannot describe how much I hate the NSX :ill:
 
LongbowX
It wouldn't be such a tragedy to run it for one week?
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Well, in theory, no.
But in practice here's what I envision happening...

A loud minority clamoring to race that list more.
People interested in the other lists, but much less likely to pipe up, just losing interest feeling alienated. :ill:




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That said, I'm not opposed to working those cars into a varied list if it makes sense.
Just saying...


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Also I'm hoping to get into the habit of having 2-list events.
 
I really don't think that will happen to be honest. I'm not that fond of them either, I'm definitely on the side of changing the lists and making new ones as much as possible. :lol: I like variety, that's all. I just want to use all the cars we have at our disposal. Another list would be the lesser powered variants 80s/90s (with some others) like:

'90 RX-7
300ZX N/A
Supra N/A
Skyline (x2 GTS-R, GTS-t, GTS25?)
Taurus SHO (???)
GS300 / SC400
3000GT N/A
SL500/600 '98 (???)
FTO (?)
MR2 (?)
240SX/Silvia (x2?)
Esprit HC '87(?)
GNX (?)
IROC-Z Concept (?)
 
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I was kind of hoping to make a sports car list that includes vintage & newer models both... but I don't know if that will be possible.
?

That said, in theory, it all sounds good.
(Until you can't find enough cars for the list that are compatible. Lol Soldier on!)
 
If I was to make a list whats the maximum pp difference I can have between the lowest on the list and the highest
 
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There's really no way to know for sure with PP. Obviously the more difference in pp the less likely they'd be compatible. But I've found that PP can be very deceiving. :( Definitely don't go beyond 50pp difference... but then maybe with some it could be that big a spread.... If they're similar type of cars... maybe 20-30 would be the max spread?
 
It really depends. Light weight still messes with the PP level (like the Mini Marcos has like 390pp when the Miata has 360pp!) so it's not an exact science. The slower the cars, the closer in PP range probably. I would start off with maybe a 30pp difference. Maybe. But it's really some gut feeling and knowledge about the cars...
 
Yeah or having the master database of @snowgt from GT5. :odd: :sly:
His test database has been extremely helpful to me in judging cars. And believe me, it shows me starkly that pp sometimes doesn't mean squat. :indiff:

But again... if you're going to look at PP definitely stay in the same year-range and class-range. If it's the same type of car, and ballpark the same era, it's usually pretty good predictor.
But if you're comparing vintage to new models, or 2 different types of cars ...
 
LongbowX
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Vintage supercars sounds amazing, but I need to win them (sadly impossible in GT6. What a stupid decision). I'm afraid I am a cheapskate. :lol:

I bought a few of those cars, and maybe I will buy them all....over time.
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@LongbowX -
@watermelonpunch -
@daddyo845 -

I've been think about the cost of the cars, and that during the testing laps we don't win any credits.

So I tried racing against just myself in an on-line lobby that I set up, and while I won the race!:dopey::), I still didn't win any credits.:grumpy: I guess if two of us testers were testing in the same on-line lobby and we ran a race we could get credits but not just one of us running alone.

So then I thought how about running against the AI in one of the career races. Now in somecases we might not be able to find anything suitable, but for the Luxury motors, I think that the TOUR of EUROPE races (International B Series) would be suitable (except for the American motors).

So I took a couple of the luxury motors to the Brands Hatch race and gave them a shot, and recorded the total race time.

Race results:
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Audi S4 '03 --------------- 6:57.963
MB CLK55 AMG '00 ------ 7:00.543
Jag XK coupe Lux '07 ---- 7:05.351

The Audi is the fastest and handles quite well with minimal understeer even though its 4WD. I ran the Jag first so it probably suffers a second or so because I wasn't yet used to the track, but I would think that it would still be the slowest if I ran it again, just perhaps a little closer to the Mercedes.

I then took the Jaguar back to an on-line lobby (with tire wear set to "fast") and ran the same Brands Hatch track and got a best lap time of 1:47.2xx (out of 4 laps run). This was two seconds slower than my best lap time (using the Jaguar) during the actual Brands Hatch race in the career mode. All the options were the same (no SRF and I used SM tires). I imagine that the two second difference is due to the tire wear model and perhaps there is a bit of difference in grip between on-line and career (I haven't done any testing on this....have any of you?).

What do you think?

Could we do some of the car testing in actual races (to earn some credits) and then rank the cars based upon the overall times instead of ranking them based upon one-lap results? Would this rank the cars any better or worse do you think?

Edit update:
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I've run ten more of the luxury motors so the current list is:

Aston DB9 Coupe '06 ----- 6:36.552
Aston Vanquish '04 ------- 6:39.000
BMW M3 Coupe '07 ------- 6:42.795
MB C63 AMG '08 ---------- 6:47.086
Jaguar XFR '10 ------------ 6:47.216
Maserati Gran Turismo --- 6:47.666
BMW Z8 '01 --------------- 6:48.230
BMW 135i Coupe '07 ----- 6:51.609
MB SL55 AMG '02 -------- 6:52.064
Jag S-Type R '02 --------- 6:53.334
Audi S4 '03 --------------- 6:57.963
MB CLK55 AMG '00 ------- 7:00.543
Jag XK coupe Lux '07 ---- 7:05.351

The Mercedes C63 AMG is very fast and it likes to turn, so this helps get around the many medium speed turns at Brands Hatch. You have to be careful not to have the rear break-free, but with SM tires its not that bad. Easier than some MR cars can be.:) The Mercedes SL55 AMG is very fast in a straight line, but it wants to oversteer on the exit from every corner so you lose time being careful so as to not spin-out.:eek: The BMW Z8 is also very fast, but it wants to get loose on the exits from the corners so you lose some time being careful with the throttle.

I've been earning $86k a race so my bank account looks presentable again!:)

See you on the tracks!
GTsail
 
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It might be a good idea however you've got to factor in the ai. You may be getting drafts off of them and they also may be obstructing you and slowing you down at times. I don't think it's as reliable but if watermelon says its all good then I'm all for it because buying all of these cars is seriously depleting my credits
 
I've come up with a list for compact sports cars. It's my first list so I'm may not be very good at picking the cars. Don't be afraid to criticize my list and tell me if you think we should test these.
Opel speedster turbo
Lotus 111s
BMW z4
Alpine a110 1600s '72
Honda s2000 '06
Mitsubishi cz-3 Tarmac
Hyundai hcd-6
Renault sport Clio v6 24v
Lancia stratos
Ford rs200
Chrysler crossfire
Subaru brz s
Toyota mr2 GT-s
Ferrari Dino 246 GT
Volkwagen golf iv r32
I originally had the autobacs garaiya but I think it's pp is too high
These cars aren't put in this order for any reason and I have not tested them yet. I feel like if we do run these we should use sports hard or medium tires.
Tell me what you guys think.
 
daddyo845
It might be a good idea however you've got to factor in the ai. You may be getting drafts off of them and they also may be obstructing you and slowing you down at times.
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Yes, the AI introduce a variable that could both gain us some time and lose us some time. I actually ran 4 races during my testing above. I ran the Jaguar twice, and the AI that you see in this race is quite varied. Twice I got speedy rabbits that took a while to catch, while the other two races were walk-overs without any AI competition for the last two laps. So the AI do cause some issues, but I was thinking that this would be the same for our actual races, so if a car was hard to drive during testing and couldn't pass the AI easily, then it would also be hard to drive against various real-live drivers and this would be somewhat comparable.

GTsail
 
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Ha ha great minds!

With my big list I was thinking the same thing.
I mean that I'd like to test all those cars on another track.
And hten thought - oh no, and spent 20 minutes doing seasonal time trials today in order to gain credits. :rolleyes:

Anyway I was trying to think abotu how to gain credits + test cars at the same time.
It would have to be in a race where you could easily beat the competition though - or you'd never know how much draft played into the equation, and differently every time :indiff:

I was also thinking of having a get together.
You know running 3 lap races where you spread out - or "race alone" :odd: And take lap times from that. And then get money for it.
 

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