Man Wants To Build Exact Copy Of Nürburgring In Nevada

[ND4SPD]

Needs to happen now! I'm already on the hunt for a trackday car and planning a roadtrip!

 

[ENDURANCEGUY]

Haha. The best thing I've seen today! 👍👍

 

[SuBMWaru]

I think it'd be pretty freakin awesome. I'd love to see it happen!!

 

[Joey D]

Of course we have the ability to replicate the Nurburgring's every dip, swoop, and bump. The question is: will we? The cost of mimicking 1000 feet elevation change over a 25-square-mile area will be astronomical. I don't think Mr. Moneybags will cough up the 11-figure price tag to faithfully reproduce the naturally-occuring German terrain. It's much more than just moving piles of dirt around.

I don't believe it would be as expensive or as complex as you would think it would be. Whole mountains have been leveled in to the sea and an airport built for 11 figures. Moving around earth on land is quite a bit easier than moving it around in the sea, and far cheaper. Plus they are just building a road, not a massive structure like an airport. I could see it being in the 9-10 figures range, but I can't see it being anywhere near $10 billion. And even then, I'm sure they could get some investment from the auto industry and other private entities.

Also all they would have to do is is build up the area where the track was on, the whole thing wouldn't be necessary. It would look a little out of place but it still would be to spec. Nevada also has some valleys and mountainous terrain so finding a suitable place might be easier than it seems.

 

[lemansfanatic]

America is not about doing things originally. We have states called New York and New Hampshire as well as North and South versions of Dakota and Carolina plus West Virginia. Our movies recycle the same story ideas and plot elements over and over again. Our largest racing series is only just now getting fuel injection. We went to space because the Soviets went to space. Las Vegas makes a name for itself by making copies of things. You really think that we're going to make our own test track?.

Wow, silliest anti-American comment I have heard in a while. Have you actually met an American before? Some of us actually do take pride in our countries originality here and might take extreme offense to your comment. This is my reserved comment that i editied a few times and removed what i really want to say...

 

[niky]

While there may be a business case with enthusiasts, a track will need a lot of business to stay alive. Major manufacturers already have vast stretches of land dedicated to test tracks, like these:

The income from manufacturers will probably not be as big as they're hoping. There's the attraction of elevation changes, but really... to what point?

To make enough income to justify the massive expense, they'll need to attract racing series to the venue, and then they'll need to build other attractions around it to bolster income. Isn't really working out all that well for the original, but this is Vegas... and if they're not required to replicate all the terrain, they can build grandstands, observation booths and support services in many places where they're not available on the original, which would make it more useful than the real thing.

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Doubt it's going to happen.

 

[Northstar]

America is not about doing things originally. We have states called New York and New Hampshire as well as North and South versions of Dakota and Carolina plus West Virginia.

There is quite a bit of ignorance and irony here.
New York - Brits named it
New Hampshire - Brits named it
North/South Dakota - Split due to population(also included Montana and Washington at the time of the split)
North Carolina - Brits named it
South Carolina - Brits named it
West Virginia - Split from Virginia during the Civil War

Our movies recycle the same story ideas and plot elements over and over again.

Every movie ever made is telling pretty much 1 of a few different stories.

Anyways, back on topic.

 

[Kylehnat]

Nevada also has some valleys and mountainous terrain so finding a suitable place might be easier than it seems.

Using existing valleys and mountains would actually make the project more difficult and more expensive.

Also all they would have to do is is build up the area where the track was on, the whole thing wouldn't be necessary. It would look a little out of place but it still would be to spec.

Assuming they use a flat piece of land, they cannot simply build a roller coaster out of dirt. A pile 1000 feet tall and 40 feet wide won't stand on its own (not to mention the fact that if a car went through the fence, the plunge would be fatal). Hell, maybe they should just build a steel roller coaster and pave it! 💡

 

[m8h3r]

The main issue I see is if it was built and people were testing cars there what would happen if it was 10-15-20 seconds faster than the original. You would have cars that did the original in 8:30 say "We did the Nurburgring in 8:09.836" and in the event that the replica was indeed called "The Nurburgring" then the car companies would not be lying.

 

[Snaeper]

Wow, silliest anti-American comment I have heard in a while. Have you actually met an American before? Some of us actually do take pride in our countries originality here and might take extreme offense to your comment. This is my reserved comment that i editied a few times and removed what i really want to say...

Well lets see, my parents are American. My brother is American and all of my friends, family, and kids I went to school with are American's. Do they count?

New York - Brits named it

My point exactly, named after York. (Or the Duke of York... who was the Duke... of York)

New Hampshire - Brits named it

My point exactly, named after Hampshire.

North/South Dakota - Split due to population(also included Montana and Washington at the time of the split)

And they apparently ran out of original names. Naming something after a place or person back in Britain is better than this.

North Carolina - Brits named it
South Carolina - Brits named it

My point exactly, named after King Charles the first if I'm not mistaken.

West Virginia - Split from Virginia during the Civil War

And they apparently ran out of original names.

America is not about doing things originally.

I fail to understand how saying "Brits named it" changes this point in any way. From the get go they were naming colonies after things in England before we were even a country. And then we seceded and became our own country, we didn't change a damned thing.

Ignorance and irony indeed.

It's also semantics.

Using existing valleys and mountains would actually make the project more difficult and more expensive.

Assuming they use a flat piece of land, they cannot simply build a roller coaster out of dirt. A pile 1000 feet tall and 40 feet wide won't stand on its own (not to mention the fact that if a car went through the fence, the plunge would be fatal). Hell, maybe they should just build a steel roller coaster and pave it! 💡

I assume that the only reason this is even a discussion is because some land surveyor either happened upon, or was paid to find an area where a replica could potentially be made using the natural landscape surrounding Nevada without much work. Again, assuming.

 

[Joey D]

Using existing valleys and mountains would actually make the project more difficult and more expensive.

I don't see how that would be a problem either, a 1,000 feet of elevation isn't that much, all things considered. I'm not saying it'll be a breeze but way more complicated things have been done without much of an issue. Given proper survey techniques, a geographer and a few civil engineers, I really going to say that it wouldn't be all that bad.

Assuming they use a flat piece of land, they cannot simply build a roller coaster out of dirt. A pile 1000 feet tall and 40 feet wide won't stand on its own (not to mention the fact that if a car went through the fence, the plunge would be fatal). Hell, maybe they should just build a steel roller coaster and pave it! 💡

I'm not suggesting a 40 wide section of dirt. What I am saying is there is no need to build the entire complex to scale elevation. It's going to be a massive area so concentrating on where the road will be will prove to be more cost effective than trying to make the whole complex to elevation scale.

I fail to understand how saying "Brits named it" changes this point in any way. From the get go they were naming colonies after things in England before we were even a country. And then we seceded and became our own country, we didn't change a damned thing.

Ignorance and irony indeed.

Why in the world would they have changed the name of a state once we became independent? We have enough to worry about with, you know, getting the country going and what not. Trying to change the name of a state would have just created more problems for the initial government.

You also realize just about every state is named for something "non-American" and unoriginal right? Take Arizona where you live, it gets its name from an Aztec word meaning "silver-bearing". Should we have changed the name after we kicked all the natives out?

I'm also not really sure what you are even trying to prove, you say lemansfanatic and Justin are ignorant but you are saying some rather ignorant things yourself. It's pretty hypocritical. If you really hate how unoriginal things are becoming in America, you do have the freedom to create something original yourself. So instead of complaining about America on the Internet, which is unoriginal in itself, why not go out and be original...just be sure not to inadvertently copy another idea, which I assume you would.

 

[Dennisch]

They should think about building this in the Rockies, with threes and such. Instead of sand, sand, sand and rocks.

 

[Pupik]

Enough...This isn't an America versus the world thread.

Go jump into the America thread in the Opinions forum if you need to rant about something that has virtually nothing to do with this thread. See how long you last...

 

[Omnis]

If I become a mega billionaire, one of my priorities would be to model a track after an unwound DNA sample. Go look at any microscope image of DNA unwinding from a chromosome. It's perfect.

 

[m8h3r]

If I become a mega billionaire, one of my priorities would be to model a track after an unwound DNA sample. Go look at any microscope image of DNA unwinding from a chromosome. It's perfect.

That looks like something you'd find on Wipeout or similar games.

 

[lemansfanatic]

Enough...This isn't an America versus the world thread.

Go jump into the America thread in the Opinions forum if you need to rant about something that has virtually nothing to do with this thread. See how long you last...

This thread is about a man who wants to replicate a famous European icon in America. Some people here feel that this is how Americans do eveything (no originality),and some people disagree with that statement. i fail to see where did we got off topic here? i also thought the comments were well thought out and fairly reserved, and not necessitating of moderation here.

 

[Snaeper]

Since my original point was lost in my own and others' semantics, I'd like to boil it down so everyone can understand, since many of the comments responding to my own appear to suffer from selective reading.

It's silly to expect someone to make an original 9 mile test track in America. A clone has already been discussed so we might as well expect it.

 

[OtakuTaikun]

Los Vegas is the entertainment capital of the country, i would know >.> If it were possible, than it would be a perfect fit,

but as stated, there's just waaaaaaaay too many obstacles,

There's no way in hell anyone could recreate the nurburgring (at least not the Nordschleife), i bet not even the original "creators" could do it again. You can't just take hilly environments and say "hey, i'm gonna pave some road here and call it a racetrack." Then there's money, i'm in California, so we're broke, but in the US, i'm sure Nevada isn't much better. Probably more tax revenue, but with Los Vegas motor speedway, i'm 100% sure any funding/building permits would not be issued by the state.

And as far as racial comments go, making em towards one's self in reality is all good and dandy, but make it online and it's serious business.

 

[F1 fan]

You are aware that it's "Las Vegas" right? It isn't too far from you.

Anyway, I really doubt this will come to fruition. It's just a mere pipe dream. Yes, they may lure American manufacturers away from the ring, but I doubt it.

 

[OtakuTaikun]

You are aware that it's "Las Vegas" right? It isn't too far from you.

Anyway, I really doubt this will come to fruition. It's just a mere pipe dream. Yes, they may lure American manufacturers away from the ring, but I doubt it.

haha yea, oops my bad. I'd be lying if i said the time change and 3 hours of sleep led to that spelling error...

 

[vowcarta]

Maybe I'm being cynical but it looks like another thing Vegas will try to copy and will end up with something incredibly tacky. There's only one Nurburgring, same way there's only one Eiffel tower (well before Vegas had a go anyway), London bridge or whatever....let's try and keep it that way.

 

[Furinkazen]

Maybe I'm being cynical but it looks like another thing Vegas will try to copy and will end up with something incredibly tacky. There's only one Nurburgring, same way there's only one Eiffel tower (well before Blackpool had a go anyway), London bridge or whatever....let's try and keep it that way.

Fixed. Morale of this is you cannot beat originals!

 

[Lock2Lock]

Maybe I'm being cynical but it looks like another thing Vegas will try to copy and will end up with something incredibly tacky. There's only one Nurburgring, same way there's only one Eiffel tower (well before Vegas had a go anyway), London bridge or whatever....let's try and keep it that way.

Agreed like who would rather go to a fake one? one of the things i eventually want to do when i get the money is go to the real one and buy or rent a car or two and take it around this awesome track... not a fake one... If i had the option of never going or go to Vegas... I'll just keep playing GT5

 

[CodeRedR51]

Agreed like who would rather go to a fake one? one of the things i eventually want to do when i get the money is go to the real one and buy or rent a car or two and take it around this awesome track... not a fake one... If i had the option of never going or go to Vegas... I'll just keep playing GT5

You say that now.

 

[Lock2Lock]

You say that now.

No i prefer the original... I mean how would the track conditions be... Hot day after day after day... Plus i am not sure if the can even do a 100% exact replica of the physical lay out of the track in Nevada.. Not to mention how much it would cost to build and maintain... I mean think about this ok... When they re-did Daytona super speedway ok... If i remember correctly it cost around $25 million just for it to be paved, and that track is only what 2.5 miles long...think of how much it would cost to pave this track.. Very impractical...

 

[CodeRedR51]

A race track is a race track. Put one anywhere near me with a good car and you can bet I'll find a way to get on it.

 

[Downhill Dino]

"To each their own"?

 

[Leonidae@MFT]

Ah, but Nürb is the motorheads Mecca.. Like certain manufacturer likes to say, there's no substitute.

 

[Joey D]

Agreed like who would rather go to a fake one?

Me. The Vegas one would be easier and cheaper for me to get to and I would be able to bring my own car. Plus I wouldn't have to deal with all the boneheads that seem to think the Ring in Germany is some sort of holy ground.

 

[Earth]

I dont see how they can build it to current safety standards without sacrifing it being an "exact" replica.

The whole idea is inspired solely by money, so I hope it fails. I mean, its like making a exact replica of a classic movie. Pointless. Why not build an original 14 mile track thats great in it's own way, America's answer to the Nurburgring? It would be cheaper and more original to build a course that naturally flows through the hills, like the Nurburgring, then one that requires artificial elevation change

I don't think that's what he means. The difference between the Texas World Speedway and the old Monza was that at the old Monza, you could do a lap of the oval and then a lap of the road course; one lap used to involve doing both. At the Texas World Speedway, you can do a lap of the oval or the road course.

Correct, to a point. My vision for the track does not include a full oval, though. There is no multiple layouts on my design. In my design, the turn leading to the front staight and "turn 1" would be long sweeping turns 1 kilometer long banked at 35 degrees, like an oval. It would be a road course that happens to have a couple of banked oval style turns

I think those turns would provide a unique experience the Nurburgring does not offer. 35 degrees of banking would make the top of the turn 60 feet higher then the bottom