Mapping "Zahara de la Sierra" (new GT6 track)

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Beat the Beat
It wasn't. There was another track along the Eiger shown in an FT-86 trailer but I don't know what happened to it, I wish I did!
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Certainly wasn't announced, but footage of it was shown.

Stelvio is one of those tracks that no one knows what happened. There was actual footage of it, but somehow didn't make the cut.
https://www.gtplanet.net/red-bull-says-pikes-peak-is-in-gran-turismo-5/

The same might happen to Seattle and others in GT6. It's been 9 months since release and nothing yet.

For more check the related entries (GT5 or GT6 footage) of the first and second posts on https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gt6s-missing-tracks-discussion-re-build-in-progress.294852/

I can only think of the "KAAAAZ" meme when things like this happen, which are solely upper management's fault.
 
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Certainly wasn't announced, but footage of it was shown.

For more check the related entries (GT5 or GT6 footage) of the first and second posts on https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/gt6s-missing-tracks-discussion-re-build-in-progress.294852/

I can only think of the "KAAAAZ" meme when things like this happen, which are solely upper management's fault.
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The track is mentioned there as 'mountain road pass', it being Stelvio pass was just speculation, maybe because it had been on Top Gear at the time. All the background details were from the Eiger, including a clear shot of the Grindelwald valley
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Trust me I wasted way too long looking at it before GT5 came out!
 
Well when I went out last night I went out pretty late but here's something now. Been playing around with an app I got that measures the distance. This layout is 26.2 km so it leaves options for PD to have us loop around different roads in Zahara and/or out in the country, but I think the track should run in these general areas. I made sure it does run through the points that @AJHG1000 pin pointed months ago. This is still of course assuming that Zahara won't be a point-to-point track, which we don't know for sure. Also assuming it uses all real world roads, who knows about the PD-isms that could factor in.

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EDIT: Please ignore those pins btw, that's just how the app I was playing with works, they don't actually mean anything. The blue line is all the matters.
 
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@Amac500 post now reads @Beat the Beat it says the pins are irrelevant just relate to the app he was using.

Looking at the Neogaf thread again reminds me of that @amar212 post and the last bit that never got resolved because no one seemed to notice it...

"Beautiful Mediterranean" he said.

I thought up to now that Mediterranean meant Sea, but couldn't work out the other word. Could it be "jewel sea" or in other words "you will see"?

Or even could it relate to Pebble Beach - lots of beaches in the Mediterranean...???

any ideas...?
 
Beat the Beat
edit 2: Sorry Amac it was 'the points that @@AJHG1000 pin pointed months ago' I meant, not the pin pins. Is there a link?
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I think you might mean the pins in this post?

AJHG1000
So here it is everything I recognized from the video and Google's street view

Black dots mark the location

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A) (Not relevant) 0:00 - 0:03 (Camera angle, arrow is indicating where it is pointing at)
B) (Not relevant) 0:07 - 0:10 (Same as above)
C) 0:21 - 0:31
D) 0:32 - 0:34
E) 0:48 - 0:54
F) 1:05 - 1:15

C and F are in the same place :)

I couldn't recognize:

0:04 - 0:06
0:11 - 0:20
0:35 - 0:47
0:55 - 1:04

And those two last camera angles do not show anything that gives us some information.

I'm starting to think that this is a point to point track... But who knows? :confused:
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sirjim73
Or even could it relate to Pebble Beach - lots of beaches in the Mediterranean...???
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No Pebble Beach isn't Mediterranean, it's in California, a state on the west coast of the US. The Pebble Beach Concours is actually on the Pacific Ocean. It's held not too far away from Laguna Seca actually.

sparkytooth
Is Kaz even at Pebble Beach?
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Yes Kaz should be there at least, I'm 90% sure he was there earlier this week. The Toyota VGT was unveiled at one of the historical races at Laguna Seca as part of the lead up to the Concours. Every year Kaz awards the Gran Turismo Award at the Concours itself so he should be there.

Sorry about double posting there guys.
 
Sorry I was trying to think of an oblique link between amar's cryptic comment and pebble beach but it does seem a massive stretch.

I'm lucky to have driven past pebble beach and even walked right around Laguna Seca back in 2001 with friends on holiday (that's a vacation if you're American lol).

So I am aware it's not in the Mediterranean but had guessed that the cryptic clue was about "sea" generally and not Mediterranean specifically. Hope that makes sense...
 
Amac500
Well when I went out last night I went out pretty late but here's something now. Been playing around with an app I got that measures the distance. This layout is 26.2 km so it leaves options for PD to have us loop around different roads in Zahara and/or out in the country, but I think the track should run in these general areas. I made sure it does run through the points that @AJHG1000 pin pointed months ago. This is still of course assuming that Zahara won't be a point-to-point track, which we don't know for sure. Also assuming it uses all real world roads, who knows about the PD-isms that could factor in.

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EDIT: Please ignore those pins btw, that's just how the app I was playing with works, they don't actually mean anything. The blue line is all the matters.
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This layout is not what we saw. The video shows the track going at the eastern side of the lake aswell.
IIRC there was an artificial (fantasy) bridge crossing across those smaller water "gaps" (I dont know how to hame them)
 
NixxxoN
This layout is not what we saw. The video shows the track going at the eastern side of the lake aswell.
IIRC there was an artificial (fantasy) bridge crossing across those smaller water "gaps" (I dont know how to hame them)
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Somebody elaborate to me if I'm wrong but from what I've been reading and looking back on in this thread the only camera shots in the video we pin pointed from the eastern side of the lake were shots that didn't show the track. We have shots from the north of the lake where the city is viewed from across the water, if you may have interpreted those as the east side of the lake? If I'm wrong somebody please elaborate to the shots in the video though.
 
I'm not sure we ever saw the eastern side, but I always it assumed it went around the lake.
At 01:20 you see a view from the south east end of the lake, and while you don't see any track it looks like there's some shiny barrier at the bottom of the screen.

It's been a long time since I looked at this, but the best match I had for 0:32- 0:34 was here: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.812...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2Q1OUJFA4FgYMDzRWthvgg!2e0
But it was always the most difficult shot to find something that fitted.
 
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Beat the Beat
I'm not sure we ever saw the eastern side, but I always it assumed it went around the lake.
At 01:20 you see a view from the south end of the lake, and while you don't see any track it looks like there's some shiny barrier at the bottom of the screen.

It's been a long time since I looked at this, but the best match I had for 0:32- 0:34 was here: https://www.google.com/maps/@36.812...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s2Q1OUJFA4FgYMDzRWthvgg!2e0
But it was always the most difficult shot to find something that fitted.
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Good catch at 1:20, that's interesting. The track is suppose to be 27km though, correct? So then we have a bit of a contradiction if it is a circuit track. My track would be if it was 27km and used all permanent roads, because going all the way around the lake would be too long if the roads were real, and if they did cut the road it would cut off the 0:33 camera point which @AJHG1000 identified as point D in this map:

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But if 1:20 is the track going south I think this has to be a point to point, unless the shot is just meant to be artistic because it is very dark and doesn't show much?
 
ProjectWHaT
When was the last time that part of google maps was updated? Maybe there's some new roads when Kaz went there.
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2011 I think, some of the roads away from the lake on my map were 2013.

Beat the Beat
Doesn't post 10 of this thread show how there could be a 27km track around the lake?
The roads in the video didn't follow the real life roads exactly.
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Post 19 also identified point 0:33 as Point D, which would be cut off from the course if the track around the lake with the fictional roads was accurate.

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This could mean nothing but we have seen the stone blocks around the course at the side of the road in the video. I have found a road close to the main stretch of the A-2300, which is the red line on the map. Most likely though the curb stone is like the windmills and road width and is just a PD-ism that they added, so the red line doesn't mean much. I think I may have potentially maybe found the location at 0:05 in the video though, marked with the star on the map.

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I meant to post all of that when I posted my map earlier but I forgot :P
 
Amac500
This could mean nothing but we have seen the stone blocks around the course at the side of the road in the video. I have found a road close to the main stretch of the A-2300, which is the red line on the map. Most likely though the curb stone is like the windmills and road width and is just a PD-ism that they added, so the red line doesn't mean much. I think I may have potentially maybe found the location at 0:05 in the video though, marked with the star on the map.
I meant to post all of that when I posted my map earlier but I forgot :P
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I'm not sure about the star but I agree looks like it follows the red line on the map. I think the only difference is when once it gets closest to the castle, it starts turning steeply downhill towards the lake, as seen at 0:36. I think someone pointed this out a long time ago but I can't find it.
 
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Circuito De La Sierra?


Umm, guys?... Last I remembered "Circuito" means "Circuit", and a circuit ends where it begins, where as a "stage" is usually the terminology used for a track that is a point to point. So I'm pretty sure the course is a circuit, i.e. not point-to-point.

"cir·cuit
ˈsərkət/
noun
noun: circuit; plural noun: circuits; noun: cir.; noun: circ.
1.
a roughly circular line, route, or movement that starts and finishes at the same place.
"I ran a circuit of the village"
synonyms:lap, turn, round, circle
"two circuits of the course"
 
SZRT Ice
Circuito De La Sierra?


Umm, guys?... Last I remembered "Circuito" means "Circuit", and a circuit ends where it begins, where as a "stage" is usually the terminology used for a track that is a point to point. So I'm pretty sure the course is a circuit, i.e. not point-to-point.

"cir·cuit
ˈsərkət/
noun
noun: circuit; plural noun: circuits; noun: cir.; noun: circ.
1.
a roughly circular line, route, or movement that starts and finishes at the same place.
"I ran a circuit of the village"
synonyms:lap, turn, round, circle
"two circuits of the course"
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Well obviously but from how we can interprite the information we have right now not all of it adds up to a lap of a circuit with in the 27km distance, and if it doesn't work it would just mean PD broke that rule, and from what we can tell there's about a 50/50 chance they might have, but everybody obviously knows what a circuit is.
 
SZRT Ice
Circuito De La Sierra?


Umm, guys?... Last I remembered "Circuito" means "Circuit", and a circuit ends where it begins, where as a "stage" is usually the terminology used for a track that is a point to point. So I'm pretty sure the course is a circuit, i.e. not point-to-point.

"cir·cuit
ˈsərkət/
noun
noun: circuit; plural noun: circuits; noun: cir.; noun: circ.
1.
a roughly circular line, route, or movement that starts and finishes at the same place.
"I ran a circuit of the village"
synonyms:lap, turn, round, circle
"two circuits of the course"
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Well, there's Special Stage Route 5, X and 7.
 
sparkytooth
Well, there's Special Stage Route 5, X and 7.
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Route, not Circuit.

My point was not to prove that a circuit could not also be a stage. My point was to prove that a circuit is not a point to point.

It's not called "Stage De La Sierra"...

-_-
 
SZRT Ice
Route, not Circuit.

My point was not to prove that a circuit could not also be a stage. My point was to prove that a circuit is not a point to point.

It's not called "Stage De La Sierra"...

-_-
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I understand, but I'm pointing out that having stage or circuit in it's name isn't an automatic indication. Although I'm more partial to believe Circuito de la Sierra is a looping course like the Nurb is.
 
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