Mapping "Zahara de la Sierra" (new GT6 track)

[Beat the Beat]

They use GPS data to create all their tracks, but it could be some sort of generation test.
I think this will have been tweaked as it doesn't seem to be drivable the whole distance, they'd have to walk some and drive some, but they would be a able to do what they like with the data before it generated a track.

In some of the longer shots it looks like the area beyond the track borders just uses a satellite photo, or maybe it's just the video compression.


I wouldn't be surprised if they require you to travel to Ronda to design your own track via gps, so I'm not getting my hopes up for the feature.

 

[TorqueWrench]

They use laser scanning on the tracks.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Your Connecting invisible dots with imaginary lines.

Much like the course maker at the moment

 

[jontikis]

1) meaningless

2) nothing to do with Zahara

3) nothing to do with Zahara

3) nothing to do with Zahara

4) make CM Fantacy tracks, not recreate real locations. This again has nothing to do with Zahara

Following paragraph has again nothing to do with Zahara. It's not accurot in the slightest to recreate a real location, only map a rout taken, this would provide data like in GT5 where we modified sections of a map layout to come up with a "course" base then we add in the details. None of this is applicable to Zahara.

Your Connecting invisible dots with imaginary lines.

If I remember, Kaz said that PD will release one or two new tracks created from Course Maker like examples, before they release the completed Course Maker II. Maybe that's his point.

 

[Beat the Beat]

They use laser scanning on the tracks.

Laser scanning, gps, photography, aerial photography.

 

[TorqueWrench]

If I remember, Kaz said that PD will release one or two new tracks created from Course Maker like examples, before they release the completed Course Maker II. Maybe that's his point.

Releasing 2 course maker tracks is not the same thing. If they intend on demoing the CM with a few tracks, they will use it in the same way the user can, for them to show how it can be used, "Demo". Since the user will not be able to recreate a location as Zahara CLEARLY is a recreated location, why on earth would they demo course maker with things the user cannot do? Makes no sense. That would be stupid. WHEN CM is released it will provably include 2 or 3 demo Fantacy tracks built with a GPS mapped rout. Its not going to be 2 recreated locations using CM, that's silly speculating.

Laser scanning, gps, photography, aerial photography.

They use MANY tools, to think they tossed them all for a simple GPS rout is ridiculous. Toss tge GPS over the Laser sxanner any day of the week. They built it the sane way they built RBR, or have they changed the procedures since the last track was built?

 

[BrandonW77]

1) meaningless

2) nothing to do with Zahara

3) nothing to do with Zahara

3) nothing to do with Zahara

4) make CM Fantacy tracks, not recreate real locations. This again has nothing to do with Zahara

Following paragraph has again nothing to do with Zahara. It's not accurot in the slightest to recreate a real location, only map a rout taken, this would provide data like in GT5 where we modified sections of a map layout to come up with a "course" base then we add in the details. None of this is applicable to Zahara.

Your Connecting invisible dots with imaginary lines.

You're awful sure of yourself, even though you keep calling it Zahara when the images/video only reference it as Sierra.

 

[TorqueWrench]

You're awful sure of yourself, even though you keep calling it Zahara when the images/video only reference it as Sierra.

Common sense, I know its not really common though.

Zahara, Siera, "long Spanish Track", " you know that place, right after the thing" , the name of the track is irrelevant.

 

[Beat the Beat]

They use MANY tools, to think they tossed them all for a simple GPS rout is ridiculous. Toss tge GPS over the Laser sxanner any day of the week. They built it the sane way they built RBR, or have they changed the procedures since the last track was built?

I don't think there was anything to laser scan in this case, nothing we've seen is a millimetre accurate representation of the real place. I am not saying this will be an accurate representation of a course creator map, but some of the quirks in its appearance might be similar to how one would look.

Tracks like Eiger and Matterhorn were probably walked out along hiking trails, so I think those were created with GPS too, but those obviously aren't course maker.

 

[Furinkazen]

Common sense, I know its not really common though.

Zahara, Siera, "long Spanish Track", " you know that place, right after the thing" , the name of the track is irrelevant.

I call it Jerez . Still irrelavant?

 

[jontikis]

I call it Jerez ;p. Still irrelavant?

 

[fagnerpc]

Probably, this 'Circuito de la Sierra' will be the 'teaser track' Kaz said so many times before

“We might start off by providing tracks that we’ve made to the users first – and then the editing user interface might come a little bit after that.”
https://www.gtplanet.net/kazunori-yamauchi-tamir-moscovici-interview-jff-2013/

i think the Zahara area will be available as a theme for the new Course Maker... the landscape they modeled is huge and the Course Maker will be limited to pre determined routes (something like the PGR's course maker)

the GPS stuff is a totally different thing...

 

[eran0004]

1) meaningless

2) nothing to do with Zahara

3) nothing to do with Zahara

3) nothing to do with Zahara

4) make CM Fantacy tracks, not recreate real locations. This again has nothing to do with Zahara

Following paragraph has again nothing to do with Zahara. It's not accurot in the slightest to recreate a real location, only map a rout taken, this would provide data like in GT5 where we modified sections of a map layout to come up with a "course" base then we add in the details. None of this is applicable to Zahara.

Your Connecting invisible dots with imaginary lines.

This is starting to get hilarious.

1. It is meaningful, because the resemblance to course maker tracks of GT5 suggests that this track is made with a course maker tool. Other tracks in GT6 does not look like this. So if it doesn't look like anything else in GT6, but it do look like course maker tracks in GT5, what does that mean to you? Nothing at all?

2. It is relevant, because it shows that a course maker has been planned which in turn opens up the possibility that this track was made with it.

3. Highly relevant, as it shows that the course maker GPS feature is actually pretty far gone in development, which again shows that it's possible that this track was made with it.

4. Wrong, he didn't say that they would use it to make "CM Fantacy tracks". In fact, in the presentation in spring 2013 he explicitly said that the landscape around Ronda would be used for the course maker. Zahara de la Sierra is a 40 minute drive from Ronda. What better way to showcase the power of the course maker tool than to try and replicate a real road? Yes, it's speculation. And yes, it does make sense.

Nothing of this proves beyond reasonable doubt that Zahara was made with the course maker, but it does show that is plausible, or even likely.

 

[Zlork]

For me, Sierra is a track like any other. Not at all a theme for Course Maker.

 

[TorqueWrench]

I call it Jerez ;p. Still irrelavant?

Call it what you like, not relevant. You can call it Snoopy if you like, doesn't matter.

Honestly it looks like a new event. Timed sectors or whatever, nothing is clear enough to say anything with certainty.

Its hilarious how you make connections that do not exist because your too hyped up for CM.

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All have no direct connection to Zahara. They are relevant to GT6 yes, but no ties to Zahara beyond your speculating.

Number 1 looks more like a new special event vs something out of GT5 CM.

I'm not trying to get you guys into a twisted pair of panties. There is just too much speculating going on, its getting too close to being reveilled the board is on edge. So don't take my comments so personal. IMO CM had nothing to do with Zahara, IYO it built the track. Let's agree to dissagree

Its a box with poison and a cat inside. The cat is both dead and alive until we open the box

 

[BrandonW77]

Common sense, I know its not really common though.

Zahara, Siera, "long Spanish Track", " you know that place, right after the thing" , the name of the track is irrelevant.

So, if I say "that race track in Germany" you'll know exactly which one I'm referring to then. Your information/opinion is no better or more accurate than anybody else's, but the way you present your information/opinion certainly leaves a lot to be desired. Offending people is always a good way to get them on your side. 👍

 

[TorqueWrench]

So, if I say "that race track in Germany" you'll know exactly which one I'm referring to then. Your information/opinion is no better or more accurate than anybody else's, but the way you present your information/opinion certainly leaves a lot to be desired. Offending people is always a good way to get them on your side. 👍

I didn't mean to get your panties all tied up. Your a little bit sensitive, aren't yah.

Track name Zahara or Sierra is not relevant if all parties are aware of what exactly is reffered to. To point out that is something....

I understand you are wanting CM so bad your seeing CM in everything. Doesn't mean everything has to do with CM

 

[jontikis]

Anyway, don't care about how they built the track. I'm just waiting to drive it...

 

[BrandonW77]

I didn't mean to get your panties all tied up.

No worries, just give them back to me when you're done with them.

 

[TorqueWrench]

No worries, just give them back to me when you're done with them.

**Cough**

Here you go, yes they were in my mouth, Im just Nasty like that

lol glad we above the petty squable over nothing really

 

[fagnerpc]

4. Wrong, he didn't say that they would use it to make "CM Fantacy tracks". In fact, in the presentation in spring 2013 he explicitly said that the landscape around Ronda would be used for the course maker. Zahara de la Sierra is a 40 minute drive from Ronda. What better way to showcase the power of the course maker tool than to try and replicate a real road? Yes, it's speculation. And yes, it does make sense.

Nothing of this proves beyond reasonable doubt that Zahara was made with the course maker, but it does show that is plausible, or even likely.

Yep, i don't get the misunderstanding... the course maker will be available with themes/ locations and the area of Andalucia was announced as one


@14:40 - This is a scenery from Andalucia area of Spain and you can layout your track in the scenery.


btw
Circuito de la Sierra - track
Andalucia / Zahara - area/ location
2 different things

 

[eran0004]

Its hilarious how you make connections that do not exist because your too hyped up for CM.

1)
2)
3)
4)

All have no direct connection to Zahara. They are relevant to GT6 yes, but no ties to Zahara beyond your speculating.

For someone who is overly sceptical about these things it's surprising to see that you claim to know my motives for posting what I posted. It's not very surprising to see that you're completely wrong about it though. My post was just a casual comment on the course maker being used to make the track: yes, it does look like it was made with course maker and I'd say that probably the GPS tool was used as well.

The connections do exist. The problem seems to be that according to you nothing can possibly be true unless it's 100% confirmed.

Its a box with poison and a cat inside. The cat is both dead and alive until we open the box

And here you are saying that any idea about the cat possibly being alive is silly.

 

[machine1121]

First of all, I don't believe that Sierra is generated from the course maker. It is a real world location and appears to use both real and fantasy sections of road.

The following quote is from the official GT website, and I believe indicates that two different versions of Course Maker are planned.

Course Maker
This feature, available at a later stage through an update, will allow you to create your own custom tracks that can be driven in the game. Additionally, in another update we will add the possibility to generate a track by capturing the GPS coordinate data of a mobile app while you are driving that course. This GPS-generated tracks will be available in the game as playable content.


The initial Course Maker will be likely be more in the style of GT5 and will use the Andalucia as the setting. Maybe we will have the freedom to pick a layout that uses real roads through Rhonda, Zahara, the surrounding areas, etc. Maybe it will only be the terrain and just a GT5 Course Maker with more freedom to create the layout you want. Maybe it will be something in between. I hope that it is released soon, but I'm not counting on it in the pending 1.12 update. Until it is released, we will just have to enjoy Sierra and the time really event.

The much more ambitious GPS Course Maker will be "in another update" according to the official description. Speculate as much as you want about this, but we don't really know what capability we will have. Personally I hope that point-to-point tracks are possible. I hope that there are a variety of generic scenery backdrops (i.e. forest, desert, mountain, etc...). I hope there will be community features to allow users to share there creations. I hope ..., I hope ..., etc...

I'm sure there are other threads for Course Maker speculation, so I won't go any further here. Circuit de la Sierra looks amazing, and I can't wait to drive a number of European classics through southern Spain.

 

[TorqueWrench]

Ohh back at it lol, I thought this petty BS was done when I spit out a pair of twisted panties.

For someone who is overly sceptical about these things it's surprising to see that you claim to know my motives for posting what I posted. It's not very surprising to see that you're completely wrong about it though. My post was just a casual comment on the course maker being used to make the track: yes, it does look like it was made with course maker and I'd say that probably the GPS tool was used as well.

The course maker IMO has nothing to do with the new Zahara/Sierra track soon coming. When Course Maker is released you will see what extent CM can be used, when GPS track Creator is released you will see what it can do AND IF there will even be a connection between the 2. This is just my opinion but based on common sense over over blind enthusiasm. I can be wrong completely and Sierra/Zahara is a GPS/CM built track, but I doubt it.

Your motives IMO are clear, and from my perspective your seeing CM and GPS in things that have nothing to do with them. My opinion is that's out of excitement, anticipation, and a grueling wait, but if its that or anything else doesn't matter to me.

The connections do exist. The problem seems to be that according to you nothing can possibly be true unless it's 100% confirmed.

Yeah they are both connected to GT6, upcoming potential featured of GT6, not call connected to each other.

 

[Mr Grumpy]

New update = nice.
New track = nice.
New cars = nice.
But..... Still no ability to create multiple races in sequence as it says on the official website under the online features (available out the box, not in a future update I might add).
9 months on & still just 1 pointless race at a time, GT online needs a serious overhaul.
Priorities PD priorities.

 

[TorqueWrench]

Oh My God

New update = nice.
New track = nice.
New cars = nice.
But..... Still no ability to create multiple races in sequence as it says on the official website under the online features (available out the box, not in a future update I might add).
9 months on & still just 1 pointless race at a time, GT online needs a serious overhaul.
Priorities PD priorities.

PD has got to get on that, like seriously, I can't enjoy the game because of that missing feature.


PD building tracks and cars for updates HAS TO STOP while they fix this ever so important missing feature everybody has to have.

That's one of the features they can toss IMO they are prioritizing, that just happens to be low low low low on the list as it should be.

 

[stuff1138]

quick someone grab a napkin and draw the course map of Zahara on it...this thread is way off topic!

 

[Beat the Beat]

Yeah they are both connected to GT6, upcoming potential featured of GT6, not call connected to each other.

Their location is another connection, after a lot of mixed messages about the size, they said you'd be able to fit 10 times Nurburgring in the course maker area, so I could see it stretching from Ronda to the lake.

 

[stuff1138]

Their location is another connection, after a lot of mixed messages about the size, they said you'd be able to fit 10 times Nurburgring in there, so I could see it stretching from Ronda to the lake.

10 times the Nurburgring? What happened to 27 km?

 

[eran0004]

The course maker IMO has nothing to do with the new Zahara/Sierra track soon coming. When Course Maker is released you will see what extent CM can be used, when GPS track Creator is released you will see what it can do AND IF there will even be a connection between the 2. This is just my opinion but based on common sense over over blind enthusiasm. I can be wrong completely and Sierra/Zahara is a GPS/CM built track, but I doubt it.

Common sense needs some kind of reason behind it. You haven't shared any reason for your scepticism (other than "of course not" / "you must be joking" / "common sense" etc.)

What you're calling "blind enthusiasm" on the other hand is in fact backed up by hard facts. Is it speculation? Yes. Is it speculation without any substance? No. You need to learn how to differentiate between the two.

And no, the reason why I'm having this discussion with you is not because I'm super hyped about Zahara de la Sierra or the course maker, the reason is that you misunderstood my first post and then attributed a lot of false statements to me which I had to correct.