Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots

[Solid Lifters]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155464

Well, MGS4 has been unofficially delayed to Spring 2008. Good news is that it'll likely add rumble and Home support. Bad news is that it makes the PS3's holiday line-up less... enticing.

This rumor has been going around for about a week, now. I don't think it holds any water. It started with EBGames changing the arrival date, and so everybody thinks they have some inside info the rest of us don't. How many times did they get it wrong? Too many times to list.

To point out, there are now people on the net saying it's a rumor 'cause the game is coming out in about 5-6 weeks. Yet another rumor.

Rumors, only. They aren't worth anything.


Oh, and VEXD, that ain't me.

 

[godzilla_GTR]

lol, i was trying to find were it said it was you for day's go back to see were you said you were going etc. isn't spring 2008 about the time gt5 is coming...until it get's delayed

 

[DuckRacer]

This rumor has been going around for about a week, now. I don't think it holds any water. It started with EBGames changing the arrival date, and so everybody thinks they have some inside info the rest of us don't. How many times did they get it wrong? Too many times to list.

Give me examples of EB getting it wrong.

 

[Solid Lifters]

How many times did they get it wrong? Too many times to list.

I'll list at least one. MGS3. January, when it came out November.

Many, many more.

 

[DuckRacer]

I'll list at least one. MGS3. January, when it came out November.

Many, many more.

When you say January, are you talking about Jan '05 or Jan '04?

 

[Solid Lifters]

When you say January, are you talking about Jan '05 or Jan '04?

What the hell difference does it make; they got it wrong.

 

[DuckRacer]

What the hell difference does it make; they got it wrong.

Yes, it does make a difference, at least to me. If it was January of '04, they were essentially right (unless Jan '04 was the first tentative release date) about MGS3 being delayed. If it was '05, they were wrong like you said. I just want a number, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Zrow]

Great, so now I have to buy another $500 console if I want to play the next game in one of my favorite series. That's just spectacular.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

Great, so now I have to buy another $500 console if I want to play the next game in one of my favorite series. That's just spectacular.

Maybe you shouldn't have purchased the first one, and just gotten the second

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

Give me examples of EB getting it wrong.

Check out EB Games PS3 launch "guide" if you can find it. Here are all the titles they had listed as "launch" titles.

Virtua Fighter 5
Gran Turismo HD
Fight Night
Rainbow Six: Vegas
FEAR
Final Fantasy XIII


Other dates they've gotten wrong? GT4 (not even keeping up with the announced dates, they simply listed it as "TBA" for some time, and others never updated their release books after delays, simply removing it entirely).

Should I mention the MULTIPLE times that FFXII was placed on their "release" list, when no date had even been set for at least 5 months proir to the games release, yet their "release" date was always nearly 31 days out of the date of the list.

I can source many many more examples. It wouldn't be worth the time.

 

[Zrow]

Maybe you shouldn't have purchased the first one, and just gotten the second

Oh don't get me wrong, I love my 360 and would still buy it if I had the choice. My point is that I'm sick of having to basically choose which console has less games that I can live without. I'd everything to get cross-platformed so you don't have to drop half a grand for a single game like MGS4 or Gears of War.

I can't realistically see MGS not going to the 360 eventually, though - seems like too huge of a market for Konami to ignore.

 

[Solid Lifters]

The new Ryan Report is up. Interesting info, but nothing is really confirmed. But, there were some interesting questions asked and some interesting answers that really don't answer the question, but do make things interesting.

lol I can't believe I just wrote that. I need bed, sleepy.

 

[DuckRacer]

The new Ryan Report is up. Interesting info, but nothing is really confirmed. But, there were some interesting questions asked and some interesting answers that really don't answer the question, but do make things interesting.

lol I can't believe I just wrote that. I need bed, sleepy.

For those who need clued in:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3159604

"I can tell you honestly at this point, we have not changed the game in any form with the idea of 'oh, we got to do this on 360.' Put aside whether or not we're developing for 360 or not, the game is built on the PS3 hardware, as you guys have known for the past two years or so."

So, this is almost like OJ and his book on how he would theoretically murder Nicole and Ronald.

Just make the announcement already, Konami. We're tired of speculating.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

For those who need clued in:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3159604



So, this is almost like OJ and his book on how he would theoretically murder Nicole and Ronald.

Just make the announcement already, Konami. We're tired of speculating.

The more I read your posts, the more you seem like a GAF follower. Almost all of your opinions / comments fall right in line with the general consensus there...

Off topic: MG: PO is freaking awesome. (I finally bought a PSP).

 

[Solid Lifters]

The more I read your posts, the more you seem like a GAF follower. Almost all of your opinions / comments fall right in line with the general consensus there...

Off topic: MG: PO is freaking awesome. (I finally bought a PSP).

I haven't either. But, I will. I have to. Because of MGSPO. I need to do that before MGS4. I'm waiting for it to go on sale. The PSP just went on sale. I figure, soon will MGSPO.

 

[DuckRacer]

I haven't either. But, I will. I have to. Because of MGSPO. I need to do that before MGS4. I'm waiting for it to go on sale. The PSP just went on sale. I figure, soon will MGSPO.

I'd wait until E3 before you buy a PSP... Sony's planning a major revision (like DS Phat -> DS Lite revision), so you should keep that in mind.

 

[Dead_Poetic]

MGSPO is fun. We play it in 1st period almost everyday through game sharing. It passes the time quickly though I never play my PSP at home. It and my charger never leave my backpack.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

It's an amazing game, the portable mission set up is awesome, and I love running into hot spots and getting new troops. Very genius, Konami is awesome.

 

[Solid Lifters]

It's an amazing game, the portable mission set up is awesome, and I love running into hot spots and getting new troops. Very genius, Konami is awesome.

I'm glad to hear you enjoy it, 'cause I'm betting that means I'll really enjoy it too, since I'm a huge fan of the series.

Not to spoil anything, but can you capture anybody and turn them over, or are there some soldiers you just can't turn over? How about bosses, or do you just kill them?

 

[DuckRacer]

http://www.metalgearsolid.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=400062&sid=9892f37c2ace0dbda6aed4b7fdb9074f

Looks like Kojima remastered the E3 2006 trailer. Better framerate, better lighting, extra things, better particle effects, etc.

Comparison time!

 

[Solid Lifters]

I watched these new videos on Saturday. I thought they looked terrible.

While the yellow intensity is reduced, a good thing, and the contrast increased, I think a good thing, the black levels are lower than before, a bad thing, and the picture clarity is way reduced, a very bad thing.

 

[Gen.]

I watched these new videos on Saturday. I thought they looked terrible.

While the yellow intensity is reduced, a good thing, and the contrast increased, I think a good thing, the black levels are lower than before, a bad thing, and the picture clarity is way reduced, a very bad thing.

Let's hope it was the encoding.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

There are so many different variables along the video chain that unless we are made aware of exactly how these images were created and captured and the equipment used to do it, it would be nearly impossible to know how much of the difference is actually programmed into the game, and how much is really just the difference from one video capture system to another.

 

[Solid Lifters]

See, I told you these videos were nothing special...




Contrary to what the internet will have you believe a new remastered video of MGS4 surfaced yesterday, but Konami says, nuh uh. Gamesradar is reporting that Konami has not issued a ‘remastered’ or enhanced video of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.
GamesRadar spoke to Konami, who informed them that the trailer which appeared on a new MGS site yesterday morning, and which certain aggregate portals, news blogs and websites claim displays new visual effects, is definitely not new. Konami stressed to us that it has not released any new footage, and that we won’t see anything of MGS4 until E3 2007 in August.

This ‘new’ footage is simply a recut version of last year’s E3 trailer. Smoke effects, particles, melon physics, textures - all of these things are exactly the same in both versions, with not a hint of any retouched effects to be seen. So basically the internet got pwned, good to know. You’ll see that Deeko did not fall for this trick because we are stealthy pirate ninjas of the highest calibur…snoogins. So if you thought the game somehow looked better in the video, you’re eyes have deceived you friend.

http://www.deeko.com/news/?p=1920


E3 in August? I don't think so, dude.

 

[DuckRacer]

I doubt them. Slide 4 in the image I posted had the guy wearing different clothes. Slides 7 and 8 have more sparks. Slide 15 has the PS3 logo removed.

So yeah, I'm guessing Konami's rep needs new info. Or that I'm not understanding "recut = different clothes and more sparks".

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

See, I told you these videos were nothing special...




Contrary to what the internet will have you believe a new remastered video of MGS4 surfaced yesterday, but Konami says, nuh uh. Gamesradar is reporting that Konami has not issued a ‘remastered’ or enhanced video of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots.
GamesRadar spoke to Konami, who informed them that the trailer which appeared on a new MGS site yesterday morning, and which certain aggregate portals, news blogs and websites claim displays new visual effects, is definitely not new. Konami stressed to us that it has not released any new footage, and that we won’t see anything of MGS4 until E3 2007 in August.

This ‘new’ footage is simply a recut version of last year’s E3 trailer. Smoke effects, particles, melon physics, textures - all of these things are exactly the same in both versions, with not a hint of any retouched effects to be seen. So basically the internet got pwned, good to know. You’ll see that Deeko did not fall for this trick because we are stealthy pirate ninjas of the highest calibur…snoogins. So if you thought the game somehow looked better in the video, you’re eyes have deceived you friend.

http://www.deeko.com/news/?p=1920


E3 in August? I don't think so, dude.

Wrong on many accounts.

1st off, however, I'd like to comment on your bit about "black levels" in a previous post. It's wrong. The black levels, rather, the dynamic range of colors and shadows in this new trailer is SIGNIFICANTLY improved, GOOD THING (not a bad thing, like you would lead us to believe). The lighting looks much more natural now, and is far improved over the 1st master.

Then there's your issue with the image clarity. The video you remember seeing was cut in HD, this video has only been cut in SD thus far. The reasons are likely because someone wanted a quick encode and hijacked the trailer to post w/out Konami's consent. There is no doubt in my mind this IS a remaster with new effects, and falling for the lame ass PR that Konami spread after it's leak is ridiculous.

Case closed.

Edit: In ref to the quoted post, I'm not sure if you are agreeing with it or not, since you never commented further. My statments about black levels and shadow detail still stand. The new trailer is far superior.

 

[DuckRacer]

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Holy crap, that's a massive improvement.

 

[godzilla_GTR]

god yea, can't wait for this, and a ps3

 

[Solid Lifters]

Wrong on many accounts.

1st off, however, I'd like to comment on your bit about "black levels" in a previous post. It's wrong. The black levels, rather, the dynamic range of colors and shadows in this new trailer is SIGNIFICANTLY improved, GOOD THING (not a bad thing, like you would lead us to believe).

You might like your blacks to look like charcoal gray, which they look like now in the 'recut' videos, but that's only your opinion. Blacks looking like blacks is obviously mine. I want blacks to look like blacks, so that's why I don't like the current videos.

However, is this a problem with the game or the conversion of the video? We wont know until E3 when we get to see the new videos as they should be seen.

The lighting looks much more natural now, and is far improved over the 1st master.

I think it's a little too washed out, but it is a little better. That's the increase in contrast I was referring to, which I said was improved. If it came to black levels looking like charcoal gray but improved contrast from the original, I'm all for it. 👍

Then there's your issue with the image clarity. The video you remember seeing was cut in HD, this video has only been cut in SD thus far. The reasons are likely because someone wanted a quick encode and hijacked the trailer to post w/out Konami's consent. There is no doubt in my mind this IS a remaster with new effects, and falling for the lame ass PR that Konami spread after it's leak is ridiculous.

I don't think you understood me, here. I know the video was 'recut' and all, and new 'effects' and 'features' that enhance detail. I just don't think it's anything special, until we see it as it should; with improved video clarity. I understand that the videos provided were redone by somebody so they could be downloaded and thus they made the video quality worse. So, why are people raving about them? The videos people are raving about look like CRAP! I'm waiting for the good stuff. Slightly adding particle effects and other tiny details ain't gonna do it for me.

When the videos come out at E3, then I'll comment on the new features. For now, I'll just ignore all this crap.

This shows the little details they've added, but mostly the improved video framerate which I think was greatly improved.

 

[Jeremy Ricci]

Thing is solid, there are zero situations in that trailer where there would be zero light, thus, there would be absolutely not spot for absolute black.

If you want crappy dynamic range for colors, blacks, contrast, and shadow detail, then that's your thing, I'll take the significantly improved new trailer over that garbage anyday.

And people are raving about the trailer because it's frame rate doesn't chug during the scene's they used to, and it's technically superior, which means that the engine is coming along nicely and that the game has a lot more to offer. Not because there's a few extra rocks flying around when the wall breaks.