MH370: Malaysian Airlines Flight to Beijing carrying 239 people is lost over sea.

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These pings were apparently re-detected by the same Chinese ship that found it; search planes are being sent to that area as well as the Echo and Ocean Shield, in addition to the regular scheduled search that is taking place.
The Chinese have asked the Aussies for acoustic detection help in the area that the alleged pings were discovered - an area that has a depth of about 4.5 kilometers; about as easy as recovering a snowball from hell. The second detection, though, was from a location not as deep - about 2.5 kilometers deep.
Which begs another round of questions.
Was it the same beacon?
Would this be all freak acoustics due to the nature of the ocean itself?
Someone playing with their fish-finder?
Dolphins wailing?

HMS Echo will get there first - and hopefully get us some answers. Or not. Which would be an answer in itself.

This whole incident only proves that Big Brother isn't looking at everything as hard as we thought they were; and it proves that (for the moment) to those with both good or bad intentions.

Are there any positives to this situation?
It seems callous to look for positives in such a tragic incident, but it shows that the nations of the World can work together when needed - Japanese and Koreans working side by side, Chinese, Malaysians, Aussies and Brits, all working towards a common cause for once.
This has also set the Commercial Airline Industry, and all the related disciplines, on its ear, shaking them out of complacency, and awakening them to the fact that they should keep an eye on their fleet, and therefore the precious cargo they contain, at all times - not just in the hangars and security check-points.

The mystery deepens.
 
photonrider
The Chinese have asked the Aussies for acoustic detection help in the area that the alleged pings were discovered - an area that has a depth of about 4.5 kilometers; about as easy as recovering a snowball from hell.
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Some classical interpretations - most notably Dante's "Inferno" - suggest Hell is not fire and brimstone, but ice and despair.
 
TenEightyOne
Because they did it. It's obvious, isn't it? You don't just "find a plane, gosh how did that happen?". Not in Ultraviolenzzzzzz's mad plane-stealing worst-alibi-ever world :D
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L:lol:L Seriously I'm getting a bit nervous about this. I don't trust the main players in this event. It's like it took so long to "find" the plane because they are also finding the right timing to reveal its location. I'm gonna stop now.
 
So when is the "right" time?

In a conspiracy theory, you have to identify the desired effect and the cause for which an action is performed.

China may be a bully, but it has little to gain from setting up Malaysia for killing Chinese citizens through (what is obviously) utter neglect. It's the Philippines and Vietnam China needs to work on.
 
It's what happening right now. They want to confuse the world and to anger the families of the victims.(to rally their people to ask for---see sentence 4) In the midst of confusion while the others are searching in the "wrong area", they planted fake evidences in their planned crash site that a South East Asian or Indian Terrorist Group did that. Then they will declare ADIZ in South China Sea and a bit part of Indian Ocean for the reason of "National Security". They will say they're just giving in to the sentiments of their people. Yeah call me what you want...I really hope I'm wrong. I would rather look stupid in this thread than this becoming real.
 
Know the easiest way to make it appear that an airplane has crashed?

Crash an airplane.

While it's possible to plant a single black box (though not possible to make the data and identification marks look convincing unless they have the original), it's not possible to plant an entire fake airplane in the middle of nowhere.

Same issue as the "Loose Change Theory" on 9/11. Easiest way to make it appear an airplane has crashed into a building? Crash an airplane into a building.

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While China has created false crises in the past to drum up patriotic support for the party (anti-Japanese protests, propaganda about the Philippines invading during the start of the South China Sea tensions last year)... they don't have to formulate some ridiculously complicated plot to drum up patriotism.

China has an ethnic strife issue. If they want public reaffirmation of the Party, all they have to do is plant a bomb on the plane, blow it up, and have the Uighurs claim they did it.

Saying China did all this for that reason or similar ignores the fact that no serious terror groups claimed responsibility after the fact, and that China's only beef with Malaysia through all of this is of their gross incompetence rather than any claims of Malaysia actively killing off Chinese citizens.
 
niky
China has an ethnic strife issue. If they want public reaffirmation of the Party, all they have to do is plant a bomb on the plane, blow it up, and have the Uighurs claim they did it.

Saying China did all this for that reason or similar ignores the fact that no serious terror groups claimed responsibility after the fact, and that China's only beef with Malaysia through all of this is of their gross incompetence rather than any claims of Malaysia actively killing off Chinese citizens.
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The following is a report of savage knife attack by Uyghurs in China:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/asia/china-railway-attack/
Twenty-nine people were killed and 130 were injured Saturday night when 10 men armed with long knives stormed the station in the southwest Chinese city of Kunming, the state news agency Xinhua reported.

Members of a separatist group from Xinjiang, in northwest China, are believed to have carried out the assault, authorities said. The report referred to them as "terrorists."

There have been many such murderous "long knife" attacks, and at least one failed aircraft hijacking by Uyghurs. They have claimed responsibility for MH370. Why should they not be taken seriously?
 
ULTRAVIOLENZZ
It's what happening right now. They want to confuse the world and to anger the families of the victims.(to rally their people to ask for---see sentence 4) In the midst of confusion while the others are searching in the "wrong area", they planted fake evidences in their planned crash site that a South East Asian or Indian Terrorist Group did that. Then they will declare ADIZ in South China Sea and a bit part of Indian Ocean for the reason of "National Security". They will say they're just giving in to the sentiments of their people. Yeah call me what you want...I really hope I'm wrong. I would rather look stupid in this thread than this becoming real.
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I hear that the Chinese are hunting down people that might expose their cunning plot. There have been several prominent internet bloggers claiming similar things to yourself who have mysteriously stopped responding to communications recently.

Beware men in black vans, and definitely don't take any free candy.
 
One detail in particular that's not come to light is who exactly was onboard the aircraft. I understand that out of respect for the families many names are kept anonymous, but then again, many families also want to know who was onboard. I believe this is a big factor, especially when you consider there were two people with fake passports onboard.
 
Sam48
One detail in particular that's not come to light is who exactly was onboard the aircraft. I understand that out of respect for the families many names are kept anonymous, but then again, many families also want to know who was onboard. I believe this is a big factor, especially when you consider there were two people with fake passports onboard.
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A simple Google search gives me a full list of all the people on board of the plane. With 2 names having an * behind it as their passports were stolen and thus they are still alive.
 
Dennisch
A simple Google search gives me a full list of all the people on board of the plane. With 2 names having an * behind it as their passports were stolen and thus they are still alive.
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Oh, well shows how up to date I am.
 
The Ocean Shield, an Australian search vessel has now also heard the ping. Should be matter of time now for them to find some piece of wreckage. Unless it was a "soft" landing and the plane went down mostly intact, there should be some debris still floating out there.
 
Dotini
There have been many such murderous "long knife" attacks, and at least one failed aircraft hijacking by Uyghurs. They have claimed responsibility for MH370. Why should they not be taken seriously?
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The problem is, the only Uighur on board appears not to have been a radical. And furthermore, would have been incapable of taking the plane by himself.
 
niky
The problem is, the only Uighur on board appears not to have been a radical. And furthermore, would have been incapable of taking the plane by himself.
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Okay. If that is the only problem, I think that I can address that for you tomorrow. Tonight, it's Game of Thrones!
 
Or maybe its the other way around. Country #1 did covertly attack them, plant fake evidences that a terrorist group in Country #2 attack them. Country #3 an ally of Country #1 gives hint where the plane is and tada! Its war! Let's just watch it unfold. I just hope they dont declare ADIZ or will point fingers and declaring war to anyone. Of course I'm just having fun speculating so please guys don't take me seriously.
 
ULTRAVIOLENZZ
Or maybe its the other way around. Country #1 did covertly attack them, plant fake evidences that a terrorist group in Country #2 attack them. Country #3 an ally of Country #1 gives hint where the plane is and tada! Its war! Let's just watch it unfold. I just hope they dont declare ADIZ or will point fingers and declaring war to anyone. Of course I'm just having fun speculating so please guys don't take me seriously.
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I'm going to go on a limb here and say you probably don't have a ton of education...if so you wouldn't come up with convoluted ideas and event that so easily unfold into war. Especially something that could be so easily put together by someone with no formal training, no offense.
 
niky
Know the easiest way to make it appear that an airplane has crashed?

Crash an airplane.

While it's possible to plant a single black box (though not possible to make the data and identification marks look convincing unless they have the original), it's not possible to plant an entire fake airplane in the middle of nowhere.
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Its not the fake plane. Its the actual plane that they planned crashed there with a clean up group waiting to take the real black box etc. and plant fake evidences. The group might look like fishing vessels for cover up. Of course its not about Malaysians, of course they wouldn't bomb a plane from the Philippines or Vietnam it would be obvious. Also its not about reaffirmation of the party. As you said "they don't have to formulate some ridiculously complicated plot to drum up patriotism." because its just all about seeking "National Security" in South China Sea and Indian Ocean.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
I'm going to go on a limb here and say you probably don't have a ton of education...if so you wouldn't come up with convoluted ideas and event that so easily unfold into war. Especially something that could be so easily put together by someone with no formal training, no offense.
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Its cool bro. I'm just speculating. Like predicting lottery numbers.
 
ULTRAVIOLENZZ
Its not the fake plane. Its the actual plane that they planned crashed there with a clean up group waiting to take the real black box etc. and plant fake evidences. The group might look like fishing vessels for cover up. Of course its not about Malaysians, of course they wouldn't bomb a plane from the Philippines or Vietnam it would be obvious. Also its not about reaffirmation of the party. As you said "they don't have to formulate some ridiculously complicated plot to drum up patriotism." because its just all about seeking "National Security" in South China Sea and Indian Ocean.
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Having a fake terrorist fake hijack a plane and crash it in the Indian Ocean does nothing for China in terms of National Security. They have no land that borders it. They have no enemies in the area they'd want to control. Australia and India are too strong for China to want to take on... at all. I think you're misunderstanding the distance between China and the place where they're saying the pings are coming from.

Also... if you've already taken the plane, why would you need a fake black box? Have the hijacker identify as an Uighur to any possible witnesses, living or electronic, and that's what he will come out as.

Again, as LMS says... too complicated. Too convoluted. And the crash happens in waters of no strategic importance to China, with no resources they may need (as the South China Sea does).

Crash the plane near the Spratleys. Crash it near the Senkaku islands.

But crash it in the middle of absolute nowhere? No.
 
I say that aliens came and zapped the plane up into their space ship, then flew to the isolation of the Indian ocean so they could launch back to space without being detected (radars, noise, trails in the sky, etc).

It's just research, humans would do the same thing.
 
ULTRAVIOLENZZ
Its cool bro. I'm just speculating. Like predicting lottery numbers.
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Oh I understand that, you said it in the original post I quoted, it's just a bit annoying that after 30 some pages a casual poster in the conspiracy thread, now wants to join and derail anything rational. Just to let you know we're not playing a game of guessing here and some of us, especially of an aviation background take this quite seriously. If you're going to speculate to such a degree, cant you at least sound more convincing and do your HW of the region in question?
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Oh I understand that, you said it in the original post I quoted, it's just a bit annoying that after 30 some pages a casual poster in the conspiracy thread, now wants to join and derail anything rational. Just to let you know we're not playing a game of guessing here and some of us, especially of an aviation background take this quite seriously. If you're going to speculate to such a degree, cant you at least sound more convincing and do your HW of the region in question?
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Im guessing "why" (because of ADIZ theory) the plane end up "there" not "how" (because I don't know if its possible to hack to remotely fly the plane) it end up there. I understand you I'm just giving two cents about this event.
 
prisonermonkeys
Some classical interpretations - most notably Dante's "Inferno" - suggest Hell is not fire and brimstone, but ice and despair.
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Big difference between 'Hell' and 'hell'. ;)

Noted that you're familiar with Dante. And the classics.



The speed-reading in here is beginning to slow me down. :)
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Away for a day - and wow - seems like the discussion has really sparked off again.

There is supposed to be a Press Conference due in a few minutes.
Is it going to be more screen time, a rehash of the same events, or something new?
The Ocean Shield was supposed to have picked up 'acoustic noise'.
The Chinese ship is supposed to have picked up two sets of pings - in proximity.
Echo has been at the site the Chinese picked up the pings.

Angus . . . we're listening.
 
niky
Having a fake terrorist fake hijack a plane and crash it in the Indian Ocean does nothing for China in terms of National Security. They have no land that borders it. They have no enemies in the area they'd want to control. Australia and India are too strong for China to want to take on... at all. I think you're misunderstanding the distance between China and the place where they're saying the pings are coming from.

Also... if you've already taken the plane, why would you need a fake black box? Have the hijacker identify as an Uighur to any possible witnesses, living or electronic, and that's what he will come out as.

Again, as LMS says... too complicated. Too convoluted. And the crash happens in waters of no strategic importance to China, with no resources they may need (as the South China Sea does).

Crash the plane near the Spratleys. Crash it near the Senkaku islands.

But crash it in the middle of absolute nowhere? No.
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Of course if you want to bury a smelly corpse you should dig deep cover it with stones, rocks, twigs, gravel etc. not just a shallow hole covered with soil or...hack it to pieces and "feed" to the "animals". My theory is they would use this issue to declare ADIZ in South China Sea and a "bit" (as stated my post above) part of Indian Ocean. Like you I'm calling this stupid and nonsense because I wish its not true and thankfully there's a very high chance that I'm wrong. My only concern is that I hope they don't use this to raise more tension in the SCS.
 
Here they come . . . everyone tuned in?

TPL has discovered pings - first detection lasted over two hours.
Second detection was held for about 15 mins.
This would be consistent with transmissions from FDR and CVR.

No other sign of aircraft. Attempting to re-acquire signal. AUVs will be deployed.

The Ocean Shield grabbed a signal that lasted two hours twenty mins (1 sec apart) on its first 7 mile-long run at a shallower depth and after its turn captured a second set of signals at a deeper point for around 15 mins. Similar frequencies at two different locations in an area plotted, according to Angus, by 'the people at Kuala Lumpur.'
Whoever they are they could be narrowing this down finally; from a purely personal point of view I am amazed and appreciative of all the nations, and individuals, throwing their energy, resources and passion into this case.

Maybe they found the haystack. Now to look for the needle.
 
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