MH370: Malaysian Airlines Flight to Beijing carrying 239 people is lost over sea.

[Dennisch]

So, the debris they fished out the sea isn't from the airplane.
The search has now been moved 1100km further North East.

Unless they find a lot of debris in the next couple of days this plane's recorders might be lost forever.

 

[SVX]

According to my parents, America has stopped searching. My parents said, America's just waiting for China to come out with some news so America can see how much power China has and how well powerful their satellites are.

FTFY

(Sorry, I don't normally correct grammar on here, but seeing 's used incorrectly makes my grammar OCD go crazy. )

 

[Crispy]

Unless they find a lot of debris in the next couple of days this plane's recorders might be lost forever.

Remember it took two years for the flight recorders to be found after the Air France Airbus crash.

 

[Dennisch]

Remember it took two years for the flight recorders to be found after the Air France Airbus crash.

Yes, but the debris and some bodies from that plane were found in 5 days. This plane has been missing for 3 weeks now. When they find debris that is from that plane they still need to figure out where the plane actually crashed. Most debris would have drift apart by now.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Unfortunately was watching CNN today and apparently people are demanding the truth and evidence as to what really happened. I don't get the passengers' family's angle demanding this. The plane just straight up disappeared and we're all bamboozled by it. Malaysia, as far we know, is handling it pretty much standard fare as well as others that are helping out. It seems like they are making it seem Malaysia is purposely withholding information even though in reality that would be incredibly stupid to do so. Of what benefit would Malaysia get trying to hide info and make this search drawn out and putting a black eye to their airlines?

To be honest I don't get why this is getting more coverage here in America when a more pressing matter is happening in Ukraine, or is it because an American happens to be among those lost at sea?

 

[R.S]

The black box detector supposedly has a radius of 1 mile, if that is truly its limit they really need to be right over the top of it.
I don't think it will ever be found, I mean they are still sending ships to pick up sea rubbish...

 

[Touring Mars]

I don't get the passengers' family's angle demanding this.

Really?

It's not hard to understand their frustration - it's not as if we're talking about lost luggage here. Losing loved ones is an incredibly hard thing to deal with, but I can't imagine how hard it has been for the relatives of the passengers who need to know what has happened. Unfortunately for all concerned, that is proving far easier said than done.

There is no doubt about it, the circumstances surrounding the disappearance of MH 370 are very unusual - but what alot of people are struggling to comprehend is that it is even possible that no-one knows where the plane is, despite the fact that planes have vanished (and never been found) before... it is a rare event, but it has happened.

But while there is a lack of any substantive information, suspicions are likely to grow that someone somewhere is not telling us the whole story - for whatever reason. When dealing with an incident of this scale/nature, it is not hard to imagine that one or more interested parties might not be being completely open and honest - you only need to look at the recent revelations regarding the Lockerbie bombing to see how political meddling can complicate an already complicated and difficult problem.

I feel heart sorry for the friends and families of the missing passengers because the fact is that it may take a very long time to establish what really happened, even with the full cooperation from all parties involved in the search.

 

[Keef]

I don't get the passengers' family's angle demanding this. The plane just straight up disappeared and we're all bamboozled by it.

People like answers and they haven't gotten any. Pretty standard fare while any authority investigates and incident.

Malaysia, as far we know, is handling it pretty much standard fare as well as others that are helping out. It seems like they are making it seem Malaysia is purposely withholding information even though in reality that would be incredibly stupid to do so.

Malaysia has done an embarrassingly poor job of handling this investigation. There's actually quite a lot of reason to suspect foul play not from a terrorist standpoint but from an official government one. It's currently under investigation, hopefully by US and European authorities, because I don't trust Malaysia to match the standards they've set in the past.

To be honest I don't get why this is getting more coverage here in America when a more pressing matter is happening in Ukraine, or is it because an American happens to be among those lost at sea?

This accident in unprecedented. There have been unsolved mysteries but never anything of this scale. You're watching aviation history in the making. Ukraine and Russia are a relative non-issue as far as the US is concerned. Nothing more than a local territorial conflict.

 

[Liquid]

Ukraine and Russia are a relative non-issue as far as the US is concerned. Nothing more than a local territorial conflict.

That's not strictly true when the US is rushing to the negotiation table and because of the Budapest agreement but point taken because this:

This accident in unprecedented. There have been unsolved mysteries but never anything of this scale. You're watching aviation history in the making.

..is certainly true. And you could argue that the US, or the NTSB at least, has an interest because it is an American aeroplane involved.

 

[TenEightyOne]

This accident in unprecedented. There have been unsolved mysteries but never anything of this scale. You're watching aviation history in the making. Ukraine and Russia are a relative non-issue as far as the US is concerned. Nothing more than a local territorial conflict.

I second that. The obvious parallel is AF447... but in that case the ACARS system (I can't remember if the Airbus version is called the same thing) had transmitted to Toulouse as normal right up until the aircraft's impact with the sea.

In this case there is nothing except a suspicion that human foul play may be involved. These facts alone make it newsworthy. The unknown fate of the passengers adds what editors used to call "human interest". Ut's worth noting that, for bite-size news at least, passenger numbers swing the story more towards "statistic" than "tragedy".

 

[Kitten]

The black box detector supposedly has a radius of 1 mile, if that is truly its limit they really need to be right over the top of it.
I don't think it will ever be found, I mean they are still sending ships to pick up sea rubbish...

Maybe the Black Box Beacon got knocked off of Impact if it crashed into the ocean. Doesn't the Black Box only survive for 30Days?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Maybe the Black Box Beacon got knocked off of Impact if it crashed into the ocean. Doesn't the Black Box only survive for 30Days?

Yes, the ELT in the FDR and CVR will last for about 30 days. About 20% of all ELTs that survive the initial incident fail for other reasons... and they have a limited range. The mount point is in the top of the fuselage just where the point of the tailplane starts. Very hard to lose that bit without shredding the rest of the plane first, so the ELT would be in a debris field in that case.

Some ELTs do eject but the 777 doesn't (afaik) have an operational version of this system.

 

[Dotini]

CNN just released a GIANT clue in an interview between Wolf Blitzer and Kit Darby, a retired UA pilot and aviation consultant.

Wolf revealed that Malaysian Airlines had changed the last cockpit radio transmission from "All right, good night" to "Good night, Malaysia three-seven-zero", and refused to provide transcripts.

Darby then said that there were reports of further radio transmissions on an emergency channel!!

The implications of this are enormous. For instance, it raises the possibility that Captain Shah or whomever flying the 777 was negotiating with Kuala Lumpur over the fate the plane and passengers, and that KL turned them down.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

CNN just released a GIANT clue in an interview between Wolf Blitzer and Kit Darby, a retired UA pilot and aviation consultant.

Wolf revealed that Malaysian Airlines had changed the last cockpit radio transmission from "All right, good night" to "Good night, Malaysia three-seven-zero", and refused to provide transcripts.

Darby then said that there were reports of further radio transmissions on an emergency channel!!

The implications of this are enormous. For instance, it raises the possibility that Captain Shah or whomever flying the 777 was negotiating with Kuala Lumpur over the fate the plane and passengers, and that KL turned them down.

Can you post up the video if possible? Should be able to from the CNN website, it'd be easier if you did this since you just saw it. Also thanks for information, I'm interested all over again and more irritated if this is true.

 

[Kitten]

So if I read that properly. Suicide?

 

[Touring Mars]

And people are wondering why the relatives of the passengers are getting angry...

... seriously, how can they come out now and say that the final words from the plane were completely different and expect us to believe that information is not being withheld?

 

[Dotini]

So if I read that properly. Suicide?

It could mean whole lot more that what MA has revealed, which could be largely a pack of lies!!

It could mean suicide, or possibly even intentional downing.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

So if I read that properly. Suicide?

It doesn't sound like suicide only, it could be or it could be a hijacking whoever was flying it and KL decided to ignore this as is being suggested by @Dotini information from CNN. *puts back on his it could be a hijacking hat*

 

[Kitten]

The only way to know the truth is in the Black Box.. Which is probably gone forever.

 

[Dotini]

Can you post up the video if possible? Should be able to from the CNN website, it'd be easier if you did this since you just saw it. Also thanks for information, I'm interested all over again and more irritated if this is true.

I posted even before the interview was complete. Just yet, I could not find it. Will keep trying.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

The only way to know the truth is in the Black Box.. Which is probably gone forever.

I hope not but realistically they only have a handful of days to find it. The fact they can't pick of a ping and now this possible revelation makes me feel as I did earlier that the plane could potentially still be one piece but that's quite limited.

The suicide angle makes sense though from the information we have on Shah and what events he went to witness prior to flying the plane.

 

[Keef]

That's not strictly true when the US is rushing to the negotiation table and because of the Budapest agreement but point taken because this:



..is certainly true. And you could argue that the US, or the NTSB at least, has an interest because it is an American aeroplane involved.

Definitely. Boeing was a first party to the investigation - anybody directly involved in the accident is involved from the beginning and is required to share information with investigators, but not necessarily the public.

I second that. The obvious parallel is AF447... but in that case the ACARS system (I can't remember if the Airbus version is called the same thing) had transmitted to Toulouse as normal right up until the aircraft's impact with the sea.

ACARS is an industry standard and refers to the entire system including airplane and ground-based components. The ACARS may operate though different computer or FMS systems, whatever is equipped.

Darby then said that there were reports of further radio transmissions on an emergency channel!!

We usually call it Guard frequency in the States, 121.5.

 

[TenEightyOne]

ACARS is an industry standard and refers to the entire system including airplane and ground-based components. The ACARS may operate though different computer or FMS systems, whatever is equipped

Indeed it is... like a nerd I just looked it up, the reference I'd seen was to the ATSU, one of the things that comprises is management of ACARS. On AF447 this system did indeed continue transmitting until the aircraft's destruction.

 

[Barra333]

I hope not but realistically they only have a handful of days to find it. The fact they can't pick of a ping and now this possible revelation makes me feel as I did earlier that the plane could potentially still be one piece but that's quite limited.

The suicide angle makes sense though from the information we have on Shah and what events he went to witness prior to flying the plane.

I have seen a couple of reports saying that the black box battery is certified for 30 days, and in practice up to 45. The problem is that if they find any debris now, they have to back trace the currents and wind to an impact point, probably several hundred km away. Then, they have to find the ping 5km below the surface.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I have seen a couple of reports saying that the black box battery is certified for 30 days, and in practice up to 45. The problem is that if they find any debris now, they have to back trace the currents and wind to an impact point, probably several hundred km away. Then, they have to find the ping 5km below the surface.

I already know that, the point is they still only have a handful of days. All the major news agencies have made it almost like a game to countdown the time that battery goes out. Also I know what they would have to do to trace it but even so they could still pick up a ping if it wasn't too deep without having to trace the epicenter of the accident.

 

[Dennisch]

CNN just released a GIANT clue in an interview between Wolf Blitzer and Kit Darby, a retired UA pilot and aviation consultant.

Wolf revealed that Malaysian Airlines had changed the last cockpit radio transmission from "All right, good night" to "Good night, Malaysia three-seven-zero", and refused to provide transcripts.

Darby then said that there were reports of further radio transmissions on an emergency channel!!

The implications of this are enormous. For instance, it raises the possibility that Captain Shah or whomever flying the 777 was negotiating with Kuala Lumpur over the fate the plane and passengers, and that KL turned them down.

This certainly fits the whole situation. I wonder how China will react if this is true.

 

[JMR450]

This certainly fits the whole situation. I wonder how China will react if this is true.

I am not sure it is. I have scoured the web and no article or link confirming this story idea. Waiting for a confirmed link from @Dotini

 

[Dotini]

I am not sure it is. I have scoured the web and no article or link confirming this story idea. Waiting for a confirmed link from @Dotini

I just got back from a walk from Ballard to Puget Sound. Searching, I found no posted interview* with Blitzer and Darby, though there are Twitter references to it, as well as prior interviews between Blitzer and Darby. Darby appears well-credentialed. I will keep looking. In any case, the latest sudden-change-of-story from MH is now widely known: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26825184#

The credibility of everything MH has said from beginning to end is now lowered.

*The interview was during Wolf Blitzer's daily late morning hour. The guy, who looks kind of like Dudley Do-Right, just blurted it out in response to Wolf's big revelation, almost like he had to one-up him. Wolf did not pick up on it, and moved on. If a newsman's guest interviewee makes a spontaneous, unexpected bombshell which is crazy, offensive or "out-of-school", I doubt CNN will hurry to make it available.

@Dennisch

The Chinese are understandably not amused. I would describe their mood as somewhere between that of a wet hen and a boiled owl.

 

[JMR450]

I just got back from a walk from Ballard to Puget Sound. Searching, I found no posted interview with Blitzer and Darby, though there are Twitter references to it, as well as prior interviews between Blitzer and Darby. Darby appears well-credentialed. I will keep looking. In any case, the latest sudden-change-of-story from MH is now widely known: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26825184#

The credibility of everything MH has said from beginning to end is now lowered.

@Dennisch

The Chinese are understandably not amused. I would describe their mood as somewhere between that of a wet hen and a boiled owl.

It certainly adds another layer to the investigative farce that is the search for MH370. But it is a massive stretch from an error in a transcript to insinuating they botched a hostage takers request.

If however, what CNN is reporting is legit and Darby can prove the validity of his claim, it would be a game changer. I am just not quick to trust what we are being fed by CNN. It could be more rampant speculation which is what their coverage has survived on since the incident happened.

 

[Dotini]

I am just not quick to trust what we are being fed by CNN. It could be more rampant speculation which is what their coverage has survived on since the incident happened.

The difference between Wolf Blitzer and a carnival barker not much more than polish and circumstances. I admit I may have been duped by their blandishments, bias and maybe even censorship, deception and propaganda lies.