Michael Schumacher badly hurt in ski accident

[F1GTR]

I don't think it's disgusting. I think it's an over-reaction to the conflicting reports that first arose after the accident. Nothing sinister.

Make page -> get thousands of likes -> sell to a marketing company for a pretty penny. Happens to many pages on Facebook, you like a page since it amuses/amused you, then several months down the line it pops up on the news feed trying to sell you something.

 

[Swagger897]

Aaaaaannnd I just figured out he will be 46 on the 3rd.... That either is really sad, pretty much sucks, or the chance to be optimistic with loved ones..

 

[Blitz24]

Aaaaaannnd I just figured out he will be 46 on the 3rd.... That either is really sad, pretty much sucks, or the chance to be optimistic with loved ones..

45. He was born 1/3/69. A shame he will likely not be awake for his 45th.

 

[Swagger897]

45. He was born 1/3/69. A shame he will likely not be awake for his 45th.

Correct... Damn fingers, I mean keyboard, or no, it's not me, it's the power company

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Schumacher's doctors have cancelled a press conference, as they continue to list his condition as critical, but stable.

This is pretty much what we have to look forward to: no more press conferences, and fewer and fewer updates as time goes by. Not unless something dramatic happens.

 

[kikie]

Schumacher's doctors have cancelled a press conference, as they continue to list his condition as critical, but stable.

This is pretty much what we have to look forward to: no more press conferences, and fewer and fewer updates as time goes by. Not unless something dramatic happens.

Or something good.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

If Schumacher made a sudden and full recovery, I'd say that would be pretty dramatic.

 

[kikie]

Is "dramatic" not a negative thing?

 

[HKS racer]

Except that you're not a doctor. And if you were, you would have treated according to Schumacher's symptoms. You would not have jumped to conclusions based on secondary evidence. A broken ski helmet proves nothing, because they - like any helmet - are designed to break in the event to an impact. That's how they protect you: by absorbing and redirecting the energy of the impact away from your head.

That's exactly how arrogant reckless doctors act while they playing being Gods with the other's people life.
It's called "leadership delusion".

 

[prisonermonkeys]

And you're assuming that you would be blessed with some additional insight that would allow you to accurately predict Schumacher's injuries based on evidence that you did not have. The only way to diagnose a bleed into the cranial cavity is with a CT scan. The only way to authorise such a procedure would be through manually testing Schumacher's neurological functions.

You, instead, claim you would immediately assume the worst based on secondary evidence, with no further testing to diagnose the problem, assuming that you could somehow magically predict his condition and that you and you alone would somehow be able to keep a cool head in the midst of a crisis. And you have the nerve to accuse trained professionals of having a God complex simply because they are in a position of authority.

Thank heavens you aren't actually a doctor.

 

[GT5Power]

That last line was a tiny bit rude, don't you think?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

No, because if he was really a doctor, he'd probably wind up killing patients with that attitude. If he sent every single patient with a broken helmet to a neurosurgery unit because of their broken helmets and not their symptoms, then the only thing he would achieve is a backlog of patients queuing for a CT scan when most of them would not need it - so when someone who actually needed it came along, they would be forced to wait since their doctor just prioritised every single case as needing an immediate CT scan. And in a case like Schumacher's, the patient would likely die waiting.

So, no. It wasn't rude. HKS Racer wrongly assumed that he could predict injuries that are impossible to see based on evidence that could not prove the presence of that injury in the first place, and that he could somehow do a better job than Schumacher's doctors without actually carrying out a single diagnostic test.

 

[Swagger897]

1. Chill down a little bit. 0.0000045% of us on GTPlanet and I am forced to assume including (as you never said) that you are neither a doctor. It's fine and all to provide a bit of info, but all you seem to do is invigorate people who just have input to say and express opinions. He is right as that is something that I've read about with many officers in times of stress and high failure percentages. A person in a senior position will attempt to solve the entire scenario at hand rather than to use delegation with others. Normally occurs with people who have depression or early stages.

2. Info to put in this thread that is actually worth something.... The lady who came out for sky news or whatever her name was (started with a K) has also said that doctors won't give out his condition until a few weeks or so, as they are going to keep him in the coma so he will heal the wound and incisions. That was said from the BBC.

HKS Racer wrongly assumed that he could predict injuries that are impossible to see based on evidence that could not prove the presence of that injury in the first place, and that he could somehow do a better job than Schumacher's doctors without actually carrying out a single diagnostic test.

That's exactly how arrogant reckless doctors act while they playing being Gods with the other's people life.
It's called "leadership delusion".

No where does he state that, but only as what has been listed above. So just calm down, as mostly everyone wants the best for and nothing else in this thread...

 

[Bo]

Does anybody else think cancelling a press conference sounds bad in a way?

 

[kikie]

Does anybody else think cancelling a press conference sounds bad in a way?

No, absolutely not. No news worth mentioning (because his condition remains the same) = no press conference. The doctors have other things to do than holding press conferences.

 

[Bo]

Yes, but cancelling. If there was nothing to report they would have just said "we're not holding a conference today". Cancelling sounds like something was going to be said, but then the situation changed.

 

[Blitz24]

Yes, but cancelling. If there was nothing to report they would have just said "we're not holding a conference today". Cancelling sounds like something was going to be said, but then the situation changed.

They both have the same meaning...

 

[kikie]

I don't see any problem in cancelling a press conference.

I just read on a Belgian newspaper website that his condition stays the same. And as long as nothing changes, they are not going to give any further information.

 

[Bo]

They don't in my eyes, cancelling sounds like what they were planning to say something which then became incorrect. I'm probably reading too far into it though.

 

[Swagger897]

They don't in my eyes, cancelling sounds like what they were planning to say something which then became incorrect. I'm probably reading too far into it though.

It could be a multitude of things. It could've been that family said don't, or something has changed with/out notice. Could be good, could be bad. But most likely I assume almost everything will be good from now on based on what I've read.

 

[kikie]

Be patient. If his condition improves or worsens, they will inform the press.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

That last line was a tiny bit rude, don't you think?

Considering the users attitude on several post HKS that is, I don't think it's rude especially since HKS is equally rude and misinformed on most of what he post.

 

[niky]

The whole point is that this:

The only thing I can say is if I was the doctor as soon as I realized how the helmet was broken I wouldn't have any doubt on adopting the highest possible measures ASAP.

Combined with this:

That's exactly how arrogant reckless doctors act while they playing being Gods with the other's people life.
It's called "leadership delusion".

Shows a completely reckless misunderstanding of the practice of medicine. I'm not a doctor myself, but coming from a family of doctors and working for a hospital, I can tell you that moving a patient around the country without stabilizing and diagnosing their condition first is a homicidally reckless course of action. Especially in the case of possible brain injury.

PM is right... helmets are designed to break. A friend recently got into a head-on collision with another biker (who was counterflowing up a one-way exit ramp around a blind curve) and his helmet was completely trashed. He lived without any lasting brain injury or the need for any operations.

In this case, taking Schumacher to the closest available hospital for diagnostics and to stabilize his condition takes precedence over sending him straight to a specialist who may be further away. If Schumacher had died en route to a hospital that wasn't the closest one equipped for emergency services, the first responders would have been charged with negligence, and rightly so.

Stabilize the patient first, get him to the closest OR/ER possible... then worry about the rest. Doing it any other way is just plain wrong.

 

[ukfan758]

What's really sad is even if Schumacher recovers well, he still has a slight chance of dying from complications due to the accident. Maria de Villota died from a heart attack caused from her head injuries from the testing accident. Traumatic brain injuries can trigger blood vessel damage in the brain which can lead to a stroke (although the removed blood clots earlier, they can still form in later reformation of the vessels). Other complications include Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease which can end up killing someone due to their progression. It is very unfortunate that this happened, get well Michael!

 

[kikie]

I think that he is going to survive. But I also think that he will have brain damage and he won't be the same. His frontal lobe is bleeding the most:

http://www.neuroskills.com/brain-injury/frontal-lobes.php

Also his occipital lobe is bruised severaly and is bleeding. The occipital lobe is partially responsible for visual processing.

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/brains/definitions/def-occlobe

 

[prisonermonkeys]

They don't in my eyes, cancelling sounds like what they were planning to say something which then became incorrect. I'm probably reading too far into it though.

I'd say you are reading far too much into things. If they had cancelled it because of bad news, we'd know of it by now.

 

[HKS racer]

People the discussion went way too far from my inital point based on what I've heard tuesday on Rai1.

On Rai they said rescue team came with elicopter 8 minutes after the incident, which is fast enough but they didn't realize his condition properly and wasted time before bringing him to Hospital. Seems like they wasted at least 2 hours.
That's why the French judiciary has opened an investigation.
Speculations says this delay was due to not wanting to put a bad light on the center of Grenoble.

Highilighted the point of my post. Some people think it's rubbish, I don't because since I live in a touristic area I very well know what tour operators can do in order to avoid bad advertising.

 

[Swagger897]

People the discussion went way too far from my inital point based on what I've heard tuesday on Rai1.

Highilighted the point of my post. Some people think it's rubbish, I don't because since I live in a touristic area I very well know what tour operators can do in order to avoid bad advertising.

This is very true. A friend of mine was swimming on the shores of North Carolina on a fairly well populated beach that recieves a lot of tourists specifically in the summer. She was in about three feet of water and was bitten on the leg by a shark. Nothing too bad but enough to rip her calf off from the top, but still attached to the actual bone. She went to the hospital and was treated, however, it was not written down as a shark bite but rather an accident from pollution in the water. The looked into it a bit more and found countless people complaining for the beach to put warning signs, stating they had been bitten or attacked, or just even thrashed by sharks.

If that's not a total load of crap by both doctors, legal agents and townspeople, then I don't know what is, but it is quite the shame. The area at the ski resort will probably be given a new rating, or even cut off to the public to avoid mishaps to keep tourists rolling in. In the mean time, it should be noted that what happened to him will change a lot of things, due to how public and noteworthy he is. Multiple situations as such occur quite often, maybe not as high of severity, but enough to be placed in a critical state of condition. Things like this normally bring change to areas as such. A similar incidence of importance can be related to the aircraft crash at San-Francisco, where new regulations were made for pilots as to hours allowed by the crew in consecutive time periods. Here, we could see resorts or attractions to have more observation on slopes or whatever means necessary .

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Some people think it's rubbish, I don't because since I live in a touristic area I very well know what tour operators can do in order to avoid bad advertising.

So you think that the owners of the ski resort somehow persuaded the paramedics, doctors and hospitals to enter into a conspiracy to delay Schumacher from getting life-saving treatment straight away so that they could avoid the bad press that would come from his fall? And you have formulated this conspiracy based on your magical diagnostic powers that would allow you to correctly determine Schumacher's condition based on a broken ski helmet, thereby skipping the need to carry out any diagnostic procedures?

I have this mental picture of the Scooby-Doo cast bursting into an emergency room and loudly announcing "Stop! This man has a subdural haematoma and needs to go straight into surgery!", at which point the gang proceed to tell us how they discovered that Jean-Henri, the seemingly-amicable tour operator had invested tens of thousands of dollars in a brand-new ski run because he was losing business to a bigger ski resort on the next mountain over. In his desperation to stay solvent, he bribed Francois - the sleazy mayor - to approve the permits for an unsafe run. "And you nearly got away with, didn't you?" the gang ask. "But there was one thing you weren't counting on - Michael Schumacher. He's a seven-time Formula One World Champion. He would never go skiing without a helmet. You knew that if the gendarme investigated, your scheme would fall apart. So you convinced the hospital to hold Schumacher for as long as possible, giving you enough time to find the helmet and hide it in the sinister castle on the hill. But how to keep people from getting too close? Why, the unholy wailing, of course. But it's not just any wailing - it's Jacques Villeneuve's album! We looked into it, and we found that album only ever sold thirty-two copies, all of which were purchased by the artist himself. Which means that the only way Jean-Henri could have that album is if he is none other than Jacques Villeneuve himself!" This is followed by Villeneuve's confession, where he admits that he fell on hard times after his album was a critical and commercial failure, and so he did a deal with Muammar Qaddafi's son to start a racing team funded by Libyan oil, but he was forced into hiding when Qaddafi's regime collapsed and became a ski tour operator.

 

[Swagger897]

So you think that the owners of the ski resort somehow persuaded the paramedics, doctors and hospitals to enter into a conspiracy to delay Schumacher from getting life-saving treatment straight away so that they could avoid the bad press that would come from his fall? And you have formulated this conspiracy based on your magical diagnostic powers that would allow you to correctly determine Schumacher's condition based on a broken ski helmet, thereby skipping the need to carry out any diagnostic procedures?

I have this mental picture of the Scooby-Doo cast bursting into an emergency room and loudly announcing "Stop! This man has a subdural haematoma and needs to go straight into surgery!", at which point the gang proceed to tell us how they discovered that Jean-Henri, the seemingly-amicable tour operator had invested tens of thousands of dollars in a brand-new ski run because he was losing business to a bigger ski resort on the next mountain over. In his desperation to stay solvent, he bribed Francois - the sleazy mayor - to approve the permits for an unsafe run. "And you nearly got away with, didn't you?" the gang ask. "But there was one thing you weren't counting on - Michael Schumacher. He's a seven-time Formula One World Champion. He would never go skiing without a helmet. You knew that if the gendarme investigated, your scheme would fall apart. So you convinced the hospital to hold Schumacher for as long as possible, giving you enough time to find the helmet and hide it in the sinister castle on the hill. But how to keep people from getting too close? Why, the unholy wailing, of course. But it's not just any wailing - it's Jacques Villeneuve's album! We looked into it, and we found that album only ever sold thirty-two copies, all of which were purchased by the artist himself. Which means that the only way Jean-Henri could have that album is if he is none other than Jacques Villeneuve himself!" This is followed by Villeneuve's confession, where he admits that he fell on hard times after his album was a critical and commercial failure, and so he did a deal with Muammar Qaddafi's son to start a racing team funded by Libyan oil, but he was forced into hiding when Qaddafi's regime collapsed and became a ski tour operator.

Would you just stop. Why dont you take the bickering somewhere out, and leave out names of those who who have died andmentionables as well. This thread was of good spirits until you took it out of hand with a reply towards myself about wondering what happened and of what time. You thought I conspired that there was a 2 hour delay for just cause to protect the namesake but you are ooh so wrong.